Tuesday January 27, 2009, 11:53 am
What a surprise, Palestinians attacking Israel in breach of a ceasefire!

Tuesday January 27, 2009, 1:15 pm
Hamas couldn't wait 5 minutes to resume the killing and when Israel retaliates, which it must as force is the only thing these people understand, the usual collection of bleeding hearts will be out condemning Israel's aggression.

Tuesday January 27, 2009, 1:36 pm
I agree with Gillian, I'm --not-- surprised at all. Though I wish they'd stop and lay low for awhile so that Israel doesn't have any excuse to reconsider the timing of their next massacre.

Tuesday January 27, 2009, 4:33 pm
Noted and thank you Cal

Tuesday January 27, 2009, 5:52 pm
Following link is about the horrible Israeli crimes in Gaza:

http://najadh.blogspot.com/

Tuesday January 27, 2009, 7:37 pm
Do those who immediately blame Hamas have any real knowledge or is this the usual crap...Hamas offered a year truce..asking very reasonably for the borders to open for supplies..I question they would mess up..but I wouldn't put it past mossad..if any of you can be bothered read this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/4339797/Hamas-offers-Israel-a-one-year-truce-in-Gaza.html

Tuesday January 27, 2009, 9:40 pm
I've heard a rumour that the bomb that killed an Israeli soldier and wounded 3 others on the Israeli side of the border was the work of a friend of a distant relative of Bing Crosby.
There's also another rumour that Mossad was implicated in the assassination of Abraham Lincoln but there's no definitive proof.

Wednesday January 28, 2009, 12:01 am
"force is the only thing these people understand"
- What a load of racist rubbish!!! Besides which, the facts are radically different: Hamas and the rest of the world agree to a 2-state solution - and only Israel and the USA are against it.

"What a surprise, Palestinians attacking Israel in breach of a ceasefire!"

- First of all, the ceasefire agreed on between Israel and Hamas (Palestine's elected government) was breached on November 4, 2008 by an ATTACK BY ISRAEL'S MILITARY AGAINST PALESTINE, that killed 6 Palestinian people, many weeks before it was due to expire.

- Secondly, the most recent ceasefire was not an agreement between Israel and Hamas. It was 2 unilateral ceasefires. Please learn the facts before you try to claim things.

- Thirdly, Israel has been continuing its war against the people of Palestine, despite its claim to have promised a ceasefire. Remember, a blockade is an ACT OF WAR - and Israel is still blockading Palestine's Gaza Srtip... and a military occupation is an act of war - and Israel is still occupying Palestine's West Bank.

No occupying power has any "right to defend" - because they are the AGGRESSOR. When the nazis conquered and occupied Europe, the nazis had no "right to defend" against the resistance. The same applies in Palestine, and any other occupied nation.

When Israel stops its military terrorism, war crimes and other oppression against the people of Palestine, and when Israel agrees to the 2-state solution, including the right for the millions of Palestinian refugees to return, then there will be a lasting peace.

When the USA stops supporting Israel (e.g. ends the annual $3 billion military aid to Israel), then Israel will be forced to end its aggressive, expansionist and genocidal policies.

Wednesday January 28, 2009, 12:12 am
If Israel stops its blockade of Gaza and its military occupation of the West Bank, then its 500,000 settlers on stolen land in the West Bank will have to go back to Israel. And those actions will go a long way to ensuring peace.

But until Israel does that, then Israel's blockade and occupation against the people of Palestine will still be continuing, and so people of Palestine have the right to fight to break out of that blockade, and the right to fight to end that occupation. International law, you know?

Wednesday January 28, 2009, 1:35 am
Simon, "stolen land" is beneath you as a comment, because you know that a greater percentage of Palestinian refugees in 1948 left their homes voluntarily, having been told by Arab leaders that they should go for safety's sake and would return after an Arab victory in Israel's War of Independence. The Arab propaganda that Israel forced all Palestinians off their land through intimidation is just one of the larger myths that can be easily exploded when you look at the facts and read the first-person interviews with those who left, like I have and like Simon has.
You quote international law well enough, so I know that you conveniently leave out these facts that you know--for shame!

Ah, independence seems to have an illusory ring for Israel, but not the Arabs, right Simon.
Defending sovereignty and safety is also part of international law for all nations and Israel is a nation, like it or not.Palestinians have the right to expect peaceful lives too, so I don't back the blockade of Gaza, except for the fact that I would love some of you holding differing views to help figure out how to lift the blockade of goods that the Palestinian people need like food an medicine, while allowing missile parts and weapons to be stopped and excluded from the mix of things coming into Gaza. That's really hard to police. It would be a welcome relief if the anti-Israel lobby here at CAre2 would contribute to that topic instead of taking a rather mundane report like this and using it as a forum for their Rejectionist (i.e) one-sided) anti-Israel agenda..

Wednesday January 28, 2009, 4:23 am
" Cal Mendelsohn " the myth you talk about is what the zionist radicals and fanatics claim that Palestine is their " promised land " .. Promised by whom exactly ?? your claims that the Palestinians left their lands "voluntarily" is just as ridiculous as your logic!! you can get back and re-write history as you like, but the truth of reality will always remain as bright as the sun no matter how many cloud you like to place beneath ... !!

Wednesday January 28, 2009, 4:35 am
AYMAN, YYOU CAN BUY THE MYTHS THAT THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE TAUGHT YOU OR YOU CAN LEARN THE TRUTH. THE MOTIVATIONS OF THOSE WHO LEFT WERE EXTREMELY VARIED. SOME LEFT OUT OF CONCERN FOR THEIR, A PERCENTAGE WERE COERCED OUT BY LARGE ARAB LANDOWNERS AND BY PALESTINIAN JEWS WHO WANTED TO SEIZE AND SELL THE LAND FOR PROFIT. OTHERS LEFT FOR EXACTLY THE SAME REASON I CITED EARLIER. FOR SURE. YOU'RE SO QUICK TO GRAB AT THE EASIEST EXPLANATION, NO MATTER IF ITS TRUTH IS UNIVERSALLY SPEEWED OUT, WHEN ITS IN FACT,MOSTLY NONSENSE EXCEPT IN A FEW POINTED CASES LIKE THE INCIDENT AT DEIR YASSIN.

Wednesday January 28, 2009, 4:59 am
BTW Ayman, in case you think I'm fabricating this, please read this NY Times Article--

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DEED7143FF934A35754C0A96E948260
The Editorial Notebook; Why the Palestinians Left

I never said that Israel wa the promised land...not ever...seems like you might be more fanatical than I am.

I am fanatical for a two-state solution to the Mideast conflict, are you????

Wednesday January 28, 2009, 7:51 am
" Cal Mendelsohn " ... there are over six million Palestinians who live as refugees all around the world .. they never sold their lands .. they never fore sake their right to return .. and there are over 20 UN resolution that support their right to return .. the massacres the zionist gangs committed murdering over 100,000 Palestinian during the period 1947-1949 will never be erased by claims made by you or any zionist ..!! Palestine belongs to Palestinians ... giving the right to the few to take over the land, by killing its rightful owners, destroying their homes, burning down their villages and then claim that they sold out is just as disgusting as it can be ... !!

and Cal Mendelsohn I do not get my historical views from NY times or fox News or any media sources owned by zionists .. I get it first hand living the horrors that the coward israeli regime enjoy inflicting upon defenseless innocent people ever since the establishment of their terrorist radical regime in the heart of our region !!!

Wednesday January 28, 2009, 11:59 am
The following link is a blog about the horrible war crimes committed in Gaza:

http://najadh.blogspot.com/

Wednesday January 28, 2009, 1:08 pm
You're very special Ayman, for sure, but your sources don't add up. The New York Times has no axe to grind with anyone, and calling them and their coverage Zionist would make your fanaticism even more special to behold,even for you! Your Palestinian refugees are not all the innocent victims that Arab propaganda would portray them as. Therre were atrocities against Jewish communitiies also during the late '40's in Palestine.

Thursday January 29, 2009, 3:29 am
First let us get this straight, I surely don't need "you" telling me how special I am ..and I am no here to win special popularity contest on "who gets whose approval" ..but you on the other hand like to pretend that you are actually defending the side of the good people in the this conflict ... you like to believe that it is alright for the zionist terrorist regime in israel to occupy Palestine and claim it their own .. it is okay to oppress, starve, murder hundreds of thousands of Innocent people, it is okay to displace millions from their lands, burn their homes and destroy their villages down to dust send then claim they never existed .. it is okay in your view because what ... because of what Jews suffered during WWII ??? we feel pitty for them and because of this pitty it okay for them to surround more than 1.5 million Palestinian and separate them in the Gatos of Gaza ..Starve them , deprive them from all means of living behind high walls .. And if they dare complain .. Bomb them with F16, run them over with tanks, bring down their schools, the hospitals, the mosques, the universities.... do whatever you want, even bomb the UN facilities, kill journalists, shoot nurses and doctors and aim at ambulance cars, use phosphorus bombs .. it is okay because YOU decided to sympathize with them !!

mean while people like you Cal Mendelsohn actually believe that such murderers have the decency to expect more sympathy from the free people all around the world ... I get to tell you this Cal Mendelsohn : after watching the horrible crimes that this criminal regime of israel committed against people of Gaza lately ... I can tell you that when it comes to winning the hearts ..this is one war your beloved state of israel definitely lost ... big time !!!

Thursday January 29, 2009, 1:51 pm
Ayman, I assume that you are talking about the Arabs & Iranians dealing with the Jewish communities who used to live in places like Iran & Iraq. After all, Saddam Hussein started his rule by hanging 13 Jews picked at random. Jews were forced out of most of the Middle East & I would like you to point a country where Jews are allowed to live apart from Israel.

Israel has some 2 million Arabs living there with the same rights as any other religion. Where Hamas has taken over in the land given to them by Israel, they have immediately started killing Christians and driving their families out. In fact, most Arab countries destroy the bible if they find it.

As for whether or not the Palestinians should live in Israel, according to International Law, they have no claim to it as they rejected it in 1948. Ther was no interest by the Palestinians in having land in Israel until after the 6 Day War in 1967 when Israel had, yet again, destroyed the Arab forces which had gathered to destroy them. That was when the terrorists realised that they wouldn't be victorious in war then they would claim land 19 years on!

The surrounding Arab Nations will not have the Palestinians because they don't want them. If you want the Palestinians to have land, why not ask Jordan to give back the land illegally taken which amounted to over 90% of the land which was to have shared. No, only Israeli land will do and there is so little of it.

As for the welfare of the Gazans/Palestinians, they would be a lot better off without a terrorist organisation, Hamas, living in their midst with their bomb factories and rocket launchers. If they were not there then Israel would not attack Hamas with innocent bystanders being hurt. Hamas also use these innocent bystanders, many of them children, as human shields. Hamas admits that they do this!

Of course you will not admit to any of this or call it lies. However, may I direct you to the Hamas website that says that they will not stop attacking Israel or recognise it. Sounds to me just like they want peace!

Thursday January 29, 2009, 1:55 pm
Ayman, by the way, I hope that you don't feel too contaminated using an Israeli invention to put your hatred of them on this site! After all, Israelis invented the processor that you use.....

Thursday January 29, 2009, 3:39 pm
Thanks Gillian, but I don't think Ayman is open to all of the truth out there. and by the way,Ayman, that's what does make you special. I don't care if you don't care about that. It's important to understand that both sides bear some responsibility for what's gone on...there are no innocents in this, not any save the children and old people caught up in the fighting. I don't believe that Gaza should be blockaded but we must find a way to keep weapons out and bring food and medicine in for the people.Neither side is the chosen people, but both need peace and I can't stand people who cant see the fault of their own side even while supporting them (which is really fine).

Friday January 30, 2009, 6:47 am
@ Gillian
I am going to have to reply to all your claims one by one, and thus will have to apologies to those who might feel bored and sick of all this on going conversation.
1) You said and I quote ” Ayman, I assume that you are talking about the Arabs & Iranians dealing with the Jewish communities who used to live in places like Iran & Iraq. After all, Saddam Hussein started his rule by hanging 13 Jews picked at random. Jews were forced out of most of the Middle East & I would like you to point a country where Jews are allowed to live apart from Israel.
Israel has some 2 million Arabs living there with the same rights as any other religion. Where Hamas has taken over in the land given to them by Israel, they have immediately started killing Christians and driving their families out. In fact, most Arab countries destroy the bible if they find it.”
The idea of victimizing the Jewish nation through out history is just out dated, and I believe not only me but the entire world is sick and tired reading about it , not because we deny it but because this whole idea is just been used and abused to emotionally blackmail the entire world for the mistakes committed by few against jews. Zionists and those who support Israel tell us we should look to the future and stop looking into the pain of the past, while at the same you continue to bring about things that happened centuries ago just to justify the very wrong and unlawful existence of Israel on other people land. And let me ask you Is the pain and agony Israel now imposing upon the Palestinians for over 60 years any less than that brought upon Jews by the Natzi in only 4 years??
Your false claims that Arabs destroy the bible whenever they find it as ridiculous and baseless as it can be .. Have you ever been to Egypt or Lebanon or Dubai.. or is it that you love to judge Islam through the vision of the radicals in Afghanistan and Pakistan or the extremists in Saudi Arabia?? Unlike Judaism and Christianity that do not recognize Islam nor recognize Prophet Mohamed, Muslims do recognize Christianity and Judaism and Muslims do believe in Mosses and Jesus .. so lets not turn this into religious debate because I assure you that will definitely lose it .. After all It was Jews who denied and conspired to crucify and kill Jesus ..!!
2) You said and I quote: “ As for whether or not the Palestinians should live in Israel, according to International Law, they have no claim to it as they rejected it in 1948”
Who can reject his own country?? What Arabs and Palestinians rejected back in 1949 was the illegal and unlawful deceleration of the so called Israel state in Palestine .. the entire Arab region at that time were under imperialistic occupation if you read history !!! the same imperialistic occupation which gave the Jews the green light to immigrate to Palestine in from all over Europe and provided them with weapons and helped them occupy the Raba lands and then used their powers in the UN to declare the establishment of the Zionist entity in Palestine fulfilling Sir Belfour’s promise to the zionists back in 1918 to establish a home land for them in Palestine !!

History does not lie .. but clearly you posses such ability Gillian !!

3) You say “The surrounding Arab Nations will not have the Palestinians because they don't want them. If you want the Palestinians to have land, why not ask Jordan to give back the land illegally taken which amounted to over 90% of the land which was to have shared. No, only Israeli land will do and there is so little of it.

As for the welfare of the Gazans/Palestinians, they would be a lot better off without a terrorist organisation, Hamas, living in their midst with their bomb factories and rocket launchers. If they were not there then Israel would not attack Hamas with innocent bystanders being hurt. Hamas also use these innocent bystanders, many of them children, as human shields. Hamas admits that they do this!”

The Palestinians would not have any other country as their own country and fore sake their own lands in Palestine after all isn’t that what Jews do best ?? and what do you mean by “Arabs will not take them” .. why don’t you take off the Jews give them “your” land and solve this problem for everyone??
As for Hamas you call them terrorists and I call them Heros and freedom fighters .. the real terrorists are those who intentionally kill children and women and the real cowards are those who fight kids by tanks, and fight women by F16 Jet planes .. the real terrorist are those who bomb schools, Hospitals, Universities and ambulance cars .. the real terrorist are those who occupy other people lands , destroy homes and burn green fields.

And finally Gillian the real terrorists are those who find it in their heart to support a state that is built upon the skulls and blood of fellow human beings and justify it just because they think they are different !!

Saturday January 26, 2013, 9:37 am
For every innocent life taken God will raise a million more in his place. I pray that the real aggressors destroy themselves from within.

Thursday April 25, 2013, 12:47 pm
It is clear the a 2 state will not work. That is the facts.