Tuesday March 17, 2009, 10:41 am
Soothsayers, not scientists. What nonsense these creeps put out.

"Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT, perhaps the most distinguished climatologist in the world, the message of this gathering was that the scare over global warming has been deliberately stoked up for political reasons and has long since parted company with proper scientific evidence.

Nothing has more acutely demonstrated this than the reliance of the IPCC on computer models to predict what is going to happen to global temperatures over the next 100 years. On these predictions, that temperatures are likely to rise by up to 5.3C, all their other predictions and recommendations depend, yet nearly 10 years into the 21st century it is already painfully clear that the computer forecasts are going hopelessly astray. Far from rising with CO2, as the models are programmed to predict they should, the satellite-measured temperature curve has flattened out and then dropped. If the present trend were to continue, the world in 2100 would not in fact be hotter but 1.1C cooler than the 1979-1998 average.

Yet it is on this fundamental inability of the computer models to predict what has already happened that all else hangs. For two days in New York we heard distinguished experts, such as Professor Syun-Ichi Akasofu, former director of the International Arctic Research Center, Dr Willie Soon of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and Professor Paul Reiter of the Pasteur Institute, authoritatively (and often wittily) tear apart one piece of the scare orthodoxy after another.

Sea levels are not shooting up but only continuing their modest 3mm a year rise over the past 200 years. The vast Antarctic ice-sheet is not melting, except in one tiny corner, the Antarctic Peninsula. Tropical hurricane activity, far from increasing, is at its lowest level for 30 years. The best correlation for temperature fluctuations is not CO2 but the magnetic activity of the sun. (For an admirable summary of proceedings by the Australian paleoclimatologist Professor Bob Carter, Google "Heartland" and "Quadrant").
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/4990704/Nobody-listens-to-the-real-climate-change-experts.html

Tuesday March 17, 2009, 3:24 pm
People who wear blindfolds will be as affected by the changes in the climate as those who realise that changes are happening and need to be dealt with.

Global warming is happening. Some of it may be due to sunspots, some of it may be due to normal changes due to ongoing changes in climate. However, a large part of global warming is totally down to man and his pollution.

Wednesday March 18, 2009, 3:52 am
Kenneth the EXACT same thing could be said for the man-made warmists too.

Scientists on both side believe the earth has been warming. However the fact that the earth has since reversed or at least halted the warming trend in the last several years - which of course may not continue - is in direct conflict with the man-made warmist computer models. This means the models are flawed.
Of course since large increases in CO2 cannot by itself cause the large temperature increases forecast by the mm warmists, their models rely on the slight warming directly caused by CO2 to cause a large positive feedback of warming by water vapor which is the main greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. That is where the models are called into question because some reputable climate scientists' observations are seeing data that is telling them that the feedback is actually negative. Still other reputable scientists like Lindzen believe that the small amount of warming seen is well within normal historical climate variations and it is irresponsible to blame it on either CO2 or solar activity.

In truth of course neither side has all the answers. But many of us believe that "Ponzi" schemes like cap and trade are going to have such little effect on CO2 concentrations worldwide BUT such big negative economic effects on people - especially the poorer ones - that it is a false course that we should not go down.

Wednesday March 18, 2009, 4:55 am
To hear Judy talk, you'd think not ONE, SINGLE, SOLITARY SCIENTIST ANYWHERE OR ANYPLACE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET EVER, could've been right in what they were saying about global warming and that they were all misled, puppets, or had some ulterior motive. Remarkable, paranoid, and wrong.

Wednesday March 18, 2009, 8:20 am
Oh, Kenneth, How you do go on. Nobody said the planet wasn't warming back then...ten years ago, when it still was.

It was what was causing it that was the question.

One is not "paranoid" when one is being subjected to a scam ....and can prove it.

You keep forgetting that just like the Nazis of old...the Climate nazis write things down and leave paper trails.

Consider these statements made by leading proponents of the man-made global warming theory

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?"
- Maurice Strong,

"My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it's full complement of species, returning throughout the world."
-Dave Foreman,
co-founder of Earth First!

"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill."
- Club of Rome,
The First Global Revolution
founder of the UN Environment Programme

"A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation."
- Paul Ehrlich,
Professor of Population Studies

Wednesday March 18, 2009, 4:29 pm
Couldn`t agree more with Maurice Strong and Dave Foreman. We DO have a BIG population problem . You don`t have to be brilliant in order to realize that most environmental issues are caused by overpopulaton.An industrialized civilization wouldn`t exist or be necessary if we weren`t so many, the same can be said of mass production , natural resources overexploitation .....and the list goes on . Part of the solution to the global warming problem is controling population growth.If we don`t bring about the collapse of industrialized civilization ourselves it`s very likely nature will do it ..... thanks to the effects of global warming ...which in fact is man made .... which means ... oh ..... we are already bringing about the collapse of industrialized civilization.....hmm funny . I think I`m starting to like the warmist-Climate nazi label because when it comes to saving the planet ....better safe than sorry.

Wednesday March 18, 2009, 4:47 pm
Do we realy want to wait around to find out who's right?

Wednesday March 18, 2009, 7:08 pm
As the Maldive Government issue critical notice of inundation the deniers still claim it is a scam...easy to see the mad folk for those born with sight.

Wednesday March 18, 2009, 8:07 pm
In a July 2007 interview, Professor Lance Endersbee AO, a former dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monash University, told ABC Australia that global warming and climate change are in fact caused by cycles in the sun's electro-magnetic radiation. The world has been warming naturally, he said, since about the year 1700. Politicians are hyping up the idea that global warming is a manmade problem, and scientists are taking a narrow view on it, conforming to the mainstream. All of the research, he says, is presented by: the government.

So where did all the global warming hype come from? It was presented in the media (your fear-mongering-loving media) as having a stamp of an impressive authority, because the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) concluded there is an issue of manmade global climate change. But none of the 2500 member scientists (many of who actually are not scientists) are asked to agree with the theory that the IPCC released on their behalf. Even those who were against the theory and resigned were still listed as being among the 2500 contributing "top scientists." If you're interested in hearing a panel of expert scientists talk about that, have at it: they discuss it in "The Great Global Warming Swindle," a British film that was highly criticized and falsely discredited, of course, by the media.

According to the free-market environment organization PERC (Political Economy Research Center) in Bozeman, Mont., a majority of climate scientists have never endorsed the notion that human activity is causing global warming or that warming is a crisis that requires immediate urgent action.

In the journal Science, co-written by University of Alberta glaciologist Dr. Martin Sharp, a new study shows that Greenland was much warmer than previously thought during the last Ice Age. By testing the remains of trees, plants, and insects trapped beneath a sheet of ice - between 450,000 and 900,000 years old - they were able to estimate the temperatures in the area at the time those creatures were there.

"It provides further evidence," Dr. Sharp wrote in an e-mail to CTV (Canadian TV), "that natural processes can and do produce climate change, and that this can be large enough to produce effects similar to those predicted to result from anthropogenic [caused by humans] warming.

"You can get all the money in the world if the research you're doing is related to climate change...if you say climate change isn't caused by man, it's caused by the sun - it doesn't get any money at all."

There's another lovely article about it - and, of course, these are all outside of the U.S. media, because our media is poisoned by their love for inducing fear and being bribed by politicians. The UK's Telegraph published an article entitled, "Global Warming: It's the Sun that's to blame." They were reporting on a study by Swiss and German scientists who concluded that the increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes.

"Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: 'The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years.'"

And then there's Al Gore. Al Gore, who won an Academy Award for his film "An Inconvenient Truth" on global warming; Al Gore, who drives along with a gas-guzzling, CO2-emitting entourage from city to city to talk about it; Al Gore, who invented the internet and is now telling you that global warming is all our fault. But if you ask him - even he's not sure.

"Poison ivy is caused by global warming." (It's very amusing, in fact, that if you Google "poison ivy" and "global warming," you actually come up with these.)

The media and their token celebrities are running around like chickens without their heads, crying "No one is taking this global warming thing seriously enough!

Take a look at some of the prior fear-mongering schemes of yore.

The Avian (Bird) Flu scare : The World Health Organization predicted a pandemic that would kill 7.4 million people.

Y2K . 'Nuff said.

Mad Cow Disease . Remember the mania over Mad Cow Disease, or BSE (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy)?

West Nile Virus . 1080 deaths worldwide, according to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Total. Ever.

El Nino. 21,000 people in 27 different countries according to the World Meteorological Organization; equaling 777 people per country of those countries that were affected. Not to downplay those that died, but uh, the death toll in Iraq exceeds 800 per month. Not to mention that every storm that hit the coast in 1998 was called "El Nino."

E-coli outbreak . Don't eat spinach. Or chives. Or lettuce. Or anything green, in fact. And Taco Bell? Oh shit, you ate there? You're screwed. However, after all the hoopla of the "e-coli outbreak" in September of 2006, only 276 consumer "illnesses" (i.e. - stomach bugs) were attributed to e-Coli, and zero deaths were reported.

SARs . 774 "probable" deaths worldwide, says the World Heath Organization. They stopped reporting on it in December of 2003.

I am not a scientist, nor do I claim to be, nor do I want to be, since most of what they talk about bores the hell out of me. All I know is that when I smell a rat, it's not because of CO2 emissions.

Don't get me wrong: I am always for supporting a cause. A real cause. And I don't ignore the environment - I pick up litter and trash where I see it, I write about the horror of plastic grocery bags and how to keep the world clean, and I give lawn chemical companies a piece of my mind. But this is a GIANT HOAX. We have no control over the sun, people.

Wednesday March 18, 2009, 10:30 pm
"One is not "paranoid" when one is being subjected to a scam ....and can prove it.

You keep forgetting that just like the Nazis of old...the Climate nazis write things down and leave paper trails.


Consider these statements made by leading proponents of the man-made global warming theory"

And then Judy doesn't reveal the sources of the quotes. Why should she be believed?

No one disputes that natural processes can change climate over a long period of time. That is obvious. What is disputed is that human activity is causing the climate change now, and not just natural processes.

Wednesday March 18, 2009, 10:59 pm
The sources of the quotes like Strong and the Club of Rome are listed...do you have to be spoon fed ?

Google them...check it out yourself.

The dispute was settled last year. CO2 can't change climate.
"2008 was the year when any pretence that there was a "scientific consensus" in favour of man-made global warming collapsed. At long last, as in the Manhattan Declaration last March, hundreds of proper scientists, including many of the world's most eminent climate experts, have been rallying to pour scorn on that "consensus" which was only a politically engineered artefact, based on ever more blatantly manipulated data and computer models programmed to produce no more than convenient fictions."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3982101/2008-was-the-year-man-made-global-warming-was-disproved.html

Thursday March 19, 2009, 5:21 am
Maurice Strong can say anything he wants. Not necessarily true nor necessarily means it is happening or will happen. ANYONE CAN SAY ANYTHING. No law against it. Doesn't make it true or that it will happen or is happening (regarding his statement that industrialized nations should be collapsed'.
Carol W., obviously a number of scientists don't ascribe to the manmade climate change idea and a number do. So? And then it becomes a contest of one scientist (or anyone else) saying HE's the 'genuine' scientist, HE's correct, HE's not paid or politically motivated, the OTHER guy is, on and on. So what?
But the idea that you believe various other things to be hoaxes doesn't mean global warming therefore is just one more hoax. You sound like one more conspiracy theorist, who 'knows the truth' and 'here's why' and everyone is money motivated or politically motivated. Get real! Are you speaking from your own level? Many people have integrity, many people are essentially ethical for the most part, do not sell their souls all over the place simply because of money or politics. But no conspiracy theory could exist with that as a basis. It would fall down immediately. It DEPENDS on the opposite.

Thursday March 19, 2009, 11:10 am
Oh, poor Kenny boy can't deal with it. Maurice Strong is the NWO guy who started the whole "global warming' operation .
" Senior Advisor to the United Nations and World Bank - and organizer of the Rio Earth Summit - offers candid insight into where today's environmental movement is heading - and whether the planet is on course for disaster

"I have worked with him for many years and have always valued his advice, enjoyed his friendship and admired his commitment to international cooperation and to multilateralism's main instrument, the United Nations. I have no doubt that readers will find in this book the same qualities that have made Maurice Strong a unique and important force in our lives; they may also, not least, derive some hope for our shared future."

- - Kori-Annan, Secretary-General of the United Nations

Maurice Strong is one of the most influential men in the world. He is a senior advisor to the Secretary-General of the United Nations and former senior advisor to the President of the World Bank. When media mogul Ted Turner wanted to give the United Nations $1,000,000,000 to work on finding solutions for international conflict and environmental decline, he first consulted Strong. In the past thirty years, no single person has done more for the environment movement - and provided a platform for change - than Strong."
http://www.iaed.org/books/strong.html

Friday March 20, 2009, 1:10 am
Sure, if you ASSUME that the science behind global warming is bogus (it's not) and that efforts to fight or prevent global warming is all about making rich people richer (it's not) then the claim that the whole thing is just a scam is justified.

Since both claims are unfounded and libelous, I reject them.

"The dispute was settled last year. CO2 can't change climate."

Another outright lie. Do you EVER read actual science reports, Judy, instead of spoon-feeding yourself denialist propaganda? Christopher Booker is an IDIOT! Note that he doesn't mention the cause of the global temperature drop, that the Sun had gone quiet, partly (not completely) offsetting the warming caused over the past few decades by CO2 increases. That makes him a liar by omission. And he lies by COMMISSION when he asserts that global temperatures spent "several years flatlining". No, temperatures actually peaked again in 2005 and 2007. Weather variations hardly ever flatline. And weather variations are NOT climate either!

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1980/to:2009/plot/rss/from:1980/to:2009/trend

Look at all those steep drops along the graph, including the latest one that Booker refers to. But the long term trend has ALWAYS been upward! It was just as stupid to deny global warming in 1985, 1988, 1993, 1996, and 2000. Once the brief cool snaps ended, warming then continued. Only when a long term trend of cooling has been established (when that green trend line has leveled out) can we say that global warming is over. Not until then.

Friday March 20, 2009, 9:57 am
It is NOT ASSUMPTION...it is fact. there is NOTHING to uphold the "man-made CO2 causes warming/climate change" hypothesis anymore. It's blown wide open by the cooling of the last 10 years. It was unpredicted by the climate models done by Hansen, the Met Office and the IPCC. The temperatures went down as CO2 continued to go up. Denial thy name is Warmist.

"This correlation was the best of the factors we looked at (Total Solar Irradiance, CO2, PDO/AMO) with 10 year smoothing for all parameters including temperatures (which increases the correlation but would not impact the relative importance of the factors). Notice how especially in the last decade how the correlation of US temperatures with CO2 has actually turned negative for the US."
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