Monday June 29, 2009, 1:31 pm
So?
Zelaya's not there and I'm sure the provisional president chosen by Congress hasn't moved in yet.

Monday June 29, 2009, 2:08 pm
The right wing imperialists are on the move without regards for the people:

The current constitution, written in 1982 during the height of the Reagan Administration’s dirty war in Central America, was designed to ensure those in power, both economic and political, would retain it with little interference from the people. Zelaya, elected in November 2005 on the platform of Honduras’ Liberal Party, had proposed the opinion poll be conducted to determine if a majority of citizens agreed that constitutional reform was necessary. He was backed by a majority of labor unions and social movements in the country. If the poll had occured, depending on the results, a referendum would have been conducted during the upcoming elections in November to vote on convening a constitutional assembly. Nevertheless, today’s scheduled poll was not binding by law.

In fact, several days before the poll was to occur, Honduras’ Supreme Court ruled it illegal, upon request by the Congress, both of which are led by anti-Zelaya majorities and members of the ultra-conservative party, National Party of Honduras (PNH). This move led to massive protests in the streets in favor of President Zelaya.

Again..this move led to massive protest in the streets in favor of the democratic elected President Zelaya. Close the insidious School of the Americas and let Honduras have its democracy.

Monday June 29, 2009, 4:45 pm
Hi Robert K : ) Great to see you here : )

Monday June 29, 2009, 4:51 pm
Robert B, what is your point? Is it that you "don't care about the will of the people of Honduras"? Is it that you "don't support Zelaya's constitutional referendum to make a more democratic and egalitarian constitution than the old one, which entrenches the power of the oligarchy and maintains their power to exploit and impoverish the masses"? Is it that you "think that the people don't have a right to rise up in defence of their democracy and their chosen president, Zelaya, against coups"???

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 8:48 am
No, its that I have a very low tolerance for Communists and communist sympathizers responsible for 100 million death in the last century. Now is no time to allow the metastatis of this cancer again. Abajo Hugo. Abajo Mel.

The consensus of the other 2 branches of government is sufficient as long the provisional president follows thru with free and fair elections.

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 1:47 pm
Robert B., clearly you don't understand what the word "communism" means. It means "a decentralised system of democratic communes in cooperation with each other, where the communes are the government, and there is no overarching state structure". The USSR, China (1949-1980s), etc., were clearly not communist. The regimes that ruled them used the term "communist" to describe their ruling political parties, but that was all. They used the term "communist" falsely. And of course capitalist sources of information, such as the capitalist media and capitalist politicians, were happy to go along with that lie: because it made people believe that the socialist and communist alternatives to capitalism were oppressive systems.

As for the "100 million deaths last century" statistic you gave, it is bogus. In fact, during the so-called "communist" regimes of the USSR and China, 30-70 million (I forget the exact statistic, but it was no more than 70 million) people died as a result of famines, oppression, violence, etc.. But in capitalist India, 100 million people died from famines, oppression, violence, etc.. CAPITALIST INDIA is where the 100 million statistic comes from.

Socialism is BEAUTIFUL. If you take any 2 comparable countries, one more capitalist, and one more socialist, you will see how much better socialism is! Democratisiing the economy, sharing wealth and power, being compassionate, and showing solidarity for fellow human beings is not a "cancer". Please don't say such rubbish, Robert B.!!!

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 2:05 pm
E.g. compare 2 multicultural first world countries: the first world's more capitalist USA with the first world's more socialist Australia! We have free health care here in Australia, as well as a decent welfare system, and a regulation on capitalism that has prevented recession here, unlike the USA. There is 10x the murder rate in the USA

And compare life in the Third World capitalist Nigeria, Philippines, Peru, Mexico, Indonesia, Brazil, India, etc., with life in Third World mostly socialist Cuba or half-socialist Venezuela! Those capitalist countries have millions of people malnourished, homeless, jobless, without health care, unable to read or write... whereas Cuba and Venezuela have food for all people, free quality medical care for all people, and every adult can read and write, due to literacy programs, plus university and adult technical college education is FREE.

Plus in Venezuela, there is great economic growth and diversified development compared with other countries in Latin America, and compared with other oil-producing Third World countries, and the highest minimum wages in Latin America, plus the lowest unemployment rate in Latin America!!!

And in Cuba, where socialism has progressed further, everyone has a home - unlike all first world or Third World capitalist countries!!! And all people have a guaranteed income (even for unemployed people - such welfare for unemployed people a rare thing for a Third World country), Cuba treats AIDS sufferers very well, and Cuba has a very low AIDS rate in the middle of the high-AIDS Caribbean, there is more racial equality and better health statistics and infant survival statistics than the USA... and on top of that, little resource-poor, Third World Cuba sends more overseas aid volunteers to other countries than any other country!!!

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 2:10 pm
Robert B. wrote:

"The consensus of the other 2 branches of government is sufficient as long the provisional president follows thru with free and fair elections."

I wrote a letter, in reply to a letter that is similar to what you said, Robert B.. Here is where my letter is:

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/letter/4563

I will paste the entire thing:

Let THE HONDURAN PEOPLE decide, Brian Thompson

June 29th 2009, by Simon Ashworth Wood
"Brian Thompson" wrote:

"Honduras
June 27th 2009, by Brian Thompson
In response to your article on coup rumbings: Have you not taken note of the fact that both congress and the Honduran supreme court have declared the referendum illegal? Referendums can be held under law, but they have to be approved by congress. I would hope that we can all agree that a referendum vote called unilaterally by a president is not beneficial to any country's democratic process. The blatant assault on the other Honduran powers of government by the executive branch is inexcusable: Just because you disagree with a congressional decision doesn't mean you are exempt from following it, that is Ronald Reagan logic. It's sad to see that the forces of the Left have succumbed to the very mentality they once despised."

- Well, I couldn't let "Brian Thompson's" steaming pile of misleading, elitist, capitalist, imperialist, fascist propaganda go unchallenged.

So, yeah, the unelected Honduran "supreme" court, and the rightwing bourgeois Honduran congress (both institutions of the entrenched bourgeois oligarchy which exploits and impoverishes the people of Honduras), "declared" it "illegal" for the people of Honduras to have a democratic say in the running of their own country and their own lives.

So what? What's new? The greedy aristocracy hoard their ill-gotten wealth and power, while the working class struggle to survive on crumbs, living in slums... and when the working class want a fair share, the greedy aristocracy's official representatives say "that is not allowed!"? Since when was some pronouncement by that greedy exploiter class more important than the democratic will the people?

"I would hope that we can all agree that a referendum vote called unilaterally by a president is not beneficial to any country's democratic process," says "Brian Thompson".

Well, a REAL democratic process means that THE PEOPLE make the decisions... and when a constitution stands in the way of that democratic process, then THE PEOPLE, who are the ultimate authority in society, can make a new constitution that SUPPORTS the democratic process... and when a congress of an entrenched bourgeoisie tries to stop THE PEOPLE from making the decisions, then all of us who value democracy stand in solidarity with THE PEOPLE.

To give power to the people is not "an assault" on any institution that is worth a damn.

The forces of the left have always been on the side of the people, campaigning to share out wealth and power among the people. Nothing has changed. This is a beautiful thing - the beauty of true democracy, true socialism.

How long must the cowed, toiling and impoverished masses suffer overwork, disease and malnutrition before they are "allowed" to gain a standard of living fit for human beings, "allowed" to replace capitalist exploitation with diginity and equality, and "allowed" to take back the power over their own lives??? This democratic and socialist way is something much more beautiful than submissively obeying the letter of the greedy rich man's law!

All power to the people!!!

Bring back Zelaya, the people's chosen president!!!

No more of the oligarchy's self-serving lies!!!

Allow a constitutional referendum NOW!!!

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 3:09 pm
* The United Nations approved a measure today condemning the removal of President Manuel Zelaya from power in Honduras. The U.N.'s move comes on the heels of condemnations from the U.S., the E.U., and a variety of Latin American countries.

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 4:42 pm
So the UN decided to condemn and "demanded his “immediate and unconditional restoration” as president".

They'll get right on it, after the UN enforces its genocide indictment on Omar Bashir of Sudan, and after they deal forcefully with Mugabe of Zimbabwe and after they ... well you get the idea.

Get over it! New election in November. My advice, just try your best to elect another Hugo stooge. Send your contributions to ChavezHeartUsefulIdiots.Net.