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Patrick Martin on a Hostile Takeover of Zionism


World  (tags: world, government, middle-east, israel, religion )

Cal
- 58 days ago - theglobeandmail.com
The Globe and Mail's Middle East correspondent takes your questions on the transformation of Israel's ultra-Orthodox Jewish community
Comments

Sleeping Beauty (1)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 9:18 pm
Thank you Cal for the interesting article.
 

Bee Hive Lady (305)
Friday October 2, 2009, 6:08 am
To be Zionism equals brutality. Israel will never quit trying to steal the land and resources of others.
 

marie T. (40)
Friday October 2, 2009, 5:13 pm
Thank you Bee Hive L Well said
 

Beatrice B. (63)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 2:49 am
Thank you, Cal.
 

Frank Lornitzo (3)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 8:49 pm
The fanatics are all over the place these days. Over here the red white and blue we get hit with tea bags among 400 death threats to the President. A fanatic is someone who can't wait to have it done his (her) way.
 

Chaz Gaily Berlusconi (251)
Sunday October 4, 2009, 3:33 am
Oh sherbet does he want us to Twitter our comments to him...
 

Kimberly Lewis (14)
Sunday October 4, 2009, 6:06 pm
Zionism is the reestablishment of Jews in "Palestine". With Rome, Titus and Nero, the Jews were forced to Rome as Slaves. Then after Rome had scattered them all over Europe. Though trying to keep their heritage of practicing Judaism without being tortured, their children and spouses and other family members murdered. They were attacked by the catholic church, then by Germany and Russia. They just want to go home to the land they lived in before Rome. They don't want the Palestinians not have homes or take the land from them or even not to be Palestinians. They just want the right to exist as a people, a nation. Before they were scattered because the refused to worship Tiberius, Nero or Caligula as a God. They want to love God and serve mankind. Thats all.
 

Wild Cat (3)
Sunday October 4, 2009, 6:59 pm
Kimberly, very well said!
 

marie T. (40)
Monday October 5, 2009, 4:52 am
I hear you Kimberly but because there are so many of them it does not mean they can just take the land and resources of the Palestinians. It appears there is not room for them to just go home it all sounds reasonable the way you are putting it I am yet to speak to an Israeli who would agree with you so many British Jews are ashamed of what is going on over there so there is also unrest amongst yourselves. I think you are a good person if they all thought like you there would be PEACE lets hope the tide will turn one day and they will come round to your way of thinking I hope and pray this will happen.
 

Frank Lornitzo (3)
Monday October 5, 2009, 7:08 am
While it was never safe to be a Jew some of the hazards came from the early history even before Joseph took (us) into Egypt. They were the hazards connected with moving into someone else's territory. Now that was something happening periodically in different places with different tribes but the Jews, being uniquely the "people of the Book" were the first to write it down. Then with finding the benefits of focusing on a single "God" it unified the 12 tribes in purposes and identity. Judaism always had this dilemma of keeping identity while assimilation was the only way of surviving as happened with the Canaanites. Thus one cannot escape the historical fact that the ultra- orthodox could not continue without the political structure of modernism. That the Settlements now have become a tenet of orthodoxy because that is what we lived a long time ago would only make sense if the Serbs belong in Croatia where they used to be 600 years ago.
Does being a "practicing Jew" mean in the first place being practical?
 

Marilyn K. (9)
Monday October 5, 2009, 1:54 pm
All those who want Israel to give back their small piece of land should be prepared to give back Texas, New Mexico,California and Alaska to name a few states that the United States declared was ours and what about the land we took from England?.
 

Frank Lornitzo (3)
Monday October 5, 2009, 7:12 pm
I am not sure which small land the Marilyn K refers to; Gaza strip West Bank or the whoie territory within the
previously established boundaries of Israel. Bu the rules in the time of Texas and the Louisiana purchase were those of purchase and conquest that included driving out the Mexicans and native Americans.

II there remains any reason for having gone through World War II the U.S. having lost 600000 and globally 60000000 deaths and set up the United Nations it was for a new order in which there was to be no more encroachment or aggression crossing soneone's boundary. That is why I even supported the first Gulf war
reluctantly because Saddam's invasion no matter whether Kuwait was incompetent and corrupt.

We then went through that whole Cold War period of MAD to prevent the Soviets from even thinking about moving outside of what was established under the UN and the Soviets had much the same motivation about the US. Our fighters then gave up 40000 more in Korea on the issue of the boundary established by previous agreement.

I am looking for someone to convince me of the legality of the Setlements but more importantly of the justice.
Tell me if there is any justice in them or are we going to throw out justice because everryone seems to be so much out for their own skin and pet ideas.

Letting the black clothed sect who want to establish an antiquated theocracy prevail in the matter of the Settlements is to make the Middle east ungovernable. Maybe that is what some people want.

But if anybody still thinks government can exist without justice they should be remiitted to the insane asylum.



 
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