Saturday October 31, 2009, 12:19 am
What a complete and utter load of rubbish!!!

"Buckling under pressure from U.S. diplomats, negotiators for Zelaya, toppled in a June 28 coup, and the de facto leader Roberto Micheletti who replaced him, agreed to put an end to Central America's worst political turmoil in two decades."

That is a lie. If the U.S. government actually wanted to pressure the coup regime of Honduras, all it would have to do would be stop supporting the coup regime!!! The U.S. government aided the coup, by providing military equipment, such as guns for the coup-soldiers, and the plane that was used to transport the overthrown president Zelaya out of Honduras, and the U.S. government allowed the coup soldiers to use the U.S. military base for that: that is where the coup-soldiers took the kidnapped president Zelaya and took off in that plane from!!!

And the U.S. government continues the vast majority of its aid to Honduras and military cooperation with the coup-makers.

Also, U.S. government decisions are vital to the economy of Honduras and the wealth and power of the Honduras capitalist class, because most of Honduras's foreign trade is with the USA, and the Honduran economy is very linked to the U.S. economy, largely geared to producing products for the U.S. market, and importing much of what it doesn't produce from the USA. Plus much of the Honduran economy is owned by U.S.-based corporations. All of this means that the U.S. government could EASILY end the coup regime znd restore the people's democratically-elected president WITH FULL POWERS and JUSTICE FOR THE VICTIMS OF THE COUP, INCLUDING PROSECUTION OF ALL COUP-MAKERS AND ALL COUP REGIME CRIMES AGAINST THE PEOPLE overnight, but it did not do that. And the so called "U.S.-helped" deal merely restores Zeleyya to the presidency with a fraction of his democrtaic powers, and nothing done about the crimes of the coup-makers, such as the murders they carried out against protest leaders!!!

And you and the capitalist media expect us to believe that the U.S. government is "against" the coup? What a complete and utter load of rubbish!!!

Saturday October 31, 2009, 12:37 am
"The deal, a diplomatic victory for U.S. President Barack Obama, leaves it up to the Honduran Congress to decide whether Zelaya can be restored to serve the last few months of his term -- the question that caused earlier talks to stumble."

Yeah, sure. Obama did next to nothing to end the coup regime. This means that any victory is not Obama's. The small victory (very little because Obama's government is the main player, and still legally, militarily and economically supports the coup regime, despite the "against the coup" hype), is much more a victory of the people who actually DID something, such as:

(1) the huge numbers of people in Honduras who risked their lives on the streets confronting the oppression of the U.S.-supported coup regime's soldiers, and...

(2) Zelaya himself, who risked his life, and who, with the people in the Brasilian Embassy in Honduras, suffered many days of siege, screaming horns and teargas, etc., by the Honduras coup-forces. And...

(3) The dozens of governments around the world who legally recognised that the coup was a coup (unlike Obama's government, who didn't legally recognise it as a coup).

(4) The governments, such as the countries of A.L.B.A. (Antigua & Barbuda, Bolivia, Cuba, Dominica, Ecuador, Nicaragua, St Vincent & the Grenadines, and Venezuela) that ended their diplomatic and economic relations with HOnduras under the coup regime....

Saturday October 31, 2009, 1:29 am
""We've taken a first step," Zelaya said on Friday as negotiators put final signatures to the agreement, which will end months of isolation for the poor coffee-producing nation."

Rubbish! The U.S. trade with Honduras - most of Hondura's foreign trade - continued without any interruption by sea (though trade by land was halted by the people of the countries neighbouring Honduras). Most of Honduran foreign military, economic and political relations are with the USA, so Honduras was never isolated.

"Coffee-producing"? Do you forget the Canadian-owned mines in Honduras (which continue to pollute Honduras, and destroy the rivers and farms of many Honduran people), and the foreign-owned factories (e.g. clothing factories), which continue to exploit the workers in Honduras??? That is what you capitalists like, isn't it??? President Zelaya is very popular amongst the Honduran people, because he ended new contracts for mines, and he raised the minimum wages for everyone (including factory workers), plus he was promoting democratic elections and referendums to create a more egalitarian constitution for Honduras... and for these kinds of reasons, the capitalist class overthrew him in their U.S. government-supported coup.

Saturday October 31, 2009, 1:41 am
"Zelaya, a leftist logging magnate, was rousted at dawn by soldiers and flown to exile on a Supreme Court order, after he irked many in Honduras by cozying up to socialist Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and allegedly seeking support to allow presidential re-election, something he denies."

Another lie. IN THE REAL WORLD, only a small minority of rich and privileged Hondurans dislike President Zelaya. Most Hondurans are working class, and support Zelaya, because Zelaya is the first Honduran president who has done what they want (e.g. doubled the minimum wage, and promoting the first ever democrtaic creation of a consitution in Honduras, to replace the pro-rich constitution that was created by past military regimes)!!!

Saturday October 31, 2009, 1:43 am
Zeleya's popularity is why the people who hate the egalitarian president Zelaya needed a military coup to overthrow him!!!

Saturday October 31, 2009, 2:57 am
"As well as opening the door for Zelaya's return, the deal requires both sides to recognize the election result and transfers control of the army to the top electoral court."

The army is no longer controlled by the people of Honduras through their democratically-elected president, Zelaya... it is not controlled by the electoral court, which is dominated by the capitalist class people who made the military coup recently. Fascists!!!

Saturday October 31, 2009, 2:58 am
What military coup was there. The last I read it was their Courtthat stated he violated the constitution & was to be removed, The facts of only one term was not enough & he tried to change the constitution The miltary was ordered to take him to prison insead they sent him on a plane. Zalaya is a leftist hanging right in there with Chavez. Military coup, what a joke!

Saturday October 31, 2009, 2:58 am
oops, I meant to write: it is NOW controlled by the electoral court, which is dominated by the capitalist class people who made the military coup recently. Fascists!!!

Saturday October 31, 2009, 3:15 am
Jerry "hasn't paid attention to reality" Vassallo wrote:

"What military coup was there."

The one where the military kidnapped the democratically-elected and egalitarian President Zelaya, and imposed 4 months of military oppression, to enforce the will of the capitalist class of Honduras, against the will of the majority of the Honduran people.

Jerry Vassallo wrote: "The last I read it was their Courtthat stated he violated the constitution & was to be removed,"

So? That was (1) a decision made by the judges who enact the agenda of the capitalist class, to the detriment of the people of Honduras. And (2) it was a decision which was against the constitution of Honduras, and against democracy.

Jerry Vassallo wrote: "The facts of only one term was not enough & he tried to change the constitution"

(1) Yes, Zelaya was promoting the creation of a new constitution. Finally, after years of bourgeois military dictatorship (that oppressed, exploited and impoverished the people of Honduras), the people of Honduras have a small amount of democracy, and Zelaya was helping them to create a new, egalitarian constitution, to replace the old constitution (which was created by the military dictatroships and which still keeps most of the power in the hands of the capitalist class).

If you have a problem with making a new, egaliatarian and more democratic constitution, then you are a FASCIST.

(2) There is ZERO evidence that President Zelaya "tried to gain any more presidential terms". The claim that he did is a lie, spread by teh capitalist class who hate Zelaya's egalitarian and democratic reforms, which reduce their ability to exploit workers and the environment.

However, if the people of Honduras want to change the constitution of Honduras, so that they can elect Zelaya again, then THAT IS THEIR RIGHT AND THAT IS DEMOCRACY, AND NO COURT OR MILITARY FORCE HAS ANY RIGHT TO STOP THAT DEMOCRACY!!!

Jerry Vassallo wrote: "The miltary was ordered to take him to prison insead they sent him on a plane."

Zelaya is legally the democratically-elected commander of the military. He did not order them to kidnap him. That is illogical.

Jerry Vassallo wrote: "Zalaya is a leftist hanging right in there with Chavez."

Zelaya is less leftwing than Chavez, but, yes both are leftwing: i.e. both enact THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, BY SHARING OUT WEALTH AND POWER MORE EQUALLY. You have a problem with that??? You prefer rightwing capitalism, with its oppression, exploitation and impoverishment, instead???

Jerry Vassallo wrote: "Military coup, what a joke! "

The only joke is your poor understanding of reality.

Saturday October 31, 2009, 3:17 am
Fascists are not welcome in Care2.

Care2 is about caring, and about human rights. It is not about spreading fascist propaganda, to justify oppression, exploitation and impoverishment.

Saturday October 31, 2009, 1:38 pm
Well, I for one really don't know what transpired, but I got to say I like this ending. What a turn around of events.

It's very rare for a coup to turn out positive and bloodless in its instigation to its ending, but that is what happened here and clearly on a more humanitarian basis as loss of innocent life was virtually exempt.

So, whatever occurred, I can only hope that its happy-ending results could be cast into the other dark holes of our world...

Saturday October 31, 2009, 4:40 pm
Thanks Cal. Do you remember some joker posting a totally fallacious story about how the Brazilian Embassy, where Zelaya had taken refuge, was being surrounded by death squads, sharp shooters and snipers.
Not a jot of truth in it. Just a heap of propoganda from the extreme loony left.

Sunday November 1, 2009, 2:04 am
Time they got together and drank out of the same cup... better to celebrate with champagne than the drink bitter waters