Wednesday November 4, 2009, 3:38 am
Not a wise policy on their part, discouraging news again, Cal.

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 12:29 pm
I agree, they won't be heard if they don't show up

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 12:36 pm
Thanks Cal...

Personally I think they should be there instead of playing some stupid political game with other countries...

They are the ones that will lose!

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 4:56 pm
In a new development that is potentially devastating to the agenda to introduce a global carbon tax and a cap and trade system, Al Gore admits that the majority of global warming that occurred until 2001 was not primarily caused by CO2.

Before we get too excited, Gore is not backing away from his support for the theory of man-made climate change, but his concession that carbon dioxide only accounted for 40% of warming according to new studies could seriously harm efforts to tax CO2, that evil, life-giving gas that humans exhale and plants absorb.

“Gore acknowledged to Newsweek that the findings could complicate efforts to build a political consensus around the need to limit carbon emissions,” reports BB News.

Yesterday we reported on how Gore was set to become the first “carbon billionaire” on the back of vast profits from companies invested in the “green revolution” that the former vice-president has a hefty stake in.

We also highlighted how the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) has direct ties to both Al Gore and Maurice Strong, two figures intimately involved with a long standing movement to use the theory of man made global warming as a mechanism for profit and social engineering. Gore’s investment company, Generation Investment Management, which sells carbon offset opportunities, is the largest shareholder of CCX.

Gore stands to make windfall profits from his stake in carbon trading systems that would be used to manage the cap and trade system currently being readied for passage in the Senate, but his admission that CO2 is far less of a threat than global warming alarmists have been claiming could be a terminal blow for such a proposal.

As Andrew Bolt writes in today’s Australian Herald Sun, his flip-flopping “Suggests not only that was Gore wrong to claim the science was “settled”, but that the hugely expensive schemes to “stop” warming by slashing carbon dioxide emissions will be less than half as effective as claimed.”

(ARTICLE CONTINUES
http://www.prisonplanet.com/al-gore-admits-co2-does-not-cause-majority-of-global-warming.html

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 5:07 pm
Judy what has this to do with Africa??? I am so confused

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 5:54 pm
Didn't you read at least the title of the story Marilyn?

Supposedly Africa will be in worse shape because of the CO2 we produce...because CO2 has been lied about.
They said first it caused "global warming" and then when it wasn't warming anymore they called it "climate change',

No matter what they call it...they want more money from you.

Because we are supposed to feel guilty about everything we do that produces CO2 and pay Africa money.

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 6:46 pm
Not getting into this with you Judy, If you want to show how "Smart" you are, teach at a University on the subject.

I am worn out...frankly all of the classes I have taken and all of the news, articles I have read photos CNN, MSBN, etc. totally shows what is happeneding to our Earth. This is not denial, It is a FACT!!! Polar bears floating on a flak of ice, now that to me is just obscene!!

Get yourself into the books take a peek, and please act responsible, this is a total FACT, it is so upsetting that this is happening, and when you argue that is isn't is totally disturbing to me!

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 6:59 pm
Dissecting Prison Planet’s Nonsense on Climate Change
Read the full article here

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 9:11 pm
"Al Gore admits that the majority of global warming that occurred until 2001 was not primarily caused by CO2."

In what time frame? Since the 1970s? Or since the end of the Little Ice Age (from 1800 to now)?

"Yesterday we reported on how Gore was set to become the first “carbon billionaire” on the back of vast profits from companies invested in the “green revolution” that the former vice-president has a hefty stake in."

Gee, this is what capitalism does, Judy; make people rich who invest in successful businesses. Denounce that and you might as well hate anyone who invests to make themselves money, including those fossil fuel companies you defend.

"Supposedly Africa will be in worse shape because of the CO2 we produce...because CO2 has been lied about."

Please produce experimental data to prove it is not a greenhouse gas. Then we will beleive you.

"They said first it caused "global warming" and then when it wasn't warming anymore they called it "climate change'"

False. We use both terms all the time. What do you think the IPCC, founded in 1988, stands for? The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change! It was NEVER called the The Intergovernmental Panel on Global Warming.

"No matter what they call it...they want more money from you. Because we are supposed to feel guilty about everything we do that produces CO2 and pay Africa money."

That sounds racist, Judy. Africa is afflicted by a LOT of things stemming from European rape of that continent in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries, as well as other things like ultra-high HIV rates. Shame on you!

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 9:20 pm
I am so smiling right now I feel like David's photo with the hand on the head...Frankly I am in shock over this and am insulted that you would try to spill this junk out there to think that people would actually think they would believe you!

Nuts!

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 10:05 pm
TY Cal, Bee, Marylin and Dale! Good site, David! I didn't know it, TY!

Thursday November 5, 2009, 12:21 am
I live in South Africa and am witnessing first hand the effects of climate change. We have huge areas of South Africa already devastated by lack of water and more being declared emergency areas almost every other day. SA is the most advanced country in Africa and, elsewhere on the continent, people are starving, dehydrating and dying in their thousands. So, yes, we are cutting our own throats by not attending, but WHAT more can we do to direct attention to the desperate plight of millions of people? These third world countries have no chance of EVER being anything other than what they are today while their energies are directed towards survival and even that is becoming less and less likely with climate change worsening.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 12:34 am
some countries are suffering more than others for now from global warming africa should go there and make noise for their own country

Thursday November 5, 2009, 2:32 am
The 3rd world countries unfortunately dont want to listen and is not interested on nature and the planet at all. Sorry, but it is the truth. They have this relaxed attitude that USA and UK must come to their rescue. The want to sit backwards with open hands and DEMAND!!!!!! They breed very well though. I live in South Africa too and see the decline on a daily basis.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 3:53 am
Well they need to go and be heard thats for sure. Africas environment is slowly deterorating...and its truley a shame.


Big Gorilly Hgs

Thursday November 5, 2009, 6:12 am
Thanks Julie and Karin for your perspective from S. Africa as someone who lives there.
Myself living in N. America I have little clue as to what goes on with regard to people who actually live there.

It's not funny but ironic in a way. Third world countries have so little and I guess most of them want to have what the wealthy nations have---yet the wealthy nations are full of middle class materialistic mania and most lives are lived exclusively for money.

As far as Judy goes, she has the nerve to post things from PrisonPlanet.com as usual.
Which is about the most whacked out website there is on the net.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 6:49 am
Judy - where did you go? You make a personal attack and run? The only mistake Marilyn made was to give you the benefit of the doubt. Most of us have learned that chasing down your sources is to venture into the balderdash spewed by mining and (anything but green) unsustainable energy advocates. The science you refer to is usually biased and flawed or just plain cherry-picked and out of context. I'm sure most of us won't be wasting any more of our time trying to make sense out of your references. You have had a chance to give us some bona-fide and relevant information but you have failed to make an effective argument.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 8:49 am
Thanks Cal..great article..And thanks to those here who comment with truth and facts..and use real resources..
And know that this is a real problem..a very serious issue..

Noted..

Thursday November 5, 2009, 9:11 am
Kenneth I study on africa and its issues everyday doesnt mean you and I dont know what the hecks going on...LOL I also have good friends from Zim and Rwanda and they let me in on alot to. So You can be informed across the big pond. Ms. foot as I call her since she loves to attack my profile pic and my intelligence is a cut and run girl...copy pasty thats her MO folks.

Big Gorilly Hugs

Thursday November 5, 2009, 10:09 am
Thannxxx... I am from South Africa toooooooooo.... a wonderful country... almost a first world country.. that has derived its wealth from hard work and careful planning.. with black and white working together.. Kenneth I was in the US recently and was shocked at the poverty there and the people who are living below the bread line... so your judgment regarding South Africa is biased... America is a country that is very materialistic just like everyone else is... that is why they have found themselves in the mess that they have... so Getting back on track the west of SA is getting drier and the east they say is going to get wetter... Energy wastage needs to be addressed and cuts made wherever possible to help combat pollution and environmental damage..

Thursday November 5, 2009, 12:22 pm
JUDY PLEASE STOP SITTING ON YOUR BRAINS AND ACTUALLY READ THE SUBJECT AND STORY????

Thursday November 5, 2009, 1:10 pm
Chaz Gaily, of course theres way too much poverty in the US (and other wealthy nations). I don't have any 'bias' about S. Africa. I already said I don't know much about it. I assumed it was poor. It's not. So now I know (at least that much).
As for N. America the middle class IS maniacal about consumption and materialism and money. If you do not play the game you die slowly or quickly. As long as the huge middle class (which makes up most of the population) lives a lifestyle of overconsumption and a person is guaged by how much and type of THINGS they own, they're reticient about paying money for intangibles such as 'nature' or 'climate change' or 'the environment' IMO. You know, their SUV still drives fine and looks good despite all these things.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 1:17 pm
Kristen...I did.

We do not change weather or climate by what we burn for energy or what we eat....and if you weren't so brainwashed, you would know that.

The proof is CO2 is up and temperatures are down. the climate models that predicted warming were wrong.
there is no reason to tax energy or to trade "carbon credits" except to make Al Gore richer...and he is just one of the crooks looking to cash in on your ignorance.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/gore_clears_carbon_dioxide_of_most_blame/

Thursday November 5, 2009, 1:22 pm
Gore Not Interested In Solutions To Climate Change That Don’t Line His Pockets

Advisor proposed solution to CO2 emissions that would bypass need for carbon trading system that Gore owns, and was promptly told to shove it
Excerpt
"Al Gore has been on the defensive over his financial motives for pushing for a cap and trade system to reduce CO2 emissions, arguing that he is merely putting his money where his mouth is, however, a startling revelation in a recent Newsweek article proves that Gore is only interested in solutions to environmental problems that line his pockets.

For argument’s sake, let’s accept the highly contentious premise that the life-giving gas that humans exhale and plants absorb, carbon dioxide, is a dastardly evil threat to the planet, despite the fact that Al Gore himself admits CO2 is not the major driver of global warming.

If there was a solution to neutralize CO2 emissions that didn’t involve devastating the economy, taxing the citizens into oblivion, de-industrializing the west and giving government huge regulatory powers over our private lives, would Al Gore, Maurice Strong and the rest of the kingpins of the globalist environmental movement be interested?

You can bet your bottom dollar they’re not interested.

One of Gore’s global warming advisors, CEO Timothy LaSalle, told Gore’s team that CO2 emissions could be neutralized completely by clever use of agriculture and technology, without the need for a global carbon tax or the use of cap and trade systems that Gore, along with people like the Rothschilds, Maurice Strong and Barack Obama, have a huge financial stake in promoting."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/gore-not-interested-in-solutions-to-climate-change-that-dont-line-his-pockets.html

Thursday November 5, 2009, 1:51 pm
i quetion your teachings and study judy..... Ive no problem w/ gore i even owm an inconvinent truth. BUT,your version is tainted and shows you know very little on what this whole subject started...... I am not a mean person, just a learned person, i watch and read EVERYTHING and all channels I get..... it just takes a lil time to hear both sides judy.. please, it may awaken a few scary things in you subconcious......

Thursday November 5, 2009, 1:54 pm
I guess I should also say I went a baptist school..... but have my very own mind.....

Thursday November 5, 2009, 2:04 pm

Just to give you a FACT about South Africa. It has a tiny minority of rich and middle class people. The rest are DIRT POOR, living in shanty towns across the country. Moms, Dads and children forage for firewood every day - spending so-called productive 'western time' on simple survival. When you can't even cook your food, because of the struggle for basic necessities the word 'global warming' is meaningless.

What is wrong with this picture though?

Governments who do not put their foot down on indiscriminate pro-creation.
Children by the dozens, and these children destined to live below the starvation line.
And with the AIDS and TB epidemics in South Africa we have thousands upon thousands of households RUN BY CHILDREN!

When the South Easter does not blow - the Cape Doctor - the smog from the burning fires in the shanty towns layers the sky, completely obscuring the sun. People in the townships are choking in their own carbon emissions. TB is endemic.

The 'black' tribal custom of dozens of children goes back to the beginning of creation; A love of children and the belief that one's children will take care of one when debilitating old age creeps up. This could have worked in a completely tribal life - as South Africa is a land of plenty.

But South Africa is no longer a land of plenty. The rich cats at the top skimming off the misery of their own people (the financial rape of blacks by blacks) and the previous financial rape of blacks by whites is and has depleted the resources of our country.

I have a friend who works in the Water Dept. of Pretoria (the government capital of South Africa) and the stories of incompetence makes my jaw hit the floor. We cannot manage our water resources at all. The time for every house to have roof catchments leading to water tanks is long, long past. South Africa is running out of water - let alone climate change. Our electricity crisis is one other major screw up. Our ESKOM utility quasi government company has mismanaged the power requirements for years and years. They did not plan for the mass influx of rural people into the townships. They also gave massive amounts of low cost electricity to foreign companies that set up industrial plants here.

Our government is new to government - and people are not qualified for their posts - a stampede implementation of affirmative action has decimated the ranks of engineers and seasoned managers - the few who are still in South Africa now charge the government a fortune for consulting services, rightly so - and incompetent black consulting companies are scamming their way into government tenders via backdoors opened by the very government procurement departments. Everyone gets a cut.

South Africa has squandered billions upon billions of Rands on arms deals - arms we don't need, on soccer stadiums for the 2010 World Cup. The corruption is rife.

And you are all under the impression that South Africa is the flagship of Africa? Think again. We are only the 'rich' mess counter part of the 'poor' mess of African countries.

Africa is a basket case. We cannot contribute anything meaningful to a discussion on global warming until we get our population explosion under control. Ditto for correct usage of our water resources. Ditto for proper planning for our electrical needs.

I don't see a solution - not until the governments of Africa realise that over-population is the root cause of all the evil on this continent. We are consuming more than our earth can give us. Huge changes are needed; a cultural mind-swing is needed. One child families, stamp out corruption, bring back our engineers, move the current incumbents into positions of learnerships and bugger the ego of everyone concerned.

We have a continent to save!

Proudly South African - yet not quite so proud. And by the way - I'm not a racist - I was an anti-apartheid activist - but a bleeding heart does not save a nation, or my beloved country. FACTS, FACTS, FACTS only.

But who gives a damn for FACTS these days?

Thursday November 5, 2009, 4:01 pm
Wow, very eye-opening Eureka.
Is it a cultural thing there about having so many children, or religious, or social?
Here it's more of a 'the more you have, the more social assistance (welfare) you get'; or it's 'if I can afford it, why shouldn't I be able to have as many as I want'.

IMO the problem is IN human beings themselves, doesn't matter if they're rich, poor, white, black, where they live---there's a malady that causes people to take advantage of others, get greedy, only look out for oneself, live for today, party like it's your last day, harmful acts against others, corruption.....

It's disheartening to hear about the corruption there. But it can be anywhere. Fix the human.

You S. Africans are the best ones to give the rest of us an open, direct look as to what it's like there.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 8:58 pm
The fact is that people who don't understand anything about science are the most vulnerable to getting suckered in by propaganda, unfortunately they then spend time (not learning about science at all) cutting and pasting propaganda and lies.
The fact is that some people are overwhelmingly selfish and feel entitled to maintain their lifestyle of convenience and over-consumption at any cost to the future. They don't care about any one else, least of all future generations. They make all sorts of messes in their greedy and selfish pursuit of convenience and they insist on the right to continue the damage. So they look all over, high and low, for anyone and anything to cut and paste so they can justify their incredible selfishness and shallowness and total lack of concern for everyone else.

Unfortunately it is an undeniable fact that we're pumping tens of millions of TONS of carbon into the atmosphere every day. The huge primeval forests that used to process C2 into O2 have been cut down and replaced by dirty energy plants, asphalt, millions of humans, and coal mines. We have disrupted the carbon/O2 cycle and now that damage is coming home to roost.
Climate change is an incredibly complex scientific issue (also a cultural and economic issue) and it involves multiple scientific disciplines and a level of expertise in those that takes years to acquire. That's why some people paste propaganda about tree rings that has no relevance to the big picture. This takes expertise in physics (thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, mechanics, etc.),chemistry, biochemistry, botany, biology, meteorology, climatology and other atmospheric sciences, statistics, and geology, among others. The people pasting propaganda are experts in exactly NONE of those.
I am not an expert in all those disciplines. Still, there are some simply concepts that I can understand as the basis for what I see happening around me. We pump tens of Millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere every day and we have destroyed the carbon-recycling potential of the planet, so the carbon has no where to go and it builds up.
In at least 2 other comments, Judy has suggested that others should tie plastic bags over their heads and die. She has clearly shown that she recognizes that carbon can poison people, that it is lethal when it builds up (as in a plastic bag tied over a person's head, as she suggested). So there is no argument that it is building up and no argument that it is lethal.

Those of us who care have to keep working to pressure our leaders and politicians to ignore the selfish and short-sighted people who have no concern or care for anyone else and pressure them to do the right thing on climate change instead.

Anyway, most of us are not going to understand all the science involved and most of us have never reviewed the actual data (meaning the predominance of the data, not a cherry-picked micro-bit of it), but we can think about the alternatives and decide if we can really afford to ignore (or deny) the potential and already real damages of climate change. And here's a good example of someone thinking this through. It's worth your time- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ

Thursday November 5, 2009, 10:48 pm
"The proof is CO2 is up and temperatures are down. the climate models that predicted warming were wrong."

Judy has lied (by omission) again. Temperatures DID go up from the 1960s to 2005 due to increasing CO2 levels.....and only dropped since 2005 due to the Sun going quiet, which offset some of the greenhouse gas effects. Why does Judy assert the Sun going quiet when it suits her case, and then ignore it when it does not?

Thursday November 5, 2009, 11:39 pm
Judy actually quotes nothing but quasi science sites from the internet. Judy tracks global warming articles - and pours out the same nonsense from discredited bogus web sites. I'm sorry for this. You appear to be an intelligent and articulate person. Judy, scratch around a bit more - sift through the hype (not just the global warming fanatics, but also your anti-global fanatics).

And yes, people will make money off the misery and calamity of others, but that does not mean the misery and agony is not real, ditto for global warming.

Friday November 6, 2009, 6:32 am
Wow.....Well said JennyLynn!