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Arch-Conservative U.S. Christians Help Uganda 'Kill-the-Gays' Bill Stay Alive


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Cal
- 1504 days ago - alternet.org
Uganda's anti-gay bill, which espouses the death penalty for homosexual acts, still lives -- with the help of the U.S. religious right.



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Alejandra Vega (139)
Wednesday June 16, 2010, 7:42 pm
And they still call themselves Christians???
 

Mehdi H. (27)
Wednesday June 16, 2010, 8:09 pm
Noted. Thanks
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Wednesday June 16, 2010, 10:17 pm
These so called 'Christians' are a blight on humanity. How dare they even use the name 'Christianity' - totally lacking in compassion.
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:53 am
They would like to have the same law here. Hypocrites
 

Elsa Ferreira (40)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 6:28 am
Why ain't I surprised? These religious zealots have no shame! They are a virus.
 

Robert Champagne (0)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 6:44 am
There is nothing new in this post to me. So called Christians organizations have infiltrated groups of people all through history with an agenda of making them good God fearing people. This type of action combined with teaching children from birth one religion is nothing more than brainwashing. All religious organizations are cults and could not exist if children were free to choose. Teaching right from wrong and the golden rules are necessary for humans to interact with each other. However, anything beyond that is imprinting your beliefs into an unsuspecting host.
 

Johan Maltesson (161)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 6:58 am
So shameful! Jesus would hate to be associated with these so called "Christians"!
 

Janice C. (11)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 7:45 am
And you have proof of this allegation from where?
 

Janice C. (11)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 7:47 am
You know, you people condemn racism, however, you have no problem with bashing Christians. Kinda a double standard?
 

Tammy C. (23)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:54 am
homophobia is not racism, but yes i condemn both. i can't choose what color i am but i can choose to be a christian or not. the double standard is held by most christians, not all, but most. a death sentence for something that is not a choice is crazy. i'm very offended by this law and anyone that would support it!
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 10:50 am
Christians that want to kill people because they are Gay should be bashed.
 

dfsdsfa dfsdafs (0)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 11:22 am
They aren't Christians, they worship Satan!
 

Phillip I. (67)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 12:45 pm
What these "Christians" don't realize is that they are the 21st century version of the Pharisees - narrow minded literalists / fundamentalists who wanted to maintain their status quo of corruption and power - what the Bible would called whitewashed sepulchers - white and shiny on the outside, but full of vileness and corruption on the inside. If Christ were to return this very day, preaching His age-old message, they, these self righteous hypocrites would be the ones to crucify Him this time around.

Hey, you Bible-thumping zealot ass-holes, howz 'at go agin'?? "Many are called but few are chosen....?"
Guess who is meant in THAT reference.
 

Sharon Balloch (132)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 1:26 pm
Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” GEE WONDER WHO HE MEANT..
 

Sharon Balloch (132)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 1:28 pm
Oh I should have mentioned that it is them who say they did wonderful works in his name... Jesus says they did evil in his name...
 

Wayne W. (12)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 1:30 pm
Here's proof from the mouths of the so-called Christians who are advocating and agitating for genocide in Uganda. And in the United States.

"The bill was introduced several months after a visit by several American evangelicals, who spoke at a conference called the "Seminar on Exposing the Homosexual Agenda."

One of them was Scott Lively, a pastor from Springfield, MA, who believes that countries like Uganda can still protect themselves from what he sees as the scourge of the gay agenda.

"These are good Christians; better Christians than there are here in the states," says Lively. "They care about each other. And I think the reason they're pushing so hard on this law is that they don't want to see what happened to our country happen over there."

He told the conference's audience, made up of teachers, social workers, and politicians that "even though the majority of homosexuals are not oriented towards young people, there's a significant number who are. And when they see a child from a broken home, it's like they have a flashing neon sign over their head."

Lively, who is the president of Defend the Family, is also the author of a book called "The Pink Swastika", which argues that the Nazi Party was a homosexual movement."

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/anti-homosexuality-bill-uganda-global-uproar/story?id=10045436

Lively claims the Nazi Party was a homosexual movement even though the Nazis sent homosexuals as a group to extermination camps.

There's also this:

TOPEKA- Controversial evangelical leader Lou Engle arrived in Uganda from Kansas City last week. His trip coincides with a rally in support of a bill that suggests life imprisonment, and the death penalty in some cases, for homosexuals and prohibits the advocacy of gay rights.

Before departing for Uganda, Engle released a statement suggesting the timing of his trip and the rally were coincidence and he would not support the bill. However, on Sunday, standing on a stage before Uganda politicians he praised their "courage" and "righteousness" for supporting a bill that targets homosexuals with the death penalty.

In 2007 Sam Brownback (Republican Senator, Kansas) contacted Lou Engle and asked to live in his Washington DC condo. According to Engle, the two shared space in the condo for seven months.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/5/4/17136/35503

These so-called Christians are evil and genocidal, homophobic, racist and misogynist . They are of a mind with al Qaeda and the Taliban, wanting to run governments by extreme religiosity, santioning murdering a woman for being raped. They are often called Christian Reconstructionists, who subscribe to the demented rantings of R. J. Rushdoony. quote: "The British Centre for Science Education refers to him as “a man every bit as potentially murderous as Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot or anyone else you may want to name amongst the annals of evil.” Rushdoony taught that democracy is a thing of the devil, denied the Holocaust, thought that children should not be exposed to the "corrupting" influence of science and art, that Jews are agents of the devil, that dominion of the earth meant that women are property, like cattle., that slavery was a boon for slaves, that the Sermon on the Mount was an ethical guide for slaves only (slaves being anyone who is not a white male).

http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/05/01/r-j-rushdoony-reconstructionist-and-racist-bigot/

As this website says, American Christianity isn't Jesus' fault.

How could you defend those people?


 

Tom W. (24)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 4:00 pm
If you wish to know the mind of men, listen to their words.
These hate mongers should have their precious 501-C Tax exemptions negated under the hate crime laws.

We the people by our hard earned taxes are paying for all this hate rhetoric, hotel and travel expenses to preach absurd death sentences for human instinct which cannot and shouldn't be controlled.

Jerry Fawell, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, and others who through their ignorant bigotry incited others to queer bash and even kill those who just wanted or needed to be different from the rest.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 4:43 pm
So gays (only 5 to 30 percent of the population) have a right to state their views,
BUT NO ONE ELSE DOES?
It does sound a little like the nazi's.
Arguing over the right to donate blood?
your rights are more important than everyone elses health?
5 to 30 percent of the population, but there is a gay character on almost every TV show?
Would you really be happy if everyone was gay?
There really are two issues here.
Rights of people who are already gay
and do we want more people to become gay?
Yes for some it is a choice.
There are several famous people who have gone back and forth.
Some think It is a choice, but a choice not made by you, that it happens when a person is very young leading to concerns about gays adopting or teaching school..
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:51 pm
Noted , thanks !!
 

Phillip I. (67)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 7:28 pm
@ Be Kay:

1) We're not talking about stating views. We're talking about inciting to murder.
2) Was den Nazis betrifft, ich kenne mich ziemlich ausführlich in der deutschen Geschichte aus. You right-wing, nationalist fascists are so close to being Nazis that the distinctions are negligible.
3) While it wouldn't make me happy if everyone were gay, I do, sometimes, wish somewhat more of the population had a clue.
4) To believe that being gay is a choice is - well, your choice. I didn't have any gay role models ANYWHERE around as I was growing up. Nope, nobody, no where. I am gay by the grace of God and I take offense at arm-chair theologians pontificating about things of which they know not.

Perhaps I should have left out that last part - something about his / her right to be offensive..... ...but people could stay closer to things about which they are knowledgable.
 

Sue D. (156)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 7:35 pm
The TRUE agenda of the Christian Right. No, Janice C, it is not a double standard - they are only returning the 'hateful words' that they have heard from religious fanatics for hundreds of years. They only want an EQUAL standard and are living, breathing, everyday people just like you. They are NO DIFFERENT than you, except they happen to love some you would not be attracted to love. They live lives just like you, pay their bills, go to work, donate to good causes, raise their children with the same protective love, and MANY even go to church or believe in God, just like you. They are NO more likely than you (as a woman) would sexually molest a little boy (or a girl of the same sex as you). There is NOTHING they do when they go to bed at night with their partner than any heterosexual couple would do. THAT is the fact. If anyone thinks otherwise, then they are ashamed of their own form of love with their husband/wife. It would be helpful and honest to give gays and lesbians the same treatment as you would give a 'straight' (that you know of) person.
 

Valjean O. (23)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 7:41 pm
WOW! Anyone who's agenda is OPPRESSION and / or murder is clearly insane.
 

Deborah O. (98)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:27 pm
Christian fanatics the world over have always loved demonstrating their Christianity by killing those they deem different. Sometimes they are killing fellow Christians, but I imagine they console themselves with the notion that they have helped another lost lamb to see the light ( before putting their lights out altogether). This is a trait they seem to share with Muslim fanatics, always so willing to split hairs and heads over minor differences in custom or theology. Which is sad, because faith at its best can be a beautiful and amazing thing. Even now, I imagine that many of those being persecuted in Uganda are praying for those who persecute them.
 

Tom W. (24)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:42 pm
Be Kay - I almost sent you a green star for being so entertaining in your openly oppressive and ignorant remarks by your consideration of such a serious punishment of death for being gay.
You certainly come out on top for such (as you named it) as a Nazi thinker.
Homosexuals are not asking for special treatment nor preferences ONLY equality as the constitution dictates.

There are many citizen rights not allowed to homosexuals due to archaic religious bigotry, influenced and imposed upon our laws
.
The equal recognition to bestow all or any wealth or belongings to a partner / loved one under a living will is denied but recognized for the heterosexuals.
The right to be present at the death of a partner / loved one can be denied but normally accepted for the heterosexuals.
And so on and so on - Equality is all that is asked - Nothing special.
 

Edward M. (8)
Friday June 18, 2010, 7:24 am
Boycott Uganda, and any goods that may be exported from there until it's Government respects everyone's human rights. .
 

Adam G. (10)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 4:08 pm
I think it's time for a global ban on religion. think of all the evil that would be thwarted when evil people lose the vehicle for their hate...
 

Deborah O. (98)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 10:17 pm
Alas, a ban on religion isn't going to thwart evil, Adam. People will always find a vehicle for hate. If we were all one race, with no religion, there would always be persecutors and victims and the reasons would be just as specious. Persecution isn't going to go away. There will always be excuse for throwing stones and there will always be people lining up to throw them. Fortunately, there will also always be people willing to risk their own lives to pull the victims out of the line of fire.
 

Ashley R. (0)
Sunday July 11, 2010, 10:42 pm
I agree with Coretta Scott King when she said the gay rights movement was like the civil rights movement- a group of people asking for equality which had been denied to them by ignorant, racist/homophobic people. It seems amazing we have to debate over whether to treat one group of HUMAN BEINGS the same as another group of HUMAN BEINGS. The solution should be simple: equality for all. Except there's always people out there that disagree with this simple notion.
 

Desiree C. (3)
Monday July 26, 2010, 6:26 am
thats horrible.. these are people we are talking about. just becuz they are GAY doesnt mean anything.. when will people wake up & fight back! someday we will be equals..
 
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