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Hamas Faces New Threats As It Tightens Grip On Gaza


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- 1514 days ago - npr.org
The continuing battle for hearts and minds between Fatah and Hammas extends to daily activities in Gaza.



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Mehdi H. (27)
Tuesday August 31, 2010, 4:13 pm
noted. thanks
 

Mike Feenaughty (267)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 1:38 am
Noted.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 2:58 am
Perhaps they will rub each other out???
 

Maria Jesus Casado (3)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 4:11 am
Hamas is playing the part of a Big Boss of the jail: I rule, you friend or foe, everything is or will be mine
 

Terry B. (649)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 5:30 am
The article fails to mention that most of Gaza's electricity is supplied by Israel from the power plant at Ashkelon, so Hamass trying to blame Fatah for the outages is probably a political ploy instigated by Hamass to keep the peasants all riled up against Fahah.

Hamss has, however, stoppoed their idiots from lobbing rockets at the power plant, concentrating the attacks more on places like Sderot High School.. They want to control the outages. It would not do any good for the electricity shortage to be due to a damanged Israeli installation. After all, Hamsss cannot make more rockets out of the "humanitarian" sugar Isreal and Egypt allow in if there is no electricity (noting that the new shopping mall seems to be pretty well illuminated).
 

Safe World For Women (62)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 10:41 am
What will it take to bring peace to this troubled region? I suggest that we need to ask the women - not the men
 

Thomas S. (19)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 1:14 pm
""You cannot compare between us and the Taliban. We educated our people, our children, our women equally," he says."

Yes, I've seen how you educate your children.......to hate and kill Jews. Nice.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 1:55 pm
noted
 

Mehdi H. (27)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 4:15 pm
Thomas what goes around, comes around. I didn't find any school in israel to teach their children to love arabs either.
 

Mehdi H. (27)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 4:17 pm
oh did say arabs. sorry. I meant anyone else except Jews
 

Miriam E. (18)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 4:35 pm
Mehdi, did you really search for schools in Israel?
If you did, you didn't look close enough.
Schools in Israel do teach their children to love Arabs. To love everyone. There might be some that don't, but there are definitely some that does.
Believe it or not, there are even schools where Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs study together.
 

Mehdi H. (27)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 6:20 pm
Miriam, you are confusing teaching to love and teaching to shoot. Let me ask you something, If as you say the israeli schools teach jews to love arabs, then who are all these people in israel harrasing Palestinians? Who are all these guys kicking senior arabs out of their rightful homes so there is more room to build new jewish settlements? Then who are all these people? Oh, their love is so great that they want to just masacre all of them, right? Maybe all these people just couldn't pass this course. And to answer to your question,My research about israeli schools are the same as your research about arab schools, that's in the case your government left any school in Palestine. But I can see what they teach in their school when I see how the israeli people treat the arabs in israel and palestine.
 

Thomas S. (19)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 7:13 pm
Sure, Mehdi. Israeli schools teach their kids to love no one except other filthy Jews. That would explain the incredible amount of philanthropy Israel exports to various regions of the Earth. Do you want some proof that Hamas teaches its kids to hate and kill Jews? Here's your proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8

Now lets see some evidence to support your lame and bigoted comment about how Israeli schools teach their kids to care for no one else other than Jews.
 

Mehdi H. (27)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 7:58 pm
1. I never said jews are filthy, you are saying that which is very inappropriate. Stop acting like a child and if you want to discuss something, do it in away which is appropriate.
2. I never said there is no anti jewish teachings in Arab schools, I said: what goes around comes around. In the case this is not clear to you, it means, the way you teach your children to treat arabs, they theach theirs to treat you.
3. So you claim israeli people are all so loving people and were thought to love arabs in schools? my question is the same as I asked Meriam above. Then who are these people kicking the palestinians out of their homes, so there will be more jewish settlement building? Who are these people whom don't even allow medical supply to get to Gaza as in flotilla? Then why everyday, some more Palestinian civilians get shot by IDF?
4. You showed me a youtube video about something that I know. I never denied what is going on in the arab schools. I never in my life supported what Hamas does. So if you just searched youtube to find something that I already know, you wasted your time.
5. You asked for my evidence, just open your eyes, use your tools such as internet, watch some documents on the internet and see how the IDF is treating the Palestinian civilians. about school:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXKiONkYEk&feature=related (this is good man, so much love they thought to their children)
http://www.pcdc.edu.ps/anti_Arab_israeli_textbooks.htm
about grown up israelis, educated in israel in the arab loving schools:
http://www.btselem.org/english/Beating_and_Abuse/
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/06/20/israeli-border-police-offer-videos-documenting-abuse-of-palestinian-civilians/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUGWmCXrcWg

6. Now that you watched and read that part of the story (which is normally censored from your media) let me get to the fine point. If the israeli people and israeli government treat the palestinians right, the Palestinian people will be more attracted to them than to Hamas. If Hamas doesn't have any supporters, they will breakdown
7. I never said that israeli people have not accompolished anything that you bring up the record of it. If israeli people made something, we bought it. We didn't get it for free.
8. We can go on and on and bring up documents for eachother, but unless both Hamas and israeli government take responsibility for their their crimes and mistakes, and try to solve their mistakes, the peace talks will get nowhere. And none of them will accompolish anything by putting the blame on the other one. In my opinion, both of them have the same amount of guilt and the same amount of blood on their hands.
 

Miriam E. (18)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 1:44 am
Mehdi, I didn't say anything about Arab schools.
I'd like to believe that in Palestinian schools they also teach their children not to hate everyone. At least not in all of them. Or else we are all doomed. Education is always very important to have peace. On both sides.

Furthermore, as I said, not all people here in Israel are well taught. At least not according to my opinion, and I know that definitely not according to yours.
But you said a very strong statement that we Israelis are all taught to hate. Or that we are taught not lo love the Arabs.
But this is not true for everyone.

And don't get me wrong, I don't justify any of the harassing of Palestinians. Any of the unjustified killing and shooting.
And sadly we have them. And we have to fight it.
As in the Palestinian side, there are extremists in the Israeli side.
And there is the government that not always does the right thing (in my opinion).

But I'll tell you this - some of my best friends stood in checkpoints, did their job to keep Israelis safe, and while doing that made sure no Palestinians will be harassed, and if needed stopped other ill taught soldiers from doing things to the Palestinians..
 

Terry B. (649)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 4:39 am
Tom and Miriam -- it is useless to try and have an intelligent conversation with the obviously unqualified.

 

Mehdi H. (27)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 6:06 am
Terry, tell me one intelligent conversatin you ever had?
 

Mehdi H. (27)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 6:17 am
Miriam, I understand you. I never denied what is going on in many Arab schools. I never sterotyped all israelis either. Many of my best friends are jews and I have no problem with jews as long as they don't interfere with my life. What I have a problem with is the israeli government as well as Hamas plus people who try to show only one side on the story. I also have many muslim friends who risked their life helping jews in Iran to escape the country. So just saying that all arabs or muslims hate the jews, is also very strong point, which this article is making.
 

Thomas S. (19)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 8:00 am
"I never sterotyped all israelis either."
" I didn't find any school in israel to teach their children to love arabs either........oh did say arabs. sorry. I meant anyone else except Jews"

These 2 statements are just a bit at odds with each other. You implies that Israeli Jews are taught to love no one but other Jews, that statement is patently false and offensive, revealing a hateful attitude toward all Israelis.

"If the israeli people and israeli government treat the palestinians right, the Palestinian people will be more attracted to them than to Hamas."

That remains to be seen, and although I hope you're right, I won't hold my breath, even if a peace accord is reached. Why? Because Palestinian violence against Jews predates the existence of the State of Israel by more than a quarter century. in 1920, Palestinian Arabs began massacring Jews who had settled in Palestine to escape pogroms, in a massive series of unprovoked, unwarranted attacks, many of which were small-scale but many others of which involved Arabs going into the homes in towns full of Jews and killing all the men, women and children....sometimes even mutilating the genitalia of the adults and cutting the women's breasts off. Coexistence was peaceable and productive before that. There was no reason for these attacks, except that a number of Palestinians who hated Jews, including the grand mufti of Jerusalem, started spreading lies that Jews were desecrating Muslim holy sights (even going so far in one instance as to doctor a photo to make the dome of the rock appear to be in flames). It was then far too easy to find large numbers of Palestinians willing to commit horrific acts of murder, and mutilation..... I believe rape was also involved.

THAT is how all this violence started, so I don't blame Israelis for keeping Palestinians at arms length. There is much MUCH hatred and violence against Jews written in the Koran, and far too many Muslims take what's written in that book literally and teach their kids to hate. I grew up in a Jewish family and was taught that Arabs are our closest cousins.
 

Terry B. (649)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 8:43 am
Tom, did you ever notice that almost none of the 20% of Israeli citizens who are Arabs want to leave "Israel proper" and go to their grievously oppressed brethern in Gaza and the West Bank?

And the opposite is not true.

Yet when I was there in 2008 I noticed long lines of "Pals" wating at the border to go though the checkpints and get into Israel in the morning to go to their jobs. The delay seemed to be no more than here, going from one side of Niagara Falls to the other (actually less now that the United States has been overcome by paranoia).
 

Mehdi H. (27)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 10:25 am
Thmas, I still repeat both above statements. I believe the israeli government is promoting hate crime against arabs through school and media. I still say I have no problem with jews and israeli civilians. Now, if I condomn the crimes made by israeli government, how is that sterotyping? As I have said before, I have no problem with the jews, and israeli people who don't interfere with my life. On the other hand, I condomn the crimes made by israeli government against civilians.
Now, you in the other hand say the following comments:
"Palestinian violence against Jews predates the existence of the State of Israel by more than a quarter century. in 1920, Palestinian Arabs began massacring Jews who had settled in Palestine to escape pogroms, in a massive series of unprovoked, unwarranted attacks, many of which were small-scale but many others of which involved Arabs going into the homes in towns full of Jews and killing all the men, women and children....sometimes even mutilating the genitalia of the adults and cutting the women's breasts off."
Did all the palestinians do it? so who is sterotyping here? me or you?
 

Mehdi H. (27)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 12:19 pm
Thomas show me where in koran it encourages violence against Jews? Did you know that even in Koran it mentions people are allowed to practice any religion as long as they know what the right way to live is? Now I like you to show an evidence to prove what you say. You said: "I don't blame Israelis for keeping Palestinians at arms length." That is exactly the opposite of what you say, as if it was true, they won't build new settlement on the Palestinian land. The violence the israeli army is using when dealing with Palestinian civilians might not be the main reason of war, but for sure is the main reason that the peace talk was delayed for 60 years. Here we get back to my first comment to you. What goes around, comes around. If israel treats arab civilians with violence, the result will only be more violence. Don't you believe me? Check the past 60 years history of israel. Now, YOU are one good example of how the israeli government is educating people inside israel and outside of israel to hate the Arabs. They don't keep telling you directly to hate arabs, but by hiding the truth of the other side of the story, they have demonized Arab civilians. You claim that Arabs and muslims are all filled with hatred of Jews, let me ask you this question. How many Arabs and Muslims did you come in contact with?Have you ever asked how they feel towards the Jews and israeli civilians? Did you ever google to see how the israeli government is treating the civilians in Palestine? I didn't think so. If you did that, you wouldn't be coming up with such a ridiculous comment as"there are many verses in koran who encourage violence against jews" So instead of labeling people who disagree with you with anti-semetism and terrorist, you might want to do these things. It will help you know the other side of the story as well. Then you won't just say that all arabs are filled with hatred against the jews.
 

Mehdi H. (27)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 9:56 pm
Terry B, Don't you see the man is ignoring you and doesn't answer you? It is so pathetic that even people who support your idea, keep ignoring you. So why don't you go bark somewhere that they throw you a piece of bone. By the way, keep it up man, you are still number one on my idiot list
 

Thomas S. (19)
Friday September 3, 2010, 8:50 am
I'm ignoring no one, I have a life to lead thank you very much.

"Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. This is echoed by verses 7:166 and 2:65. "

"A hadith says that Muhammad believed rats to be "mutated Jews" (Bukhari 54:524, also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136)."

"But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning. (22:19-22)"

"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (5:51)"

"O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse (3:118)"

"For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies (4:101)"

"As for them, they are but plotting a scheme (86:15)"

"Jews are also cursed by Allah (5:13), in one of his final pronouncements. The Qur’an goes on to assure Muslims that Jews are wicked (4:160-162) – so wicked, in fact, that they have somehow managed to do the impossible (18:27) and alter the word of Allah (2:75). Jews are “fond of lies” and “devour the forbidden” (5:42)."

"The Qur’an assures believers that Jews and Christians have “diseased hearts” (5:52). Allah even takes credit for the enmity between them (5:14)."

"They [the Children of Israel] were consigned to humiliation and wretchedness. They brought the wrath of God upon themselves, and this because they used to deny God's signs and kill His Prophets unjustly and because they disobeyed and were transgressors" (Sura 2:61). According to the Koran, the Jews try to introduce corruption (5:64), have always been disobedient (5:78), and are enemies of Allah, the Prophet and the angels (2:97 98)."

Plenty of love for Jews in the Koran.

I never said all Arabs hate Jews, I said far too many do. Is there violence and hatred on both sides? Of course. Where I draw the distinction is:

1) The violence originated with Palestinians massacring Jews and not the other way around.
2) It is possible for Arabs to live in peace inside Israel without having to build protective walls around their neighborhoods to prevent stabbings and shootings, but not the other way around.
3) Hamas prevents its own people from leaving Gaza, murders its political opposition in the street, shoots its critics, persecutes gays, and is trying to impose a fundamentalist view of their religion on its people. The Israeli government does not do these things.
4) Any and all Jews from around the world are allowed to emigrate to Israel and are granted citizenship. I don't see any Arab governments willing to do the same for Palestinian Arabs.
5) Quite frequently, particularly during the intifadas, stories of common Palestinian people committing acts of violence and terrorism against Jewish civilians are numerous. Stories about Jews pulling a Baruch Goldstien are rare.
6) Videos of Hamas children dressed in jihad wear with toy AK-47s and suicide bomb belts are easy enough to find, I don't see anything like that on the other side Israeli children ACTIVELY BEING ENCOURAGED TO MURDER ARABS. The story about the Israeli schoolbooks you posted may show evidence that some Israeli children are being taught negative stereotypes about Arabs, or not to trust them, but this is not surprising considering the history of Palestinian Arabs murdering their peaceful Jewish neighbors. As you've said, what comes around goes around. The video of the lady yelling at the kids who were THROWING ROCKS AT HER proves nothing. If neighborhood kids were throwing rocks at me, I'd yell and call the cops too.

As far as my exposure to Arabs, I read much commentary on line, particularly on you-tube. Whereas I see some moderate Arab voices, the high majority are preaching violence and hatred...."death to Israel" and whatnot. Do I see Jewish haters on line? Sure, but not nearly as many, and at a much lower percentage when compared to Jewish and Israeli voices of moderation and compassion.

Most of the Arabs I've had face to face contact with were when I spent time in Amsterdam. There was one owner of a restaurant I frequented who was very nice, and several other Arab merchants who ripped me off every chance they got. Even at a falafel stand, no shit. Not a very positive experience, but I do my best not to let this influence my opinion of Arabs in general.

I am actually quite fascinated with the Arab world. I would love to visit Egypt and see the antiquities. I would love to visit Iran and ski their mountains. I would love to visit Beirut and Dubai to party with the jet set. Hell, I'd love to visit Mecca, though I wouldn't even be allowed in the country. I would cherish the experience of making friends with the people in all of these places. I would love to do all those things, but dare not because I'm fond of breathing. There are far too many instances of bus-fulls of Western tourists being shot up with automatic weapons, and nightclubs and hotels being bombed. Sad. I'm pretty sure Muslims with no terrorist ties are allowed into Israel to travel, and instances of Western tourists being killed in Israel by Jews are non-existent or virtually so.
 

Mehdi H. (27)
Friday September 3, 2010, 1:02 pm
Let's go throw these verses, vers by verse.
5:60 says: Say, "Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah ? [It is that of] those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way."
7:166 So when they were insolent about that which they had been forbidden, We said to them, "Be apes, despised."

neither in the verse nor any other verses in the verses, it talks about Jews, It doesn't say this is the only curse Allah can put on people, nor says the worst curse. by continuing to read verses 61 and 62, you know that it does not even talk about literal abes and pigs, it talks about people who believe in No God, as they have no understanding such as pigs and abes.
2: 65 says: And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them, "Be apes, despised."
if you start reading from verse 63 you understand that this verse is not talking about Jews at all, but it says 63-64 Allah was talking to the Jews and told them to be rightous, and 65 is talking TO THE JEWS (not regarding them, that people who transgressed against God became abs (or as abes) So, this verse is not talking about Jews but to the Jews which makes it clear to every muslim that JEWS are also following the law of the same GOD.
Bukhari 54:524 You know that a haddith is not koran right, so let's talk about Koran which you claim encourages violence against Jews.
22:19-22 says in gest as claimed:
But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning
Again no mention of Jews, it is talking about the results for no following the law of God, come on every religion believe in Armagaddon. but No mention of Jews or encouraging violence against them
5:51says:
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.
3:18 says:
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

Here it clearly forbides muslim to relationship with other religions, that's true but does it encourages violence against them? No Jesus warned people to not be part of the world, Torah forbides the Jews to have relationship or friendship with others. But does it say what you claimed? does it encourage violence? NO
4:101 says:
And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy.
Do you see here? it is talking about shortening prayers when they are traveling. why? Because the unbelievers might attack you and the enemies of muslims at that time were the unbelievers. Koran as I have showed you, recognize Jews as believers.
86:15 says:
"As for them, they are but plotting a scheme
Again any mention of Jews? any mention of violence? No
4: 160-162 For wrongdoing on the part of the Jews, We made unlawful for them [certain] good foods which had been lawful to them, and for their averting from the way of Allah many [people], you see the same text also in The same as 18:27 and 5:42
Sure! Even Jews believe that for their wrong doings, they were punished many times, afterall it is written in Torah. But enouraging violence as you claimed? NO
5:14 says: And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.
First this verse doesn't talk about violence against Jews. second, ask the Christians and they will tell you that by 7th century they compeletly forgot what law of God sent by Jesus was. Isn't there enemity between Christians? or Christians and Jews? Check how Pope was supporting Hitler to kill the Jews, Check Ireland and how protestants and Catolics kill eathother.
2:61 says "They [the Children of Israel] were consigned to humiliation and wretchedness. They brought the wrath of God upon themselves, and this because they used to deny God's signs and kill His Prophets unjustly and because they disobeyed and were transgressors"
Wasn't Isaiah a Jewish prophet? Who killed him? How about Jeremaiah? Doesn't the bible both in old testament and New testament confirm that Jew killed God's prophets? Doesn't it say that Jews were punished for their disblief and sent to exile? Does this verse suggest violence?
What you claimed was Koran suggest violence against Jews which in none of these verses, it suggest anything like that. Yes it talks alot about Jews who were punished for their sins, which is compeletly in accordance with Christian and Jewish holy books. Now that we got here you might want to read 2: 256 There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
2: 190-194 says "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. Kill them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there. If they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression and justice and faith in Allah prevail. If they cease, engage in hostility only against those who practice oppression. There is the law of equality of for the prohibited months, and so for all things prohibited. If any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress likewise against him. But be conscious of Allah and know that He is with those who restrain themselves" muslims are directly ordered to fight only if they are attacked and stop if the enemy seize to fight.
Now, you can not even find one verse in Koran encouraging violence against Jews or any other religion to support your original claim, Shall I give you some references from Torah which encourages genocide, killing men, women and even children? If you are grown up in a Jewish family you may be able to find these verses in your Torah.







 

Mehdi H. (27)
Friday September 3, 2010, 3:30 pm
Okay, sorry I had to go and do something now the rest. (holy macro it is becoming like an essay)
Now last point. I agree there are some passages that discourage muslims from relating to the other religions. This is the same in every other holy book. The Jews were discourage from relating to other religions as well. But there is nowhere in Koran encouraging violence against Jews or any other religion unlike The old testament book of Deut. 7:1-2 (fifth book of Torah) saying "When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land that you are entering to possess, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you. And when the Lord, your God, delivers them before you and you defeat them, destroy them utterly. Make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them" (Deuteronomy 7:1-2) which does not even spare children.
As I have said before, there are many anti-jewish education in muslim schools, but there are also anti-muslim education in israel. (Note, I am saying israel not jews) I am neither an arab nor a muslim. (I was born in a muslim family in Iran but I am not a muslim by faith) As you know many israel consider Iran their main enemy but I give my guarantee to you that more than 90% Iranian people (muslims and non-muslims) has no problem with jews or israeli people. eventhough they were thought to hate the jews they don't. But I also have many educated jews who don't stereotype people from any country, based on their faith. So, just considering arabs are muslims in general are anti-jew, is stupid, the same as saying all the jews are anti-muslim.
I have said many times before that Hamas is wrong, but don't tell me that IDF is always trying to protect their country as many times they were accused of war crimes and asked for an investigation by U.N which was rejected by the israeli government ei: The war in 2008 in Lebanon.
In my mind, Hamas is guilty as israeli government is.
 

Thomas S. (19)
Saturday September 4, 2010, 7:30 am
Of course they rejected it........ no matter what Israel does, it is torn apart and condemned by the international press. If public opinion flies against me every time I do anything at all, eventually I stop giving a damn what the public thinks.

You can go on arguing Jews aren't badmouthed in the Koran and offer evidence that the old testament is full of violence........it is. But, how often do we hear about Jews killing their neighbors because they dared to work on the Sabbath or are wearing clothes made of 2 different types of cloth?
 

Mehdi H. (27)
Saturday September 4, 2010, 9:10 am
Most north American press are run by pro-zionists as in CBS, Washington Times and hundres of others. When did they condomn anything israel did legally? After all, we have the United Nation for the purpose of problems like this. If israel doesn't cooperate with internatinal comunity, why do you expect the other way?
 

Thomas S. (19)
Wednesday September 8, 2010, 2:43 pm
Give me a break. An American Jewish boy is beaten nearly to death by a mob of Palestinians for the crime of accidentally wandering into their East Jerusalem neighborhood. An Israeli soldier saves the boys life by driving the Palestinians away, and a photo is snapped of the screaming, angry soldier with the bloody Jewish boy in the foreground. This photo is printed in the New York Times, arguably the most respected news source in the U.S. What does the caption read? It reads:

"An Israeli policeman and a Palestinian on Temple mount"

The full story: http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/reports/The_Photo_that_Started_it_All.asp

During Cast Lead, Hamas fighters are launching mortars at the Israelis in the street just outside a UN compound containing a school, the Israelis return accurate artillery fire, killing the Hamas fighters and lightly injuring a few people inside the school. What story does the American media print? That the artillery shells hit the school and killed over 100 civilians. Where did they get that false story? From "Palestinian sources", a wonderful and vague source of disinformation and lies. Did the media bother to check the facts before printing? No, they almost never do.........they just take these anonymous "Palestinian sources" at their word and FREQUENTLY print anti-Israel outright lies as a result.

The American AND International media has such an anti-Israel slant that there are entire organizations founded to tackle this one problem, so you know what you can do with that silly comment about the American press being run by Zionists.

"If israel doesn't cooperate with internatinal comunity, why do you expect the other way?"

And why should Israel cooperate with an international community that stood by and did nothing when Palestinians were massacring Jews for no reason from 1920-1947, the Jews being left defenseless because the British imprisoned any Jew who dared to obtain a firearm for the protection of his family, an international community that did nothing when Member-states of the Arab league subsequently invaded with the aim of killing every Jewish man, woman and child, that did nothing the other 2 times hostile neighbors invaded with the same goal, and that did nothing to stop the suicide bombings and rocket attacks?

The way you say it, the international press is perfectly justified to print as many lies about Israel as it pleases.

Such a load of crap.
 
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