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JORDAN: MIXED MARRIAGES, GEOPOLITICS AND A GENDER DOUBLE STANDARD


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The husband and children of a Jordanian woman can never become a citizen, and enjoys no basic rights in the country. Many of those shut out are Palestinian, which makes the law even more difficult to undo.



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patrica and edw jones (190)
Monday August 8, 2011, 2:38 am
WHOEVER THINKS UP THESE ARCHAIC LAWS? WHY MAKE LIFE HARDER FOR THESE PEOPLE?
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 8, 2011, 5:11 am
noted. TY, C.
 

(0)
Monday August 8, 2011, 12:37 pm
Peace unto you oh Dhimmi Ken how are the stocks of Zyklon B holding out and have you perfected the design of your latest oven?
 

Fred Krohn (34)
Monday August 8, 2011, 5:16 pm
Theocracy sucks. NO religion is fit to perform as a government; NO government should be allowed to play favourites with nonviolent religions!
 

Robert O (12)
Monday August 8, 2011, 7:24 pm
Thanks Cal.

Ken D., that was a bit harsh. I don't always agree with the content of the articles posted, but I don't go on the attack. Listen, I support Palestinian rights as do many others but it can be done in a peaceful context that isn't so blatently anti-Israel, anti-Jew. We should exercise our freedom of speech wisely and respectfully.
 

Hartson Doak (39)
Monday August 8, 2011, 7:27 pm
Again that old fear of women by stupid men that think they will be made to look inferior. They do not realize that they are. And they are doing this to themselves!
 

Marianna molnar woods (9)
Monday August 8, 2011, 9:45 pm
just so sad
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1067)
Monday August 8, 2011, 11:04 pm
Ah Ken, the master of schata-basedl reasoning, there's no chasm like sarcasm, especially when it's full of false accusations and nonsense and the old double standard of human rights for everyone except Israel. You might even post an article or two yourself, but that would take the fun out of your libelous conspiracy theories and warped and non-universal views of human rights.. I'm also reporting your attacks to Care2 for violating comment policy.Have a fun life and keep your nonsense to yourself next time!

You're worth neither my time or the printed word, Ken!...next subject!
 

Alexa R (319)
Monday August 8, 2011, 11:40 pm
Ken D: "Monday August 8, 2011, 6:02 am
Oh dear, what a surprise, our Zionist agent friend Cal. . .At it again with his Israeli-manipulated, anti-Islamic Hysteria. . . "

Ken where is the 'hysteria' (the only 'hysteria' i see is your comment!) and what is a 'Zionist agent friend'? The rest of your comment is such nonsense it's not even worth responding to ..

In fact your comment is so full of nonsense I reported it.

"Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you."
 

Alexa R (319)
Monday August 8, 2011, 11:45 pm
Send a Green Star to Cal Mendelsohn
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Cal because you have done so within the last week.

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Thanks Cal for exposing these double standards. You've obviously hit a nerve with this article when looking at some of the hysterical responses!
 

Rose Becke (141)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 12:10 am
A GREAT POST CAL THANK YOU
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1067)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 12:31 am
Thanks Rose and Alexandra. CarlGustav my body of posted articles is fair and balanced including human rights articles for many groups that I don't support the politics of including the Palestinians of Jordan. Sound familiar? read the article and stop pretending to have a monopoly on truth!
 

Stan B (123)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 3:12 am
A fair, interesting and objective post Cal as usual. I wouldn't take a lot of notice of Ken. He doesn't have the intellect to understand anything which doesn't have an Israel hate angle.
Time you came out of the closet Kenneth. I know what you are, you know what you are and anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows what you are.
 

Jose Ramon Fisher Rodriguez (13)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 4:08 am
Citizenship is one issue. I don't agree with the Jordanian policy, but let's not be too quick to condemn, or more accurately, let's not imagine they're the only ones. Many European countries used to have similar policies, and many other countries still do.
However, basic rights such as education, work, and getting a driver's license are another issue. On that score, I consider the Jordanian government's position objectively disgraceful. And the idea that the Palestinians should have been kept marginalized and mistreated in other Middle Eastern countries in order to keep them focused on the idea of fighting Israel just doesn't seem right to me. Wanting people to fight somebody else is not an excuse for not treating them decently yourself.
 

Ken D (32)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 5:08 am
I think we all know what you are too 'Stan' - on the same treacherous payroll as our 'fair and ballanced' 'Cal'.
 

Ken D (32)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 5:12 am
Obviously touched a nerve here. . . Post the truth and it's flagged as nonsense! Hilarious!
 

Marilyn K (50)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 5:30 am
These laws are only reactions and fear which has been brought about by specific events.
 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 6:10 am
In a single week in 1990

Kuwait expelled 450,ooo

Palestinians who had lived there for decades.

IF YOU WANT TO SUPPORT PALESTINIANS,

BOYCOTT ARAB STATES.

elder of ziyon.com
 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 6:18 am
Jordan has taken away

Citizenship from some 1.5 million Palestinians so far.

And it hasn't stopped.

IF YOU WANT TO SUPPORT PALESTINIANS,

BOYCOTT ARAB STATES.

elder of ziyon.com

 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 6:24 am
The Arab League insists

that its country members

offer Citizenship to all

Arabs

except Palestinians.

IF YOU WANT TO SUPPORT PALESTINIANS,

BOYCOTT ARAB STATES

elder of ziyon.com

 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 6:31 am
Palestinians in Lebanon

have been deprived of Citizenship ,

the right to buy land, and the right to

work at many kinds of jobs.

IF YOU WANT TO SUPPORT PALESTINIANS,

BOYCOTT ARAB STATES

elder of ziyon.com
 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 6:37 am
Thousands of Palestinians

were attacked, terrorized

and chased out of Iraq in 2003.

No Arab Country would take them in.

IF YOU WAANT TO SUPPORT PALESTINIANS,

BOYCOTT ARAB STATES.

elder of ziyon.com
 

Ken D (32)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 6:46 am
Get it right cobber - If you want to support Occupied Palestine: Boycott 'Israel'.
 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 7:07 am
SEEMS TO ME PALESTINIANS

ARE DOING QUITE WELL IN ISRAEL.

ABLE TO DRIVE,

ABLE TO WORK

ACCESS TO HOSPTIALS

ACCESS TO DENTAL TREATMENT

ACCESS TO UNIVERSITY

ACCESS TO GOOD CLEAN WATER

ACCESS TO ELECTRICITY

ACCESS TO ISRAELI GOODS

ACCESS TO TEMPLE MOUNT.

ACCESS TO GOOD FOOD.

EVEN PRISONERS GET AN EDUCATION, ALL FOR FREE.

WHICH IS MORE THEN WHAT THE ARAB STATES DO FOR PALESTINIANS.
 

Ken D (32)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 7:20 am
Being upside-down has addled the brain. . . Yes, of course they are - Palestinians are living the Life of Riley in 'Israel'.
‪Boycott Movement gains pace during Ramadan - Remember Palestine.

http://youtu.be/c64IBiRmgy8

http://www.inminds.com/boycott-israeli-dates.php

 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 7:24 am
ARRRRRRR KENNY D

I FEEL TOUCHED TO THINK THAT IM YOUR COBBER, MATES, FRIEND,PAL

JUST DON'T GET TO EXCITED, THAT IM SENDING YOU A GREEN STAR , AND YOU CAN PUT IN YOUR POCKET AND SAVE IT FOR A RAINY DAY.

SHALOM.
 

Calle J (19)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 8:33 am

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT:
Caps lock time?

Does anyone sound relyable when using this feature?
Or just a keyboard breakdown?
 

Ken D (32)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 8:46 am
Careful Carl. . . Cal and his friends of 'Israel' are touchy - you carry on like that and you're very likely to get flagged for posting 'nonsense' and then bizarrely with chutpah-a-blazing sent a green star into the bargain! Go figure!!
 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 9:10 am
CARL GUSTAV

DON'T KNOW CARL YOUR TELLING THE STORY
 

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 9:25 am
Ken: "Tuesday August 9, 2011, 5:12 am
Obviously touched a nerve here. . . "

.. if you attack my friends or telling lies about my friends, or my country or my faith you sure do "touch a nerve" .. I care about my friends, my country, my faith .. I thought that's obvious ..

Or are you stating the obvious because you have a better suggestion for me as to what I can do when someone tells lies or attacks my friends, my country or faith with lies?
 

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 9:27 am
Ken, first of all rudeness towards those that disagree with you does not resolve any issue but can make you look stupid with nothing to back up the anti-Israel statements rather like Saeb Erekat in responding to a video by the Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel, Danny Ayalon.

http://unitedwithisrael.org/the-video-that-is-driving-the-palestinians-crazy/

Then we have to ignore your unacceptable drivel and look at the article and the suffering of the Habashney and her fatherless family. This is a statement by the Jordanian government that the women who live there have no rights. This is a part of Islam, women are less than second class citizens, and should be treated as garbage. I have spent a lot of time trying to bring this to both individuals and governments. However, it is a matter of no-one on care2 being interested in case it shatters the rose tinted glasses that they wear, Their aggression against Israel is pure anti-Semitism because there israrely an

http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=5451
 

beatrice d (124)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 9:54 am
I am shivering because of the amount of hatred I see in these replies.
And, as usual, we are shifting the focus of the article on Israeli-Palestinian issue which is not the main point.
The point here is that WOMEN are not allowed to transfer their Jordanian citizenship to their foreign husbands. MEN can, automatically.
Is it so difficult to accept the fact that women are, almost anywhere in the world, second class citizens?

“The Palestinian issue is not my problem. I worry about our kids who have no present and no future in this country,” says Habashney. “We won’t remain silent. We’re going to speak and to demonstrate, we’ll keep fighting.”

This is the situation (but I must check to be more precise) in most of the Arab Countries: women cannot pass their nationality to husbands and children. And, as we know, not every one borders with Israel.

 

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 9:59 am
Sorry, I have a new laptop and it is highly sensitive! Of course, all of the anti-Israelites use computers use computers which have Israeli inventions in them just as they use hospitals and treatments by Israelis and Jews. Hypocrisy?

Anyway, I try to support those that suffer and am always amused by the fact that only Israelis cause suffering. Hamas committing war crimes by training children to bear arms and be suicide bombers and the parents using their children this way is unacceptable.
http://www.think-israel.org/hertz.pakidskilling.html

Muslims attack Christians in many other countries and there is no outcry.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/iraqi-churches-face-targeted-car-bomb-attacks-53213/
http://barnabasfund.org/Christians-targeted-in-Ivory-Coast-and-Nigeria-in-post-election-conflicts.html

And then there are the other countries who abuse Palestinians, including Jordan but there is silence on the subject
http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/2/4/2/3/9/p242399_index.html
http://www.muhajabah.com/islamicblog/archives/veiled4allah/006377.php
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/24/middleeast-palestinian-territories

Now, instead of blaming Israel for this abuse of Jordanian women, such as Habashney, where Queen Rania cannot speak out in support of them and that they cannot speak out for themselves, is it not time that we ALL look at the cause, Islam, and say that this is unacceptable and that women have rights as do their families?
 

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 10:27 am
Gillian: "Jordanian women, such as Habashney, where Queen Rania cannot speak out in support of them and they cannot speak out for themselves, is it not time that we ALL look at the cause, Islam, and say that this is unacceptable and that women have rights as do their families? "

I second that sentiment ..
 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 10:45 am
KENNY D THAT WAS FOR CALLING ME COBBER, MEANING IM YOUR FRIEND,

I CAN SEE YOU HAVE A GOOD HEART.

SHALOM
 

Akin Adelakun (21)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 12:38 pm
Thank you for the information.
 

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 12:47 pm
beatrice d, you are quite right, everyone blames Israel for everything. I try to blame those who are at fault, sometimes Israel but, the vast majority of the time, it is the terrorists.

With Muslim run countries, it is Islam. They hang little girls for being abused and honour kill them if their brothers rape them. They stone women for accidentally showing a bit of their wrist and they won't allow them to work, own things, shall I continue?

In this case, a woman's family is not recognised even though she is Jordanian, lived there all her life, has married another Muslim (at least I assume so), her kids are born there and yet she and they have no recognition of their existence. I find this inhuman and something no civilised and moral country should even consider. The international community should condemn this but, knowing the UN, they are too busy to actually do what they are supposed to do.

 

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 1:47 pm
Ken, an article by someone unbiased about Gaza. I uploaded a few and the worst suffering was a 5 star hotel had a shortage of ice cream - oooh!

“Palestine,” The World’s Most Economically and Politically Coddled Entity

by Barry Rubin

SkyNews reporter Tim Marshall points out what other reporters don’t…point out.

“There are well over 200 NGOs in the West Bank and Gaza, and 30% of the GDP here comes from international aid. Palestinians are among the most foreign aid funded people in the world and the place is awash with money….

“The billions that pour in here mean the Palestinian Authority does not need to try very hard to deliver the services expected by voters, it also stifles the private sector, inflates wages and causes an internal ‘brain drain’….

“No Palestinian business can compete with NGOs which routinely triple what a local firm would pay….

“`Palestine is the best-kept secret in the aid industry,’” a medical NGO worker recently told This Week In Palestine, `People need field experience and Palestine sounds cool and dangerous because it can be described as a war zone, but in reality it’s quite safe and has all the comforts that internationals want.’”

So in other words, the NGOs have every interest in continuing this situation, a lot of Westerners are making great money, the Palestinians are subsidized to an extent that much-worse-off Third World people can only dream about, AND they are portrayed as heroic, suffering victims, too!

And what does the Palestinian Authority have to do in exchange for all this loot and free propaganda? Absolutely nothing. Not make peace with Israel. Not reject a deal with Hamas. Not stop breaking all of its prior commitments by ending its drive for unilateral independence. Not cease incitement to kill Israelis or teaching its people that all of Israel is rightfully theirs. Not face a boycott, divestment, and sanctions movement. Not worry about having its officials arrested for involvement with terrorism when they visit certain European countries. Not face hate and intimidation directed at its nationals and defenders in the West [In contrast, Jews can no longer go to Belgium's main university without harassment]. Not face public criticism from Western governments. And not even have to negotiate with Israel for the last 2.5 years.

They don’t even have to face an “occupation” as they did between 1967 and 1994-1996.

All of these points are true and demonstrable facts. Yet because of the mass media’s virtual refusal to deal with this framework, they can be ignored by policymaking and intellectual elites.

This is the worst crisis in the world, the greatest oppression, and the greatest suffering?


 

Ken D (32)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 3:23 pm
You want to talk about 5 Star hotels?!! Try the King David and then get back to me!!
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 7:13 pm
KEN D. HAS CONTRIBUTED NOTHING NEWSWORTHY - AND HIS PARTICULAR BRAND OF UNPLEASANTNESS IS NOT WANTED WHERE HONEST OPINIONS ARE NOT TRADED WITH IGNORANCE.
 

Ken D (32)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 9:43 pm
Maybe you'd have a modicum of credibility when it comes to exactly what is, and is not newsworthy, if you could only grasp the basic rudiments of the English language and familiarize yourself with lower case letters.
 

Calle J (19)
Tuesday August 9, 2011, 10:17 pm

Gillian no fwds please no post:
Yes, Israeli inventions like Stuxnet worm - terrorising your computer right now and disclose the harddiscs content.
 

Mary P (157)
Wednesday August 10, 2011, 10:18 am
Gillian, shame, you poor soul, so much of hatred for islam, even if the article has nothing to do with islam. Are you so afraid that if, Islam touches your heart, it will cleanse out that, hatred from your heart and fill it with love, compassion and care for all of mankind. GOD Bless. Spread Jesus's (PBUH): 'love thy enemies', instead of 'hate thy neighbours!!Peace.
 

Gillian M (218)
Friday August 12, 2011, 2:38 pm
Mary, the problem with bleeding hearts is that they allow the spread of evil. I do not have a problem with the vast majority of Muslims who live quietly and are willing to follow the true tenets of their religion. What I have a problem with is something that none of the anti-Semites nor you, yourself, speak about - extremism. I also deplore the treatment of their children and women, which is something neither you nor the others have done. Your determined blindness allows this causing you to be as guilty as those the perpetrate these heinous crimes.
 

Ken D (32)
Friday August 12, 2011, 2:47 pm
Gillian - (as if you didn't know. . .) - Accusing someone of being anti-semitic is a tactic to deflect and divert attention from the real problem, while stifling FREE SPEECH when others criticize Israel's criminal human rights abuses. It is also used to inflame passions and mislead public opinion by invoking a word - anti-Semitism - that we have been well-conditioned to condemn above all other forms of racism or prejudice."
 

Alexa R (319)
Saturday August 13, 2011, 12:24 am
Ken: "Accusing someone of being anti-semitic ....... while stifling FREE SPEECH..."

Where have Gillian accused anyone of anti-Semitism in her post?!?

Gillian I think you touched a nerve with Ken when you merely mentioned the word anti-Semitism in your post .. perhaps he's trying to stop you uttering the word anti-Semitism .. wonder what else he might try and stop you from saying ..

 

Mary P (157)
Saturday August 13, 2011, 3:23 am
Gillian, "anti-Semites nor you, yourself, speak about - extremism. I also deplore the treatment
of their children and women, which is something neither you nor the others have done."

It seems You need a pair of glasses, or you simply intentionally, OVERLOOK, statements
The we muslims make, concerning your accusations.

Well, ONCE Again, here goes: I, Mary P. and fellow True Believers of Islam, CONDEMN,
Outright, and ABHORR, Extremism AND ill treatment of women and children; which by the way, Sadly, is practised,
In all countries, all religions, all races and all cultures. Both practices are TOTALLY
UNISLAMIC and regarded as evil and sinful in Islam.

I wonder when YOU are going to REQUEST,, similiar statements, from all those
Religions(Right Wing) and communities wherein, Extremism and Women Abuse is Prevalent!!
Have YOU perhaps asked of the SAME from All the PEOPLE of Norway, for
the terrorism of the NORWEGIAN TERRORIST??
Lots of Love, peace and unity amongst ALL of mankind. GOD Bless.
 

Alexa R (319)
Saturday August 13, 2011, 3:42 pm
Mary O: "I wonder when YOU are going to REQUEST,, similiar statements, from all those
Religions(Right Wing) and communities wherein, Extremism and Women Abuse is Prevalent!! "

Sadly Mary, what you say is just partly true, only a half-truth ..

Though I'm the very first to agree that abuse of women and children happens within every religion AND among atheists, etc

VERY sadly, there are certain types of abuses that happen ONLY in Islam with the CO~NSENT of Sharia law/Islam: stoning/hanging of women and children, mutilation, suicide bombing, honor killing, legal sex-slaves ..

Don't get me wrong, I know many lovely muslims who live in England and would NEVER do any of the violent things mentioned above, so i realise there are moderate muslims who have taken on the laws of Britain together with the peaceful parts of the laws of Islam ..

But there are too many extremists in muslim countries who inforce the above mentioned violent sharia laws ..(honor killings, rape, stoning, hanging, suicide bombing, maiming, legal sex-slaves ...)

It is time Islam turns its back on the violent parts of its sharia law .. it's time Islam CLEARLY and CONSISTENTLY(without making a different between muslim and non muslim treatment) says to its followers that (honor killings, rape, stoning, hanging, suicide bombing, maiming, sex-slaves ...) are UNACCEPTABLE .. full stop.

Love, peace and unity of all humankind to you too ..
 
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