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Former Mossad Chief Seeks to Avert Israeli Nuclear Attack on Iran

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Is Israel planning an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities? For months now, former Mossad chief Meir Dagan has been publicly warning against such prospects.

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Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 5:15 am
thanks, noted

Barbara W (342)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 8:39 am
"We have to think about what would happen the day after." He has repeatedly said that an attack would have horrific consequences for Israel -- that it would be a disaster of unimaginable proportions."

AS the leader of the Mossad Meir Dagan has the experience in the field and his warning should be heeded.. The same saber rattling that went on leading up to Iraq is still going on. But the issue really is, what's really driving certain factions of Israels government to attack Iran.?

Do we care that China and even Russia have said back off. This aggression is more about coveting resources, control, then a Nuclear program! And it's hypocritical to say one country can have nuclear and another cannot. No one should have ever been allowed to build nuclear, a disaster waiting to happen.

There are many sides to this coin. And the truth, as is with most governments, ours, theirs, has yet to emerge. When is war put aside and statesmen rise to the office of reason where sanity lives?

America and Israel have become the bully's on the b.lock. Who does that serve? Those who serve gr$$d is my bet. Children, due to these wars in the Middle East, are being sacrificed not only in body but their minds are being made to fear, hate what they fear, and it's easy to see that the next generation will be anything but a peaceful soul.

We traumatize, Maim & kill the young and call it acceptable collateral damage. IT IS NOT!. It's a slaughtering of the spirit. " What Fools Rule, Where Peace Cannot Reside?"

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 9:25 am

Bob P (394)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 9:26 am

Brenda Towers (0)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 11:05 am

Aleksander L (22)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 1:19 pm
This would be the end of Israel and WW3 for rest of us!

Vicky P (476)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 1:55 pm
Israel; the trouble makers of the world, North Korea has the same thing as Iran, and no one says anything to them

Bill Eagle (41)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 3:14 pm
I would hope that we would never see the use of atomic weapons on this earth, ever again.

. (0)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 3:52 pm
This article was filled with what ifs, and what would happen if....
If Iran is found to have nuclear capabilities, Israel will take care of it. Historically, Mossad kept its information a secret. What is annoying the government is this man is opening his mouth until there is solid evidence.

Nelson Baker (0)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 3:59 pm
Thanks for the information.

marie C (163)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 4:27 pm
I hope its not crazy scare mongering by some of the press who are anti Israel
If only things would change Life is so short for all of us

Yvonne White (229)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 5:49 pm
I would Listen to a former Mossad chief if I were in the Government!

Wednesday November 9, 2011, 6:07 pm
Iran is being threatened and possibly attacked not because it has a nuclear bomb, but because it doesn't have one. No country has been as provocative to the West than North Korea. North korea has tested nuclear weapons on the 4th of July no less, shot at a South Korean submarine, and has mouth to the west consistently. They thing Iran has done was asked for an investigation into the holocaust and 911.

The US, Israel, and the west picks fights they are assured of winning. Iran just might not be the easy pushover that Iraq and Libya was.

Bruce Van Tassell (7)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 8:37 pm
Israel you have already proved how ruthless and unforgiving you can be with the Arabs within their own country. But could we skip the Nuclear attack which is sure to trigger a likewise response and all of us could go in a flash because of your hatred.

Thomas Lee B (1)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 9:21 pm
Where's the evidence that such an attack is in the works? But it is hypocritical for nations who have The Bomb to forbid it to others. There is still only one nation that has ever used them--against a defeated, helpless enemy, and civilian targets at that.

Marianna molnar woods (9)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 10:45 pm

Kamila A (141)
Wednesday November 9, 2011, 11:01 pm
There will never be a nuclear attack because that would signal the end of life in the middle east. Whoever starts it, will not remain unaffected.
I say send the clowns into the boxing ring, Netanyahoo first, since he is such a bully, and lets see them duke it out like men. Then, lets take them to the hospital for therapies and healing of their hearts, so we can live peacefully amongst one another as we want to. There is no reason why we can't do that. These fools don't represent the people of their countries, only their own selfish interests.

Parvez Zuberi (7)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 12:01 am
Israel Govt should listen to its former head of Mossad

Bob A (47)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 11:47 am
Nobody is going to attack Iran. If Israel really decided to attack Iran, we would find it from the news. Iran will get its nukes, like Pakistan did, and nobody can do a thing about that. And it's not only because Obama is undecisive and EU is half-broke. UN is run by Islamists, who won't let their masters to be hurt. And Russia and China selling technology to Iran won't want to have their customer upset.

All this talk is a ploy by some to raise the price for oil. Who would benefit from that? Looks like Saudis, Venezuela and OPEC.

Just prepare yourself for living in a world where crazy Islamists dreaming about new Mahdi coming have nukes and may thing they can speed him up.


Esther S (45)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 12:36 pm
First of all, many years ago, Iraq was beginning to build some nuclear weapons and Israel took action and destroyed it. The U.N. condemned Israel for doing so. Then years later Iraq attacked and took over Kuwait and said that Saudi Arabia would be next. Many countries including the U.S. took action and they were very glad at that point that Israel had done what they did years before because Iraq could not use nuclear weapons against all those countries during the Persian Gulf War. In addition Iran has serious conflicts with other countries in the Middle East because they are not all the same Muslims. If Iran got nuclear weapons, the danger would not just be on Israel and the U.S. Other countries such as Saudi Arabia would be in serious danger. All you need is one fanatic taking control of Iran and they would not hesitate to use those nuclear weapons to destroy and kill anyone including Muslims who are different than they are. There is a difference between a country that would only use nuclear weapons if they were desperate and had no other way of fighting back and a country run by a fanatic who doesn't care if other countries could attack them back with nuclear weapons if they used nuclear weapons against them because they figure that they would go to heaven. It would be a form of suicide bombing.

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 1:22 pm
Esther S.

Iran is "in conflict" with no country at all. It is not occupying an other country's land. It has had to fight a war recently with Iraq - and why? Because the Zionist controlled USI paid Saddam to attack Iran. On the other hand, the ionist Entity has attacked every one of its neighbours more than once. It is occupying the land of 3 of its neighbours and purports tio have "annexed" some of this real estate. The Entity has nukes. Iran does not.

For oyur information, Iraq took over Kuwait (with good historical justification) because it got a nod and a wink from the West. But Saddam fell for the ruse. He was encouraged to think Kuwait was his reward, but in fact the USI wanted to destroy Iraq as it had become far too powerful with all the weapons supplied to it to use against Iran so could threaten the Zionist Entity.

Esther S (45)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 1:54 pm
John Duqesa, you seem to like blaming Israel for everything. The fact is that Israel warned the U.S. about Iraq and the elder Bush did not believe it. The U.S. did not give Iraq a nod and a wink. They just did not believe Iraq would do that and of course they were wrong. Also there has been a conflict between Iran and many of the other countries in the Middle East because of conflict between the Sunnis and the Shiites (two different kinds of Muslims).

Bob A (47)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 2:53 pm
Esther, the question is not if Iran wants to be the boss in the Middle East- it surely does. The question is not if Ahmadinejad is crazy and militant - he surely is. And the question is not even if Israel, US and civilized world in general are under the threat - they are.

The point is, that Israel alone cannot destroy the nuke factories of Iran. Iranians learnt lessons from Saddam and Assad and made things well protected, by nature and human shields.

That's why I am saying: nobody will attack Iran and all this talk is to raise oil prices.


Alicia N (87)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 3:04 pm
noted with appreciation.

Bruce Van Tassell (7)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 3:11 pm
Oh why all these weapons have just been sitting around all these years, we all knew eventually they' would be used and by whom.

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 3:42 pm
If the Zionist Entity attacks Iran, lovely anthrax spores will pitter patter down on Tel Aviv. The Zionists must be mad even to consider it.

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 3:54 pm
Oh dear Esther.

In a now famous interview with the Iraqi leader, U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie told Saddam, ‘[W]e have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.' The U.S. State Department had earlier told Saddam that Washington had ‘no special defense or security commitments to Kuwait.' The United States may not have intended to give Iraq a green light, but that is effectively what it did."

Gillian M (218)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 4:38 pm
John D, if Iran is not at war with anyone why did they try to assassinate the Saudi ambassador? The fact is that Iran wants to destabilise Saudi Arabia. You will find that the Arab countries dislike and distrust Ahmadinejad and would love to see him gone.

Wandering around with your eyes shut whilst declaring your ignorance as well as hatred of Israel and Jews (you call them Zionists) is not an argument, it merely shows bigotry and anti-Semitism.

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 4:59 pm
Gillian Miller

*3ease state the countries that Iran is at war with. Oh, you can't because there aren't any.

And you have it the wrong way round. It's the USI, the Zionist Entity and the Saudis who want to destabilise Iran.

As for the ridiculous misinformation about the alleged plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador, that is simply a lie. Have a look at the Academics for Justice website where they show that the assertion that this was linked to Iran is patently false.

Where have I shown hatred of Jews, ducky? When you can point to an anti-semitic statement that I have made, then you can wheel out the tired old anti-semite canard, which is actually an attempt both to shut people up and to try to delegitimise them to other people. Until then, just bog off.

Michael M (35)
Thursday November 10, 2011, 9:35 pm
The war criminal Netanyahu had better be prepared to protect every Jew everywhere should they once again ignore international law and be the aggressor.

Esther S (45)
Friday November 11, 2011, 4:06 am
John Duqesa, as far as Iran trying to assassinate the Saudi ambassador is concerned, I did a search and I found a whole lot of news stories that stated that it was true.

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1067)
Friday November 11, 2011, 4:16 am
I find it entirely comical and incredibly inappropriate that John would refer to Israel, a legitimate state whose sovereignty was acknowledged by the UN over 60 years ago, as "the Zionist entity" Shades of Harry Potter John--"he who must not be named". As if we would really seriously refer to Iran as "the Shiite entity" or say, Syria,, as "The Baathist entity" when speaking about those nations.Really nonsensical and self-serving, John--names and labels do really tell a lot about their authors!!!



AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1067)
Friday November 11, 2011, 4:56 am
BTW Wikipedia says that this is the definition of Zionism:

Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is a Jewish political movement that, in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland.[1] Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to advocate on behalf of the Jewish state and address threats to its continued existence and security.

So, while like John says, not everyone who does't support the self determination of the Jewish people to a national homeland is anti-SEmitic, ther is defnitely a double standard if you then turn around and suport the self determination of other minorities like say, Palestinian arabs to a homeland. None of us is empowered alone to be judge and jury onwhich peole deserve a homeland and which don't. If you have trouble with this line of thought, i ask that you consider and answer this question for me:

Why DON"T Jews deserve the right to self determination in a homeland of their own, whether in modern day Israel a or otherwise?

If you can't answer it very clearly, you're not alone.

I've never seen anyone here answer that without going into shades of a double standard whereby it is OK to advocate statehood and the right of self-determiation for certain people in one group or groups and not other peoples . To me, human rights is a blind universal principle. It either works and is applied to everyone or it works for no one. This doesn't mean that there's prejudice attached, but maybe in some cases a shade of ignorance.

Both Jews and Palestinian Arabs deserve a homeland of their own. End of story--let's not champion ourselves as the upholders of human rights while pretending that only some deserve the privilege of our support in this.


Past Member (0)
Friday November 11, 2011, 5:04 am
Esther S.

A load of news stories from partial sources. Please look at some proper analyses and then get back to me.

Past Member (0)
Friday November 11, 2011, 5:20 am
Well Cal, now I know why you post so many anti-Arab/Muslim stories.

You try to persuade with the ridiculous assertion that Jews are treated by a double standard. They are not. There is no "Jewish people". There are Jews who are English, Moroccan, Kazakh, Armenian and so on. We don't have states for Catholics or Mormons, so why on earth you should think that the Jewsih religion should have one is patently absurd. And why you should add to this absurdity by thinking that it's fine to establish a state for foreign Jews on the land of the peoiple who'd actually been living there for centuries and fine to have these people expelled is beyond me. When this is folowed up by wars of aggression by this Jewish state against every single one of its neighbours on numerous occasions and the continued theft of land from the little left to the Palestinians, you add insult to injury.

The Zionist Entity was established during the last gasp of colonialism. It wouldn't've stood a chance after Macmillan's Wind of Change speech. IKt is an historical anomaly and a massive wrong perpetrated by Europeans against "darkies". The only way to correct this wrong is for there to be a unitary state in Palestine where those who colonised part of Palestine can either stay or go. After all, many 100s of thousands have already left and many 100s of thousands more have either kept their real natioanlities or are queuing outside E European consulates in the Entity to get their real nationalities back. Those from Morocco have a RoR, something the Entity refuses for the very people they ethnically cleansed. Indeed, increasing numbers are returning here. In the town in which I live there is a new Jewish quarter and synagogue where many returned Jews have come back to their real country.

As Nrs Dayan said, "Zionism has run its course".

Past Member (0)
Friday November 11, 2011, 5:21 am
Netanyahu doesn't care that on the day the Zionist Entity attacks Iran, if this ever happens, that 1000s of Jews all around the world will die.

Esther S (45)
Friday November 11, 2011, 7:56 am
John Duqesa, first of all if a whole bunch of news stories state it is true you would only believe it if it was something against Israel.
Secondly, the reason why the Jews were given that land to have their own country was because for hundreds of years, the Jews were never given any rights in most all of the world. Remember the Spanish Inquisition? Remember what the Nazis did? When the Nazis even gave the option to other countries to take the Jews, no country would do so. I suspect that it was because of the Great Depression that they did not want any more immigrants because of the high unemployment that they already had. Later when they realized what was done to the Jews because of that, many of the nations knew that was very wrong and they wanted to make sure that the Jews would have their own land so such a horrible thing would not happen again. Thirdly most of the land given to the Jews was worthless desert land where no one could live. Israel made it what it is today. In addition Jews had also lived there many, many, many years ago and their land in the Middle East had been taken from them. Also many of the so-called Palestinians were born in surrounding countries and were forced out so they could be used for the purpose of claiming the land, etc. The reason for this is that the Muslims could not tolerate the idea of any country in the Middle East not being run by Muslims. That is why they don't want Israel to exist. If they get their way, then they would want all countries run by what they consider to be the "right" kind of Muslim and it would not just be in the Middle East but all over the world.

Past Member (0)
Friday November 11, 2011, 10:25 am
News stories that simply repeated what they were fed. Not analysis.

"the Jews were never given any rights in most all of the world. "

So what? Does this mean that they should be given someone else's country and moreover expel the population?

"the land given to the Jews was worthless desert land"

That is a lie, of course. Palestine fed itself, was cho-a-bloc with citrus groves and olive trees before the Jews colonised. What do you think the people lived on? Kiwi fruit from New Zealand?

"Jews had also lived there many, many, many years ago"

So what? Should the Welsh and Scots get England back, expelling the population?

"many of the so-called Palestinians were born in surrounding countries and were forced out"

That is another lie, of course. And in any case, what connection do the colonising Jews have to Palestine? None at all.

"Muslims could not tolerate the idea of any country in the Middle East not being run by Muslims"

Another lie. They do not like the idea of people, including a sizeable number of Christians being forced out of their own land for the sake of European colonisers.

"then they would want all countries run by what they consider to be the "right" kind of Muslim and it would not just be in the Middle East but all over the world."

Swivel-eyed, racist nonsense.

Esther S (45)
Friday November 11, 2011, 2:21 pm
John Duqesa, I could give you links, etc. to show you the true facts but it would be worthless since you would not believe anything unless it is against the Jews. It is a fact that a good portion of the land given to the Jews was desert land. It is also a fact that the "Palestinians" who did live in that area were told by the surrounding Arab countries to leave that area and come to their countries because they intended to attack Israel. In other words they were not forced out by the Jews. Then after the surrounding Arab nations attacked Israel but it did not work out like those nations thought it would. the" Palestinians" including those who were born in those surrounding nations were forced to go back to what was now Israel because they were going to try a different method to erase Israel from the map. Another fact is that the different Muslims have fought violently with each other over the years. In addition, it is not a question of the Jews just not having ordinary rights is concerned. It is about the fact that they were tortured and killed. Also they were forced out of that area in the Middle East. You state it does not matter. Then consider the fact that the British had control of the land at the time that the land was given to the Jews to create Israel. In other words the "Palestinians" did not control that land at that point either.

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1067)
Friday November 11, 2011, 2:27 pm
John, please don[t criticize m choice of stories when you post none at all. the hypocrisy and stupidity of your claim is baseless. I have posted many even handed articles but your experience here has not chosen to accept that so I suspect that it may be fruitless trying to prove the point to someone who has a closed mind.You can choose to de-legitimize anyone or anything you want without evidence, but your lack of experience and credentials make that both incredible and not worth the words I am using. I have no further use in debating points with you here or in the future..Ffortunately we are all free to believe in anything we want, however fanciful, facetious and misguided.

Past Member (0)
Friday November 11, 2011, 3:56 pm

Unfortunately, these "facts" you keep talking about are simply assertions by you. The only links that might suppoirt you would be to discredited pro-Zionist sites.

Get a grip, for heaven's sake.

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 9:17 am
Yhank you Margaret. I find it extremely taxing and annoying to have to educate those, such nas Esther, who simply see what they want to see and who use the Hasbara Handbook to try to convince others.

Your presentation of the facts in a cool and reasonable manner was wonderful.

Hartson Doak (39)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 10:30 am
Religious and political strife are all going to pale in the face of the collapse of the global society. We are going to have to pull TOGETHER for humanity to get though the coming mess that the greedy few have pushed onto the rest of us. The people in Iran will one day soon have their Spring. There will be no need for the Iranian nuclear program to be bombed. The people will shut it down. Israel is in a defensive mode because of CONSTANT attaches by a few who lob missiles into their country.

Thank Cal! You are one of the thoughtful, even handed commentators.

Now to get Biblical, does it not say in the Bible that Israel will become a Nation again. This is a promise made to the Jews. This is also supported in the Koran. Now if both these peoples would read THEIR own Holy Books. This conflict would stop..

Bob A (47)
Monday November 14, 2011, 10:13 am
Margaret, where did you get the numbers from to start with, and secondly, why do you lump up all Muslims into one group?

Turks are no Arabs, so there number has to be deducted as they don't claim another Turkish state. Druze have to be deducted from the count. Bahai., Ishmaeli and other moderate Muslims, who live in peace with Jews in Israel have to be deducted from that number.

After all, we are talking about Arabs who are claiming the 23-rd Arab state and a second state of Palestinian Arabs, and not Turks establishing a second Turksih state, or Druze state, etc.

Secondly, what do these numbers of Muslim population show, no matter how exgagerated they are? Jews owned lots of land in Arab lands and their population in Arab countries was counted in hundreds of thousands before they were robbed and expelled. Both types of refugees - Arab and Israeli - deserve equal type of compensation.

Let Saudi chip in with their OIL billions, they have enough for all refugees - we already paid our dues to them at the gas pumps.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 15, 2011, 2:12 am
Jews were not forced to leave Arab lands.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 15, 2011, 5:34 am
Thanks Margaret. I look forward to that.

Tuesday November 15, 2011, 1:48 pm
Bob - I have provided those numbers for you many, many time. In addition, since it was pre-Israel and the demographics were divided upon religion affiliation, that is why it is stated as Muslims, Christians and Jews. How else would you want to define this. In addition, as to lumping together, these people all lived in Palestine at the time. No like you when you lump togethter Muslims and Arabs from all countries and put them in one big pot. As for citation, so sorry, I forgot to put it down. The statistics came from "*DellaPergola, Sergio, Demography in Israel/Palestine: Trends, Prospects and Policy Implications (drawn on work of Bachi 1975)" which was independently verified against Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics, compiled by Robert M. Selzer, Walter Laquer, Martin Gilbert and Howard Sacher. Does that answer your question???? Also, now you want to go and give the Palestinians to the Saudis. WTF, Bob, if you are going to debate or argue a point, at least use a reasonable argument. What is next, why don't we just exterminate them? John, yes unfortunately some Jews were tricked into leaving Arab lands and even worse.. For instance, In an article titled "The General with a Phantom Army," which appeared in the Jerusalem Post (October 7, 1978), Meir Merhav described how unwilling Jews were to immigrate to Israel: In the history of Zionism and the State of Israel, there has never been a mass emigration. The radical or Zionist Jews always arrived at the country in small groups and in small numbers. When these idealists realized that the facts were not as they dreamt, they left Israel. All Jewish communities preferred to immigrate to other places rather than Israel, even in their most troubled times. Only 60 thousand of the 300 thousand Jews of Germany emigrated during the period 1933-39. Most of them did not even think of immigrating to Israel. This applies to other Jewish communities as well. The 50-60 percent of the Russian Jews who are the most downtrodden desire to go elsewhere than Israel. We do not like these facts, but there is no way to deny them. We should understand one thing; no mass immigration to Israel will ever take place. Thus Diaspora Jews have continued to resist immigrating to Israel after its establishment, no less than they did in the 1920s and '30s. What, then, should have been done to bring them to Israel? Simply put, the answer was to repeat the earlier policy: to instigate the threat of anti-Semitism once more as a goad to drive the Jews out of the Diaspora to Israel. Some Zionists have shown little reluctance in saying exactly that. As the American rabbi Leo Pfeffer, an official of the American Jewish Congress, stated, "It is possible that some anti-Semitism is necessary to insure Jewish survival."1 In 1958, Nahum Goldmann, President of the World Zionist Organization, emphasized Zionism's inevitable need for anti-Semitism and warned that a current decline of anti-Semitism "might constitute a new danger to Jewish survival."2 1 The National Jewish Post and Opinion, October 6, 1959 2 107 New York Times, July 24, 1958 I actually have much, much more, but have to leave for work. To insinuate that 850,000 Jews were forced to leave Arab lands is not only disinformation, it plays right into the hands of those who wish to perpetuate the hasbaric narrative of myth. This is not to say that Jews were not persecuted throughout history, nor is it to say that no Jews were forced from their homeland. But the claims of a mass exodus of Jews due to antisemitism and forceable methods is patently false. To exaggerate this part of history is pathetic. I will ensure to address the rest of this later.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 15, 2011, 2:56 pm
It is clear, sadly that the Zionist Entity and the USI, the only country to have used nuclear weapons in a war, have learned little or nothing.

Tuesday November 15, 2011, 7:00 pm
All I want to say further on this, The Lavon Affair.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 2:07 am
And Giladi's "The Jews of Iraq".
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