Tuesday January 31, 2012, 3:51 am
It's difficult to decipher who's at fault. I believe that Homeland Security is funding the cops to act in intimidating ways and to use excessive force and to be overly militarized. I know here in NYC they have dug up from archives - archaic laws to arrest people with absolutely no substantial evidence of "wrong doing" - it's provocative, it's directed toward "occupiers" specifically, and it provoking! This type of behavior and confrontation from authority will only create the likelihood of violence - which of course is the goal of the police system so that they can identify "occupy" as an extremist group of anarchists. That to me is the danger of the message that occupy can't afford to have silenced. The other concern is just who is starting the disturbance, is it "Occupy" or is it infiltration by HS and fringe radical groups who actually may be anarchists? I generally shy away from conspiracy theories, but I'm curious about the rise in violence when it is a fact that occupy has devoted itself to PEACEFUL demonstration and peaceful civil disobedience, without the use of force or damage to property. I can only add support and a petition to fellow occupiers to hang on, and not resort to violence and "mob rule" - it may be tempting, but that is not our identity. Peace!
Tuesday January 31, 2012, 6:09 am
The cops are definitely provoking violence. When our gov takes away our jobs, our homes, our security, it kind of feels like there's nothing left to loose. I am not condoning violence but I understand why some people feel the need to fight back. Can't say I wouldn't do the very same thing in their position.
Tuesday January 31, 2012, 6:43 am
@ Lee E That was an excellent comment. I agree completely. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that they infiltrate the occupy groups and instigate trouble. Damn them anyway!
Tuesday January 31, 2012, 2:04 pm
I watched this protest on CNN News and listened to a reporter on the scene.
This was the mildest ever from the Protesters when compared to the previous
protests in Oakland. There was a few rocks tossed at Police and what little
vandalism that did occur was not described in detail. This crowd was very
serene. However, any violent behavior by Protesters is uncalled for.
Fire power from the law community and 400 arrests was over kill and totally
Tuesday January 31, 2012, 6:30 pm
At its core, the Occupy Movement is non-violent and peaceful. I've visited my local Occupation and found them intelligent and calm. Unfortunately, Oakland's been brutalized by police forces, (many from out-of-town), repeatedly. My belief is that there were "professional instigators from law enforcement" in the crowd who were supposed to turn it violent to make Occupiers look bad. But, you can watch for yourself at occupystream.com, and view many different cities "live." Be advised the chat room has trolls, though. If you watch long enough, you can tell the core group is filled with peaceful messages.
Tuesday January 31, 2012, 9:51 pm
Alan, graffiti and property damage is the start of what the 1% have coming for them---they deserve everything they are going to receive. Haven't you read reports of them openly mocking OWS? In my opinion the ultra-rich elite deserve no less than death. As for agents provocateur they should be forcibly stopped the minute they begin vandalizing, etc.
Wednesday February 1, 2012, 1:56 am
Oakland has had a long history of problems with police, going back way before Occupy came along...
but having said that, their Occupy is extremely well organized and i to believe it was "outside" instigaters, not Occupiers as a whole that started the violence.
But unless you're really well disciplined, human natures will always rise to the top, and there's only so much a person can take....That's your clue to chill out for awhile :-)
To early for a g/star Lee
Wednesday February 1, 2012, 6:28 am
Meanwhile, Occupy Oakland put out a call for financial aid to help some of those arrested make bail.
"Our bail funds have been dwindling significantly as a result of the police backlash against occupy Oakland in the last month. If you are able, please donate," the group said.
1 Frank H. Ogawa Plaza 3rd Floor
Oakland, CA 94612
Fax: (510) 238-4731
TDD: (510) 238-3254
We must all express our dismay of citizens being treated this way. No one should be subjected to this treatment when the people are out there expressing redress of grievances as all other ways they have expressed themselves have been shunned or dismissed.
The only ones that have had their say and way have been the 1% and they have bought out our Government. If the Government of for and by the people was really working for the People then there would be no need for Occupiers or the Occupy Movement.
We need to support each other, those people are not out there on the streets just for themselves, nor complaints of something on Oakland, they are out there for all of us, and those of us who are not there need to make our voice heard, so please email, phone, fax, snail mail, but express your mind on the treatment of your fellow citizens. With the passage of NDAA you can easily be next, so unite and support one another.
Deanna J. Santana . . . .238-3301
Edmund G. Brown
Fax: (916) 445-4633
My emails already in, and I agree with the others, great comment Lee, glad it was the top one. I also can't give you another star.....sending virtual Hug.