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Trayvon Martin Case: Use of Stand Your Ground Law or Pursuit of a Black Teen?


Society & Culture  (tags: society, politics, law, racial profiling, news, murder, ethics, culture, americans, police, rights, usa )

Cal
- 853 days ago - csmonitor.com
A grand jury in Florida and the US Justice Department will both probe the Feb. 26 shooting death of teenager Trayvon Martin. Key questions: Did the alleged gunman racially profile Trayvon? And did he use the Stand Your Ground law appropriately?



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ellen m. (233)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 7:28 pm
So far i've heard much made of the fact Zimmerman was bi-racial as a defense that because of that he wasn't racist or profiling...i guess the POS just hated lemonade and missed, right?
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 7:53 pm
Thanks.
 

Alex Keir (1)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 8:08 pm
I hope they get to the truth.
 

ellen m. (233)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 10:17 pm
Scratch the lemonade...i meant iced tea..
 

Carol H. (229)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 5:00 am
noted, thank you Cal
 

Barbara DeFratis (21)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 11:30 am
This is the abuse of the 'Stand your ground' law , in the pursuit of an African-American youth that very well may be the cause of the overturning this law--which was signed into law by then Gov. Jeb Bust--Ohhh, them Bushes!
 

Rosie Lopez (73)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 12:27 pm
thanks cal
 

Kathlene Lentz (31)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 12:37 pm
The murder of Trayvon Martin was just that: cold blooded murder by a bigot with a gun who happened to also be a member of the neighborhood watch group. He should have been arrested immediately, and hopefully will soon find himself behind bars for a very long time.
 

Michelle Lowe (9)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 12:53 pm
Kathy Lentz said it all. Thank you.
 

Janet G. (0)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 1:00 pm
Very confusing story to me. Sounds like Zimmerman was pursuing the youth and the youth got scared and ran because he knew he was on private property. This is what can happen when the law is mistakenly taken into one's own hands.
 

Phyllis P. (427)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 1:50 pm
Any one else killing someone would have been arrested, and the facts sorted out in court. I guess it will be ok for any neighborhood to have their own armed neighborhood watch and if someone accidently steps into their neighbhorhood, it's ok to shoot. This does not make sense.
 

Nancy Roussy (79)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 3:02 pm
How about we wait until all the facts are out before making an opinion out of this? None of the people who are talking about this were there so none of you know what happened! How about we all judge you before knowing your situation? Knowing all the facts before making an opinion out of a story is not hard! This crap of making someone guilty before it has been proven is sickening!
 

Christopher Fowler (84)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 3:43 pm
The "stand your ground law", a variation on the "Castle doctrine", does not apply in this case. The young man was pursued by Zimmerman, not the other way around.

The young victim was being pursued by Zimmerman and confronted him for doing so. The young victim stood his ground when he realized that Zimmerman was following him, as was his right to do so. Even the 911 calls make that clear.

This is not a case of Zimmerman standing his ground; it is a case of Zimmerman hunting another human being over a perceived threat that was never really there. There would have never been any problem if Zimmerman had followed the directions of the 911 operator that TOLD HIM SPECIFICALLY TO NOT FOLLOW the kid any more.
As of yesterday, there were other 911 tapes that have since been released, which indicate a racial motivation behind Zimmerman's actions.

If the races of the victim and Zimmerman were reversed, Then he would be in jail right now instead of walking the streets, knowing that he got away with murder.
 

ricardo Britton (1)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 5:11 pm
Under Florida law, there is no "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a lawful right to be. Instead, you may stand your ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others.

This law is supported by the Powerful NRA and the Republican legislature in Tallahassee who are like hand in glove. The NRA is a wealthy interest group that donates millions to corrupt politicians who have no humanity. How can we prevent such a tragedy of this magnitude from reoccurring?
The answer is to punish those that violate the laws. Ilk’s like Mr. Zimmerman break the laws and try to use feeble alibis such as self defense. He was clearly not threatened with any force from this young man. There were no weapons on Trayvon Martin.

Mr. Zimmerman saw a black teenager who was walking on the grounds of the apartment complex and his antennas went up. He assumed that he was up to no good. These were his exact words he used on the 911 tape.

According to social psychologist Gordon Alpert ” Prejudice is thinking ill of others without sufficient evidence”. Assuming Tryvon was up to no good is a typical response of someone who harbors negative stereotypes of others. When will people stop hating? , when will the violence ends?
Dr. Martin Luther King Junior once said. “Let no man pull you so Low that you hate him.
Always avoid violence. If you sow the seed of violence in your struggle, unborn generation will
reap the whirlwind of social disintegration.”

 

William Y. (54)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 7:14 pm
In any case this requires investigation and should be decided by a jury based on evidence. Just since Zimmerman claimed self defense doesn't make it so.
 

Mari Garcia (51)
Wednesday March 21, 2012, 7:57 pm
only a moron would think this wasnt racial profiling, esp since the gunmen repeatedly called 911 to report "suspious behavior" and the majority of the time, he was calling about black people, yea this guy is racist, i dont know what his race has to do with anything because even if he is half-black, doesnt mean he doesnt hate black people
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 3:31 am
Hope he get arrested
 

Willetta S. (3)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 7:44 am
I'LL BET YOU IF IT WERE A BLACK MAN KILLING A WHITE MAN WE WOULD NOT BE HEARING SOOOO MUCH ABOUT IT , ANY ONE WANT TO START A POLL TO FIND OUT..I KNOW I'M RIGHT AND SO DO YOU !!!
 

Gloria picchetti (287)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 8:31 am
I call the fla law the shoot before you think law. Trayvon appears to have been a wonderful young person. He was killed in cold blood.
 

William Koeppen (9)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 9:57 am
Where I Come From To STAND Is To Be Stationary ,,,,,,,,,,, The Dictionary Says " to be in or assume an upright position ,,,to take or be in a specified position to gather and REMAIN to HALT to be STATIONARY,,,,,,,,,,,NOT TO CHASE DOWN
 

Esther Z. (101)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 11:25 am
Noted. Persuing someone is NOT "Standing Your Ground". The cell phone recordings alone should had been evidence enough to merit arrest of Zimmerman. This case has been flawed and mishandled from the get go, and I do believe the police and Police Chief should be reprimanded or fired.
 

Donna B. (36)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 12:53 pm
Well there is an investigation going on now and I am a little bit tired of hearing about this case. I think we all need to take a deep breath and wait for that to conclude. I feel very sad for this family and I've been praying for them every day. But wouldn't it be nice to hear something else on the news... Zimmerman should have never gone after this child, I agree.
 

Tonya M. (71)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 1:05 pm
BREAKING NEWS!!! Sanford, Florida, police chief says he's temporarily stepping aside amid controversy over Trayvon Martin shooting death.

Care2 News to Note, Circulate, Share:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/489749332/3151395

 

Roger M. (0)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 1:06 pm
Thanks for the update.
 

Caro M. (71)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 2:00 pm
This case sums up what is wrong with America.
 

Sue Matheson (69)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 2:06 pm
thanks.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 2:39 pm
if there was any blood coming from Zimmerman's. nose, I hope its because Martin tried to defend himself before he was shot dead.
If this man gets away with this, there really is no social justice in Florida.
 

Fred Krohn (34)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 2:47 pm
The evidence indicates that the shooter was a wanna-be sheethead bigot. In the same situation I'd carry 'riot ammo' and no-one would be worse than knocked out for a few minutes... Our laws need to encourage the 'breathing bonus' where a suspect is preferred alive and felony perpetrators forfeit all rights when perpetrating or fleeing after perpetrating a crime. We have the right to responsibly carry and use firearms; this 'neighbourhood watch' wasn't very responsible and should get an all expense paid vacation in Gitmo.
 

Penny C. (17)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 3:52 pm
if Zimmerman was white I bet he would have been arrested on the spot.
 

Ann Breeden (65)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 6:19 pm
This is truly a tragedy for this boy and his family. I was glad to read that there would be a grand jury called April 10th. I heard later today that Mr. Zimmerman had packed up his belongings and left along with his gun, which obviously the police didn't confiscate.
The truth will come out.
 

pam w. (191)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 10:13 pm
Yes....a skinny, unarmed teenaged boy is PURSUED by a much bigger man with a gun....and he's shot? And it's considered "'OK?"

I think not!
 

l L. (1)
Friday March 23, 2012, 7:19 am
well from the pre-emptive strike people like the Bushes and the gun-ho NRA; this is what we are up against and the example set forth by our American Leaderships of all kinds. We reap the whirl- wind and wonder how we got here. It is sad.
Some people just can't feel. Can't feel until it hits their home, aw with the bunch I just fore-mentioned.
I get all of your points except the one who is tired and wants it all to go away.

I want to bring these things into play: again.

florida's Governor is the plantation owner over the city manager of Sanford. The rest are figure heads with no power.
Something is amiss, when the figureheads are running scared to do anything. Something is amiss when people would rather resign even tho they may seem pushed to do so.
4 am the news said they don't know where Mr. Zimmerman is, they can't locate him. Not surprized.
For the past 3 years this Governor has been in please, pushing his policies benefitting his benefactors and taking monies from that state's coffers.
Since he has been in office; for 3 years this problems/killings assaults have happened and swept under the rug in Sanford.
This governor has taken a troubled enviroment and capitalised on it by demonizing it's people, with a " better than you" mantra. Cutting programs and services much needed for civility and survival.
Then at somepoint he sets up a city manager with broad powers and takes away the local people's rights to particiapate in what use to be a democracy.
So; we see people in posted places running scared. What are they scared of? The likely answer is their republican governor who is really the one running the show and the city manager is just a token, with his hands tied, waiting his next order from the governor.
another thing: who is this Zimmerman person anyway. Normally when there is this much laxity; someone is related to someone big or big connections. They are afraid to touch this man,, to me ,by insights.
This 28 yr old is spanish? with a zimmerman name? He looked Spanish. But the name throws you off.
I wondered is he related to Rubio? that they wouldn't touch him. Does he belong to the police department in some form and the public doesn't know it.
I wonder about this because even the way the doj speaks of it's inabilities to do much?
for those of us hanging back from Florida it would be noteworthy to put the pieces together as they come in.

Why cause this concept of a Governor appointing a city manager and all of the components of societal ills are before us on display in Sanford. It will help us with problems this country faces at large.
May Trayvon rest in peace as we sort this out and bring justice to this situation. There are no winners here.
Just a lot of pain., everywhere.

 

Past Member (0)
Friday March 23, 2012, 7:26 am
Thanks Cal. Care2 member Susan V has created a Care2 petition...sorry I can't make it a hyperlink--

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/351/300/874/tell-all-states-to-reject-stand-your-ground-laws/
 

Ge M. (216)
Friday March 23, 2012, 12:15 pm
I object strongly to any civilian carrying a gun. In the UK our police do not carry guns routinely and, yes there are the odd shootings, but nothing like America.

Someone who shoots an unarmed child isn't using a law to defend himself but is a coward of the worst order and deserves prison!
 

Alice B. (241)
Friday March 23, 2012, 2:06 pm
Fact - the murdering bigot nutjob freak Zimmermann was not using "Stand Your Ground" legal rights when he pursued the Martin CHILD after being TOLD by the cops NOT TO DO SO, after Martin had left the immediate area moving AWAY from Zimmermann.
The law is a terrible law - but this POS murdering moron doesn't qualify to use that law as a defense. I'm a retired legal staff support person for our local County Attorney's office, juvenile prosecution section. This whole case is a travesty. The MURDERER needs to be arrested, charged, and stuffed into a cell with a diverse set of roomies.
 

Mori H. (0)
Friday March 23, 2012, 10:58 pm
There is no defense for Zimmerman. He was told to " stand down" he did not follow protocol instead he followed the young Trayvon Martin and murdered him. Trayvon was visiting his Father and at no time did anything abnormal that anyone taking a walk might do. There is simply no defense for this murder. The man Zimmerman was out looking for trouble from every word he uttered to 911, he was projecting his imagination of wrong doing onto an innocent young man. I pray there is justice for the young Trayvon, and Justice in the form of a life sentence for Zimmerman.
 

Linda D. (41)
Saturday March 24, 2012, 8:49 am
Geraldo made the point the other night on TV that it is very dangerous for teens to go around dressed in hoods to disguise their faces trying to look like gang members up to no good. People judge you by how you dress, right or wrong. It said there was an altercation, but doesn't describe what happened. Did Trayvon grab for Zimmerman's gun out of fear? Did his cell phone look like a gun and he was only trying to call for help? Seems like they were both frightened and overreacted and it turned into a tragedy. If someone points a gun at you and says freeze, it's smart to not move and do anything to freak them out. There may have been a lot of burglaries in the neighborhood and/or drug trafficking. Zimmerman had a permit to carry a gun. Why doesn't everyone wait for the investigation to be completed? I find it curious that the president is using this in an attempt to raise his ratings and playing his often used race card again even though Zimmerman is bi-racial, but is silent on white youths gunned down by authorities.
 

Ra Sc (8)
Sunday March 25, 2012, 6:32 pm
You know who scares me? Zimmerman - the guy who shot an unarmed teenager who wasn't doing anything hostile. I suppose legally anyone who sees him and gets afraid can shoot him. I'd be afraid, after all he has a history of shooting random people. I don't support the death penalty, but it would be fitting for him to lose any right to legal protection if somebody shoots him for being scary.
 

Yvonne F. (163)
Saturday April 7, 2012, 8:24 am
What a tragedy!!!! This cannot go unpunished! Thanks Cal for posting! May he rest in peace!
 

Linda D. (41)
Friday April 13, 2012, 7:17 pm
Actually, fists and brute strength are weapons and can be used to kill, which is what Martin was trying to do to Zimmerman, whom he jumped him in a surprise attack and broke his nose and was on top of him repeatedly smashing his skull on the sidewalk trying to split his head open. Zimmerman had alerted the police and was waiting by the mailboxes as instructed by the police for them to arrive. There had been several burglaries in that neighborhood, and his job was to look for anyone acting suspiciously and Martin was dressed like a gangbanger wandering around in the rain and had been previously caught by police with burglary tools and had been suspended from school for using drugs. Zimmerman had no choice but to shoot Martin to prevent himself from being killed. The grand jury was dismissed and a special black prosecutor appointed to satisfy the black protestors and threats of violence, including shooting at police cars. The prosecutor decided to go for murder in the second degree, a charge that is not supported by the evidence and witnesses or police. As for the Black Panthers gang and their passing out flyers saying Zimmerman Wanted Dead or Alive with a large monetary reward, no action or arrests have been made and their behavior seemingly condoned. The United States is becoming a very racially divided place because of legal injustice and the race card being played by Obama and his side kick attorney general Holder, who also took no action against the Black Panthers when they threatened white people and prevented them from voting in the last election.
 

William Y. (54)
Friday April 13, 2012, 10:21 pm
@ Linda D. Evidence please. As for the prosecutor, she is the whitest "black" I have ever seen. The police told Zimmerman to stay put but Zimmermann continued to follow Martin. How do you account for no physical injueries when Zimmermann was picked up. How about the boys cries for help when Zimmermann was threatening him.It is the National rifle assn who wants this dropped otherwise some thugs, like Zimmermann might not be allowed to carry guns. Explain how a 28 year old man can't fend off a 17 year old without shooting him. Zimmermann is a wimp. If he had respected what the police told him to do, there would have been no altercation.
 

Linda D. (41)
Tuesday April 17, 2012, 3:02 pm
Here's a copy of the police report: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-police-report-reveals-crime-scene-details-175656087.html Also, after the police finally released him because he had shot in self defense, he was treated at the hospital and had bandages on the back of his head and a bandage over his nose which his neighbors said was very swollen. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-florida-shootingbre83f19y-20120416,0,5993690.story Zimmerman's job was to be on the lookout for suspicious people, and Martin fit the profile of the neighborhood burglar who was described as wearing a hoodie and fitting the physical description. He kept him in sight and was not following him, but obeyed police instructions to go wait near the mail boxes for the police to arrive on the scene. Martin took off and he lost sight of him and thought he had gotten away, only Martin snuck up on him and broke his nose knocking him to the ground and straddled him smashing his head trying to crack his skull open. Zimmerman yelled for help, but no one came to pull Martin off. He is much smaller than Martin. He had to shoot him to save his life. Or should he have handed the gun he had in a holster on his belt to Martin and let the over six foot tall 175 lb. almost 18 year old gangsta shoot him? What would you have done if someone was trying to kill you?
 
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