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60 MINUTES: Christians of the Holy Land

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The exodus from the Holy Land of Palestinian Christians could eventually leave holy cities like Jerusalem and Bethlehem without a local Christian population, Bob Simon reports. Why are they leaving? For some, life in the middle of the Israeli-Palestinian

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Past Member (0)
Sunday April 22, 2012, 9:25 pm
Good to know. Thanks for sharing.

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday April 23, 2012, 9:15 am
Thank you Cal for posting. The issue is critical, yet almost never raised in US Media: Christians are abused and expelled from Muslim lands, including Palestinian Arab territories, funded by US taxpayers. Bethlehem has lost its Christian majority long time ago, and now Islamists are making life of the remaining Christians unbearable.

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1067)
Monday April 23, 2012, 2:53 pm
Thanks all. I cant wait to see the comments on this one!

Carmen S (611)
Monday April 23, 2012, 3:37 pm
thanks for sharing this, Cal

. (0)
Monday April 23, 2012, 4:03 pm
I love the fact that Bob Simon kept pushing the question if the Israelis were the cause of Christians leaving. The answer was always it had nothing to do with the Israelis who accepted the Christians- it had to do with the Muslims.
This is not reporting, it's interviewing, looking for the answers THEY want. I'm sorry that Mr. Simon found out that it's the Arabs who cannot tolerate religious differences; the Israelis can.

John B (185)
Monday April 23, 2012, 6:25 pm
Thanks for the posting cal.

Jay S (116)
Monday April 23, 2012, 11:24 pm
There was a recent article along these lines where a church was declared illegal by the Palestinian Authority government in Bethlehem ( ) and we read that Christians are under increasing pressure to convert to Islam.

In Gaza the Christians (along with persecuted gay people) have been fleeing for some time and we've read how Christian women are being forced to wear Islamic veils or risk beatings in the streets or acid in the face.

It's interesting how much this program did NOT say as the mainstream media has been ignoring the persecution ethnic cleansing of Christians from many Muslim ruled lands. Coptic Christians in Egypt (the original Egyptians conquered and oppressed by Islam for centuries) are being driven out by the tens of thousands.

Over 300 churches have been destroyed in Indonesia, the one Muslim ruled land that is always held up as the most tolerant, and Christians recently held a peaceful vigil asking for their religious freedom and the return of confiscated churches (

Christians are being murdered, their shops, homes and churches destroyed from northern Nigeria to Sudan, Somalia, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, to Indonesia.

A leading Islamic authority just issued a recent fatwa calling on Muslims to destroy all churches in the Gulf Region, home to 1 1/2 million Christians( ). Kuwait is considering banning any more churches being built.

Turkey, which committed genocide (the first time the word was used) against 3million Greek, Armenian and Assyrian Christians in the 20th century, is still systematically destroying what is left of the once thousands of churches and monasteries there, in this land that was once the great Byzantine Greek center, where Greeks had lived for 8000 years before invading Muslim Turks conquered them.

Yet there is silence in the MSM. Why? If this was happening to Muslims it would be headlines and politicians would be outraged. Obama would send in the marines to save them, wouldn't he? Yet when leaders from Middle Eastern Christians tried to meet with Obama to beg for his help in stopping the ethnic cleansing of the native Christian populations by the occupying Muslims he refused to even see them!! His Muslim Brotherhood 'advisors' apparently advised him not to.

Care 2 couldn't Care Less either. When's the last article you saw on here about the ethnic cleansing of Christians all over the Muslim controlled world? Only in C2NN member contributions. Otherwise Care2 doesn't Care. Oh, but let some nut threaten to burn a Qur'an and the outrage is stunning! (not so when Iran burned 6500 Bibles though, you'll note). Care 2's pro-Islamist and anti-Christian stance is glaringly obvious.

A recent article about the head of the BBC makes it all clear ( ) - he said the BBC and media feel free to mock, demean and ridicule Christ and Christianity because they know no one will riot and they don't have to worry about being murdered. He said they give a soft touch to Islam because they fear the violence any reporting of Islamic atrocities will bring, and they're afraid for their own safety and lives.

That says it all.

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 12:01 am
Many changes are afoot for Christians - and many horror stories abound. The EU is generally thought to be a "Christian Club' according to Turkey. The EU have now allowed Turkey into the fold - and that really is rich - since Turkey has an appalling Human Rights record. So Christians - everywhere - had to make their voices heard otherwise they will end up like the Ouslem bird - with it's neck clearly wrung by the Satanic cult that is ISLAM. Israel is one place where Christians can feel safe - so why are they leaving?

Tommy S (11)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 1:04 am
I really must ask-- Did anything good ever come out of islam ??
After all its leader was a bandit with no moral scruples--

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369 :
Narrated by Jabir bin 'Abdullah
Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."

and there you have it--- lies and murder in a few short lines

Jennifer Ward (40)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 5:03 am
So terribly sad. I'm sick of hearing about 'poor little Palestinians, it's all the Jews fault'. No it's not.

monica r (41)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 5:40 am
Any site of antiquity having historical value to any aspect of humanity that is NOT ISLAM will probably be destroyed when it is completely in Muslim hands. Wasn't one of these sites already heavily vandalized and Bibles used for toilet paper when Muslims were holed up in there?

And they are desecrating graves in Libya, the giant Buddhas were dynamited, priceless Egyptian antiquities including some of the King Tut items and Napoleon's catalogues are destroyed forever. These barbarians respect nothing that isn't them.

Vlasta M (7)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 8:35 am
How much more events of Christians leaving in droves Muslim-majority countries will it take to understand that Islamic teaching are the cause. Read Koran and hadith to understand that islam is a supremacist ideology of hate of non-Muslims similar to Nazi supremacist ideology. In Muslim countries they teach their children to hate the Jews and now Christians too, since Jihadists are taking over everywhere where Muslims are a majority, encouraged by the Western political correctness that plays kum-ba-ya with Islam, encouraged by a US President who behaves more like a Caliph in Chief than Commander in Chief. Obama bows to Saudi king whose subjects committed 9/11, and extolls islam and Koran while dissing Bible.

Naturally, Muslims and white washers of Islam and politically correct fools blame the Jews and Zionists for all their dysfunctional, corrupt, and hateful behaviors...that is a part of Islam supremacist ideology too...

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 9:22 pm
This is really sad!!! Where are these people all going then if they are leaving? I can't believe the amount abuse against Christians in that part of the world! It's really a depressing thought to think the Muslims will come in and destroy everything sacred of Christian values!! There will come a day when they will deal with their maker in spite of the fact they think it is Alah!!

Charles O (209)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 9:22 pm
From the story:

> Mitri Raheb: If you see what's happening in the West Bank, you will find that the West Bank is becoming more and more like a piece of Swiss cheese where Israel gets the cheese that is the land, the water resources, the archaeological sites. And the Palestinian are pushed in the holes behind the walls.

> Israel built the wall over the last 10 years, which completely separates Israel from the occupied West Bank. The wall was built to stop Palestinian terrorists from getting into Israel. And it's worked. Terrorism has gone down 90 percent.

> At the same time, the wall completely surrounds Bethlehem, turning the "little town" where Christ was born into what its residents call "an open air prison."

-- "Christians of the Holy Land", Bob Simon, *CBS Sixty Minutes*, 22 Apr 2012

Explain to me how this is all the fault of Demon Islam.

Charles O (209)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 9:29 pm
From the story:

> Claire Anastas: I tell them, we have to stay. We need to stay and struggle and fight. This is our cross.

> For all Palestinians, just leaving Bethlehem is a struggle. Getting to Jerusalem, only seven miles away, whether it's to pray, go to a doctor, visit family members, or work, means going through this Israeli checkpoint. That can take hours but before Palestinians can get even this far, they need a permit from the Israelis which can take weeks or months to obtain and is frequently denied.

-- "Christians of the Holy Land", Bob Simon, *CBS Sixty Minutes*, 22 Apr 2012

Can you Islam haters see why people might not want to live in an "open air prison", with their bedroom window facing an Israeli guard tower, where it takes hours to go seven miles because people are being brutalized and humiliated at an Israeli check-point, even when they have the permits? Would YOU want to live under such repression, year after year, decade after decade?

Charles O (209)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 9:34 pm
From the article:

> Zahi Khouri is a Palestinian businessman. He owns the West Bank Coca-Cola franchise.

> Zahi Khouri: I'll tell you I don't know of anybody and I probably have 12,000 customers here. I've never heard that someone is leaving because of Islamic persecution.

-- "Christians of the Holy Land", Bob Simon, *CBS Sixty Minutes*, 22 Apr 2012

Charles O (209)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 9:38 pm
From the article:

> In 2009, this group of Christian activists did something unprecedented. They published a document called Kairos, criticizing Islamic extremism and advocating non-violent resistance to the Israeli occupation which they called a sin against God.

> It was endorsed by the leaders of 13 Christian denominations including Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Lutheran and Anglican.

-- "Christians of the Holy Land", Bob Simon, *CBS Sixty Minutes*, 22 Apr 2012

Note that the Christians are not struggling against Islam. They are struggling against the fascist regime in Tel Aviv and the superpower that backs this war-crazed regime. They called the perpetual occupation "a sin against God".

Charles O (209)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 9:45 pm
Millions of Americans who call themselves "Christian" actually worship the fascist man-made regime in Tel Aviv. They have made that regime their Golden Calf and their Sacred Cow. The regime can do no wrong, in their eyes: It was Born Without Sin.

These American idolators have no sympathy for the real Christians who are struggling to survive in what is left of Palestine. What ever happened to "love your neighbor"?

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 11:33 pm
What Gives Me Hope Nothing! -- I live in the present, not in the future. Abandon hope, all ye who enter here!

Charles....I can see why you have the outlook you do!! You are doomed from the start!!

Charles O (209)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 12:26 am
Yes, Carol, I am doomed to celebrating life as it is, living in the here and now.

For 44 years, Palestinians under occupation have been hoping for peace and freedom, and because they hope, Israel has been able to string them along. If I were Palestinian, I would abandon such vain hopes. Instead, I would face the current situation and make the best of it. I would not hold my breath waiting for Israel to repent.

I struggle against our trillion-dollar war industry, because I fear that our addiction to war will destroy the planet, and because I oppose injustice, and war is the supreme injustice. I struggle because it's the right thing to do, not because I hope to win. What can one person do, against the biggest military empire in history? Nothing. So hope leads quickly to disappointment. I am better off without it. I rely on duty, instead. My duty is to serve humanity: I don't need more than that.

Fred H (31)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 9:13 pm
The CBS story blamed everything on Israel, even though Israel is the only Middle Eastern country where the Christian population is growing instead of declining. And, they ignored that the problems for Christians began only after Israel handed control over to the PA. And, they ignored the history of the Muslims taking over the church in Bethlehem to use it as a sanctuary (and urinal). And, they quoted an "expert" who said he could find no Christians who accuse Muslims of discrimination -- while just staying in my hometown in California, I've met them with no trouble. It was a hatchet job!
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