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Wilde T (10)
Friday May 11, 2012, 4:12 pm
Now we can add the Romney background of gay bashing or bullying in prep school. The organization may have impact on the conduct anbd agenda of such a stealth Preisident. Much has been learned about human behavior since the dark ages of sexual ignorance. All ancient religious prohibitions have to be weighed against since superstituion and lack of understanding. Running on ancient manuals is like trying to live in the eras in which they were written and in todays world all at the same time.


Past Member (0)
Friday May 11, 2012, 5:56 pm

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday May 11, 2012, 8:06 pm
1993: LDS Elder Boyd K. Packer declares the "gay-lesbian movement" one of the main "dangers" that "have made major invasions into the membership of the Church."
Aha! so THAT'S the reason for the Mormon's hostility!
They must be losing LOTS OF YOUNG PEOPLE who have seen thru the UTTER BLITHERING NONSENSE of Mormon Doctrine -- and a number of these Young People might be Gay!

ALL Gay People should leave ALL restrictive religions -- like the Vatican Roman Catholic Church, and others -- rather than "trying to change them". Don't worry, YOU WON'T GO TO HELL, THERE IS NO SUCH PLACE. The Churches' ONLY HOLD, is thru SUPERSTITIOUS FEAR of what doesn't exist!

The Mormon Cult is utter Superstition like the others -- they're all LAUGHABLE, but the Mormons, with their Magic Underwear and other uniquenesses, must REALLY EMBARRASS most sensible people, especially the Young People exposed to alternative ways of thinking!

Past Member (0)
Friday May 11, 2012, 9:47 pm
Thanks for the update.

Susanne R (235)
Friday May 11, 2012, 10:24 pm
Interesting article, Cal! Thanks for posting it.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 4:09 am
thank you for article

Nicole W (646)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 5:15 am

Jay curnow (196)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 5:33 am
Sadly most ..if not all religions have taken it upon themselves to set up "doctrines" to abide order to segregate themselves from the the "masses"....& many claim Jesus christ as their founder!...yet he himself having studied the religions of his day...chose to follow none of them...but set up a code so unique that was based on his own "instinctive love"...& belief in freedom of choice!....he wasn't afraid to voice his opinion on what he felt was wrong....& in what he knew to be right he set himself up as an example that others would do well to follow....where personal choice didn't inflict cruelty or unnecessary suffering on others he chose it seems to "let it be"....but set out very clearly the things he felt really mattered in order to share a full happy & productive life wthout unnecessary bias or segregation!

John B (185)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 10:03 am
Read,viewed and noted. That my also explain Romney's bullying in college. Thanks Cal for the posting.

. (0)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 10:15 am
It's interesting how each decade has its political "button". If gay rights were an issue in the 1960's, Roman Catholic Kennedy would have been in the same position Romney is in now.

mar l ene dinkins (264)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 10:32 am

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 11:15 am
The LDS have stigmatized human sexuality so much that it isn't that uncommon in Utah and Idaho to hear of teens killing themselves because of their guilt over masturbation or for realizing they are gay/lesbian.

Arielle S (313)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 12:14 pm
Having had their share of prejudices against them, you would expect the Mormons to be a lot more tolerant and understanding.

JL A (281)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 12:42 pm
No surprise given how much of the funding for CA's Proposition 8 came from LDS...

Ellen Emerson (14)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 1:46 pm
So it's OK for a man to have 7 wives but NOT 1 husband

Jason S (50)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 2:03 pm

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 2:07 pm
Understanding and tolerance are not in common supply when one visits Utah.

Fred Krohn (34)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 2:25 pm
This religion had a start not dissimilar to Scientology. Joseph Smith wrote a set of rules that were arranged to promote his own ethnic group and give him access to all his community's womenfolk, and was run out of New York state for it, eventually settling in Utah and Idaho. At least L Ron Hubbard wrote Dianetics as a spoof on religion, then let it run when some bunch of idiots built a Ponzi scheme based on it and paid him royalties. He was more honest about it. Modern LDS faith still has rampant problems with both women and minorities, including Blacks, Asians, LGBTs, Native Americans, and other smaller groups not 'Joe Smith enough' for them, though it's not as bad as it was in the beginning. One of the characters in the church's origins was named 'Moroni', and the nickname 'Moroni Mitt' seems appropriate for this huckster. While he's not quite as two-faced as Borkup Obummer, he's far from presidential.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 2:28 pm
As far as I know, L. Ron Hubbard was never a grave robber or a wife stealer.

Norm C (74)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 3:53 pm
It is interesting that the Catholic Church had for at least 400 hundred years, well into the 14th or 15th centuries, rituals for same sex marriage.

Gene J (290)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 3:57 pm
They've still got a few of those kids in short sleeve white shirts out on their bicycles trying to spread their "truth", but BMutiny is right, there's no need to fight those fools from within because their stories about what will happen in the afterlife are lies. The men who made up the bible made up hell too. Why should that surprise anyone? They had to have something to threaten us with in case we didn't believe their "God told me so" story about how they came up with the various books they have used throughout history to terrorize, kill and control the masses. There is nothing to fear, there never was, apart from evil men trying to control the rest of us with lies and bluster. And make a nice living in the process.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 4:04 pm
I live in the second most mormon dominated state and less than three blocks from a mormon church...our neighborhood is the very first one the young missionaries go to when they are out spreading the "word." I get tired of answering the door. I reject what they have to say. And, I personally think they are more than a little brainwashed. However, they seem to be pretty good kids with really good manners compared to what's normal nowadays and as long as they are polite with me and my wife...I politely say, "We are not interested. Have a nice day," and shut the door. Even if I find all religion disgusting, which I do, I see no point in being rude to someone who hasn't been rude to me.

Lois K (24)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 4:52 pm
There is a reason why "Mormon" is one letter removed from "moron." I hope this nutty religion goes the way of Zeus-worship as more and more young people realize how outdated, stupid, and prejudiced its tenets really are.

bindy hopper (0)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 7:14 pm
Mormons try super hard to be behind "traditional" marriage becasue most of their religious history was about plural marriages. I think they are over compensating.

Patricia L (45)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 7:37 pm
Mormonism is just another cult, a way to control the members of its so-called religious community. They do the thinking, you do the believing and the tithing. It's not much different than other Christian churches, with the exception that it was thought up by a horny bastard who needed more than one woman to bed, clean, cook and bear children for him. I'm sure he thought it was a favor to women, since they outnumbered men at the time. All religions have been invented to control the masses, including the Roman Catholic Church. There have been same sex relationships as long as there have been people. We all are what we are and it is not good or bad, just natural. Let us all live with dignity, love and respect. You don't need 10 commandments or some slob in a church preaching his/her version of your duty to your god. Give it a rest, already.

Nancy L (141)
Saturday May 12, 2012, 8:23 pm
Hilarious. Just hilarious. You guys never disappoint

Janet B (36)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 12:06 am
gay marriage is fine! I am a Mormon! Just keep it to yourself! At least Romney is not wishy-washy either! If you are gay fine, democrats, republican, male, Catholic I do not care! Just don't judge someone until you talk to them personally! This is how I feel.

Janet B (36)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 12:13 am
Please do not judge my religion! As I do not judge yours or you! Do not cast stones into my windows or mirrors until you can throw them at yourselves or break your windows! I joined care2 to help in this world. I will not be mocked! If you want to know about my religion just ask! Do not make assumptions! Thank you! Janet B.

Rin S (10)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 12:14 am
some of the nicest people I know are Mormons, but this guy is just a complete douche.

Janet B (36)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 12:17 am
Jesus Christ was Jewish! And I would never betray him for that!

Gloria H (88)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 12:18 am
My ex husband was Mormon, he said he wouldn't work on the Sabbath. Then he and another Mormon prompty set off to do yardwork for a potential convert. With 30 wives, you can bet Joseph Smith had plenty of time to read the sunday paper while the wives did all the work, and drew straws to see who would hump him that night. Or did he romp with a couple at a time, to make sure no woman was left behind?

Rose Becke (141)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 3:31 am
what a joke the can marry many times !

Janis B (7)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 6:16 am
The mormon position is pure hypocrisy. There is no justification of paedophilia yet they espouse that so how can they judge gays? Judge not let thou be judge, guess they haven't heard that one either.

Lloyd H (46)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 7:29 am
Arielle S., the same should be true with the Black community but it is not. But there is this 'dog in the manger' syndrome, where 'civil and human rights are mine and you can not have any' based on the asinine assumption that rights and equality are finite commodities that if you share you have less; rather than the reality that they are infinite and actually increase with the number of people included.
pat L., Mormonism is long past the thresh hold between 'cult' and 'religion'. By which I mean that they have enough power an money to begin the persecution of 'others', just as all organized religions do when they grow out of the cult-hood.
The basic problem with Churches/Religious sects is first the Hierarchy that call the shots and sets the agenda based on their collective biases, bigotries and hatreds always has a totalitarian mentality and agenda. Second comes the fact that a majority follows in complete agreement and actually relishes in helping to control others because it makes them feel big. And then there is a minority of the self-delusional who are basically good people who lack the courage of the personal convictions to LEAVE a Religion that does things that they find ethically repugnant. If you find the misogyny, homophobia, racism, pedophilia of a religion, Mormonism, Catholicism, Islam, Evangelicalism, et alia, and yet remain a member, you are no better than those that initiate and actively pursue their agendas of racism, misogyny.... You can not have it both ways, you are either in or out, but you can not remain in tacit silent support of things you find ethically/morally repugnant and expect others not to classify you with the group and its leaders.

Azaima A (207)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 8:38 am
important to know. Thanks

Myron Scott (70)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 10:42 am
The Reorganized LDS has spent considerable energy and money fighting
gay marriage initiatives. What I want to know is whether it and Mitt also
oppose same sex plural marriage. For women that is. If you know what I

Living in Arizona and loving southern Utah, however, I am quite familiar
with Mormons, Jack and mainstream. I conclude that mainstream
Mormonism is not as profoundly prudish as are many traditional
Christian congregations. It does, however, channel adolescents very
narrowly into its version of acceptable adult partnership and can be
quite repressive of "different" youth.

As with any group, however, it is important, empirically and from a
progressive ethical perspective, not to generalize from group
characteristics to individual members, as Allan Y. reminds us with
reference to JFK. From my home state, I can cite two equally impressive
Mormon examples: Mo Udall, the longtime liberal Representative, and his
brother Stewart, JFK's Interior Secretary (and a far better one than Obama's),
author of "The Quiet Crisis," and one of the great figures in U.S. environmentalism.

It also is simply a matter of fact (despite my prior sarcasm) that the
Reorganized LDS no longer "espouses" plural marriage, much less
pedophilia or Warren Jeffs' (FLDS) Colorado City cult. Not keeping facts
straight should not be a progressive trait; leave that to the right. They're
better at it.

So, at least in my book, Mitt is not guilty by his association with the RLDS.
But he is guilty by (after the usual politician's waffling) "evolving" to
associate himself with his church's fundamentally wrong position on this
public policy issue. Unlike Mitt, the JFK and the other Kennedys have know
how to separate their religion's dogma from their duties to the general public.
And those latter duties are what I wish all progressives would focus on.

Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 12:04 pm
Why is it that people are so afraid of LGBT persons? Why is it that people cannot join in love and commitment no matter their sexual orientation, their religion, their economic status, their race? How does someone else's joy in love and commitment diminish mine? It doesn't!!! Any group that throws that much money into such a cause secretively is hoodwinking people, If the RC church were doing the same thing secretively, I would feel the same. ALL people have the right to live a life of love and commitment!

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 12:13 pm
A homophobe is frightened a gay man might abuse him like he does his wife or that a lesbian might steal his wife with a lot of love and kindness.

Mike m (9)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 1:36 pm
I have nothing against Mormonism (that I don't also have against any other religion). I lived with two Mormons for over a year, and they were the nicest, politest, friendliest people you could ever meet. We established early on that they weren't going to convert me to Mormonism, and I wouldn't convert them to Atheism (at the time, I was a hard-drinking Atheist, but we all got along anyway). What bothers me is when these religions decide to step out of their area of responsibility. IF you are a Mormon, or a Catholic, or a Muslim, or whatever, your religion can police your behavior. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is when they couch their efforts to limit the actions of people OUTSIDE the religion as a matter of "religious freedom." The Catholic church, for example, has every right to punish Catholics for, say, using contraception. I, however, am not a Catholic. My religion allows contraception, and be damned for the Catholic church trying to use the force of law to limit my freedom. Same for abortion, gay marriage, etc. They have it so twisted that efforts to stop them from using the force of government to live the way that they CHOOSE to live, they call against their "religious freedom." Religion is always...always...always,,.always...always a choice. IF people choose to live that way, I will not stop them. I expect to be allowed to make that same choice as an American.

Myron Scott (70)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 4:12 pm
Thanks, Michael M. You stated what I also think perfectly. It's what the two prongs of the First Amendment's Religious Freedom Clause mean to me. It's interesting that Janet D., as a Mormon, seems to be saying essentially the same thing. I think the entire Religious Freedom Clause is one expression of "traditional American values" worth preserving. Let everyone believe as they will; but keep religious dogma out of secular institutions.

Myron Scott (70)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 5:14 pm
Re Scientology: Fred, I'd be interested in a source for the claim that Hubbard initially
only intended to "spoof" religion with "Dianetics." Regardless, as you say, he accepted
royalties from Scientology when "some idiots" took him seriously. That still seems to
make Scientology a scam built on a spoof, and Hubbard a scammer.

As far as I know, Scientology still claims a religious tax exemption. So the scam
continues. It seems to me that it remains a cult, too, by preponderance of evidence, if
one uses "cult" to include any group that uses "cultic" methods of control and
manipulation. As a devout believer in the First Amendment, I would never close
it down; but I would tend to support the kind of investigation to which the FLDS
and, for that matter, a lot of small, secular, grassroots non-profits have been
subjected in recent years. If Europe can do, we can, too.

Same goes for the RLDS's anti-same-sex-marriage efforts.

BTW: A friend and client of mine has written a readable introduction to the
Scientology controversy. Although I don't share some of his metaphysics, I
recommend it. Here's a cut and paste link:

Aurea Aurea Walker (226)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 6:17 pm
Janet B I do not judge your "religion" what I do judge is some of the seriously prejudice that crosses the line.
Remember when people of color were thought to be the descendants of CAIN? how men of color could not belong to the priesthood? Oh yes your religious beliefs were divinely corrected by a message from God to then the president of the church, of course your tax exempt status was SAVED by that great message from God. How about the utter disrespect from your church baptizing the dead without their families knowledge much less permission? do not insult me by denying that, baptizing Jews that are DEAD! how many millions did the LDS "church"'spend in California against prop 8. Pedophilia and incest is still rampant within the church and polygamy is still practiced discreetly, but practiced none the less. Your religion can do whatever it wants, but when you cross the line of separation of state and church you should be taxed. And am also aware of the fact that to be a good MORMON you have to give the church 10% of your income pre-tax. Where does all that money go too? Have not seen any homeless shelters or soup line for the needy anywhere. No judgement on my part, just facts!

Marcia Oyler (0)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 7:43 pm
Remember in Nov..

Fred Krohn (34)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 8:06 pm
Add another entry to Von Junzt's 'Unaussprechlige Kulten'. Yeah, it's a fictitious Lovecraft reference, but so appropriate for some of these extremist 'religious' nutcases. 'Unspeakable Cults' was supposed to be a reference book on ancient 'evil' cults by some German wack job. It sure made for good background flavour to Lovecraft's 'Cthulhu Mythos' tales! Much of organised religion nowadays isn't much different from those Unspeakable Cults.

Jay S (116)
Monday May 14, 2012, 1:00 am
As ex-Mormons (excommunicated for being gay - 'Cast out to live with Satan and his angels for all eternity') we have little but contempt for this, just another in a long line of man-made 'religions'.

It's interesting that Joseph Smith its 'prophet' and inventer has been proven to be a fraud along with the laughable Book of Mormon, but Mormonism still keeps going, just like its inspiration, Islam, also a proven fraud. Jos. Smith was inspired by Mohammed and they both have much in common as far as their womanizing and large harem of 'wives' and the taking of other men's wives. At least Smith didn't 'marry' and have sex with a 6y/o, as far as we know.

Here's an excellent (one of many) website for those who want to know more of Mormon doctrine and practice from the proofs against the Book of Mormon (DNA of Indians prove they aren't from Israel but Asia) and the Temple and its ceremonies (Smith got the idea straight from the Masonic rites he had recently been initiated into) and other unusual and some bizarre ideas go to: Click on "Thinking of Joining Mormonism" and then on What the Missionaries Won't Tell You (and most likely don't even know themselves - speaking as ex-missionaries).

It's interesting to note that now 40% of all returning Mormon missionaries are leaving the church which makes one wonder how many who are afraid to leave don't really believe in it much either. One of us has an ex-bishop brother who admits to only believing in 1/2 of it all.

Janet B, your religion wouldn't be bothered over if it wasn't always shoving itself in other peoples' faces. Mormonism, like its model Islam, is always trying to worm itself into some position of influence and power and its anti-women and anti-gay bigotry, while not calling for their killing as in Islam, only shows how uninspired it really is, as these old fashioned ignorant beliefs are contradicted by modern scientific enlightenment and common sense.

As long as your religion is trying to oppress others by forcing its primitive views on others and restricting their lives and freedoms, it is asking for criticism and exposure as the fraud that it is. Don't play the victim when you are part of the victimizers.

Jay S (116)
Monday May 14, 2012, 1:09 am
BTW Myron Scott, you must be thinking of the FLDS - Fundamentalist Mormon church that still practices polygamy and the complete oppression of women as property.

The RLDS or Reorganized LDS church, headquartered in Missiouri, has little similarity to its Utah sister church in anyway. They have changed their name to the 'Community of Christ' and welcome gay/lesbian people, whereas the Utah branch of Joseph Smith's 'church' condemns them to their version of hell.

Myron Scott (70)
Monday May 14, 2012, 2:08 am
Yes, I started out on the wrong track there (compressing things without
thought). The LDS, the RLDS and the FLDS all are different. The first two
both officially have renounced polygamy. The RLDS also ordains women,
reputedly always ordained blacks, etc., etc., etc. One thing I don't know for
sure is whether RLDS folk call themselves "Mormons." I'm under the impression
they do. Anyway - thank you! -, you are correct that I erroneously associated the
RLDS with the anti-LGBT efforts reported in the article. S/b "LDS." I definitely
would not want to smear RLDS.

To be clear, I despise LDS Mormon those efforts; I do not despise all Mormons.
I also despise any theology that condemns gays, lesbians, etc. to Hell (whatever
"Hell" is). I do not condemn religion, generally, however,, or confuse its subject
matter with that of science. (I'm rather like Joseph Campbell on that point. Myth
has value of a different kind - sometimes positive, sometimes negative.)

As I understand it, the LDS "revelation" abandoning plural marriage was
necessary to secure Utah's admission to the Union. A necessary revelation!
The LDS's history is replete with hypocrisy - unlike mine, of course!

Not that I believe Mormon Church v. United States, 136 U.S. 1 (1890)
and Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. (8 Otto.) 145 (1878) were
rightly decided. I mean, where's the neutral legal - or ethical - principle in them?

BTW: "Islam, also a proven fraud." Source? You might find "The Passover Plot"
interesting. Better yet, "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross." Course, like
Lovecraft, they may be fiction. Like most "religious" texts.

Unlike the First Amendment.

Someone once wrote: "To respect another persons rights makes for peace"
Not to do so makes for totalitarianism. Whether Leftist or Rightist matters
but little to me.

Esther Z (94)
Monday May 14, 2012, 4:54 am
Based on a ABC investigative report, Romney gave "Four millions during the past five years, including 1.8 during 2008(the year Prop.8 was put on the California ballot.) and 600,000 during 2009." These donations were made by Romney's charity foundation called The Tyler Foundation. Also, several donations, in the form of stock holdings, were made by Bain Capital, and some of these transactions were made per Romney's "guidance".
Now, if the Mormon Church requires their faithful to give 10% of their income, and Romney is NOW worth approximately 250 million, well, you can bet
his next donation should be at least 25 million or probably more since his net worth is only an approximation.
This being the case, LGBTQ Californians can thank Romney AND the Mormon Church for taking away our right to marry and bringing hate, bigotry and fear with their support of Proposition 8!

Aurea Aurea Walker (226)
Monday May 14, 2012, 8:38 am
Myron, the quote you mentioned was made by the Mexican president Benito Juarez in 1840. The famous quote was but a small part of an incredible speech. I try to live by that quote.

Past Member (0)
Monday May 14, 2012, 8:43 am
I really think Mormons should remember the married life of their founder before telling other people how to live.

Cecily P (4)
Monday May 14, 2012, 9:18 am
Thanks, but is this any surprise?

Patricia Martin (19)
Monday May 14, 2012, 11:44 am
They, too, are entitled to their beliefs. We have no more right pushing our values on them, than we do pushing ours on them.

Angela N (0)
Monday May 14, 2012, 11:48 am
thank you.

Lynne Buckley (0)
Monday May 14, 2012, 11:52 am
It,s a shame to see the Mormons being so intolerant and ignorant again. They should sort out their own attitudes to marriage before dictating to anyone else. Same sex marriage is going to happen.

Dotti L (85)
Monday May 14, 2012, 12:37 pm
This has been a very interesting read~ the comments. Thank you for all your opinions. I have always felt that Mormonism is a cult along with so many (maybe all) religions.

Eternal Gardener (745)
Monday May 14, 2012, 3:38 pm
Michael M., exactly; LIVE AND LET LIVE!
Lots of wonderful comments!

Debra Van Way (12)
Monday May 14, 2012, 4:55 pm
It is a real shame all the different religions seem to have a "my way or the highway" ideal about their beliefs and feel the need to inflict their beliefs on others in many different ways including by force (like catholics did to some native american tribes for example). When I lived in San Diego-religious types felt the need to knock on my door and try to convert me to "fill in the blank" religion. They never once asked me if I happened to already have a religion. Depending on my mood, I would try to convert them to what ever wacko religion I could dream up on the spot. One god was named The Great Spud and the promise of never ending french fries. Another was the god of belly button lint and toe jam and how he would cause your hair to frizz if you misbehaved. I explained it all very seriously but never could convert and save any of them. They did,however, give my home a wide berth after that. Can we say SCORE?

Esther Z (94)
Monday May 14, 2012, 6:34 pm
I made an error in my prior comment when using Romney's annual tithing as 10% of his net worth, when it's actually 10% of his annual gross income; which includes ALL incomes, earned and unearned. So, regardless of how many millions Romney is actually donating, he's still an important donor who's funding the Mormon Church's anti-gay agenda.

Ricardo S (33)
Tuesday May 15, 2012, 12:48 am
Do you still remember... When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite!?
No? Then check out this article, s'il vous plaît: When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite

Ricardo S (33)
Tuesday May 15, 2012, 12:49 am
Finally... I had to create a fake Facebook account, in order to post this comment. Ridiculous. (Bad move by Care2.)

Julie van Niekerk (230)
Tuesday May 15, 2012, 6:42 am
Why are people so much against the gay humans? It is none of your business. THe only thing is if you are against gays, then make sure that you dont do gay things. If it is against the Bible, then you still dont have to worry about it because you are not gay and will not be punished. Make sure that your life is correct and stop worrying about the gay people. The Bible is also against rape and kill and adultry - see that you dont do these things. Gay people is not criminals!

Scarlett P (126)
Tuesday May 15, 2012, 8:36 am
God loves the sinner, just not the sin... Doesn't matter how many rainbows you hang over this... It's still a sin and doesn't line up with the Word of God...

LOL... Now waiting to be stoned.. But before you do... I ask God to bless each and everyone of you!!! In the love of Christ

Arielle S (313)
Tuesday May 15, 2012, 8:51 am
Scarlett, you are thinking of the OLD testament which had a lot of silliness in it - for example, if your husband died before you had children, you were required to have sex with each of his brothers until you had a son...
Christ said nothing against gays - He was the one who said "love one another" - not "love just the people you decide are okay", not just the people who have blue eyes or white skin. This sin crap is why organized religion has no appeal....

Aimee A (177)
Tuesday May 15, 2012, 11:26 am
Thanks for posting!

Dorothy A (15)
Sunday May 20, 2012, 11:52 pm
I'm just tired of old white men trying to tell me how to live. As far as I can tell men wrote most popular religion, and they didn't overvalue the female part of their group. If there is a true God, then she'll understand those of us doing our best and treating our fellow humans well, all while we avoid religion. And until I see all organized religion embracing the words and actions of Jesus, I'll keeps saying,No Thank You when they show up at my door. I'll reconsider when I see them feeding and sheltering the poor, offering comfort to the sick. All without judging those they help. I'm not holding my breath though.
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