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Recovering From the Arab Spring, at a Price


World  (tags: world, politics, LIbya, Jordan, middle-east, healthcare, Arab Spring, recovery, freedoms, conflict, 'HUMANRIGHTS!', 'CIVILLIBERTIES!' )

Cal
- 949 days ago - ipsnews.net
- The Arab Spring sent scores of sick and injured Libyans, fleeing their war- torn country, straight to Jordan, where the influx of patients is putting a lot of pressure on Jordanian hospitals and disrupting the lives of Libyan and Jordanian patients ali



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Nicole W. (644)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 1:55 pm
just awful, thanks Cal
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 5:07 pm
Noted.
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 5:39 pm
tears and prayers!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday May 14, 2012, 4:55 am
Prayers are send. Thank you, Cal.
 

ellen m. (222)
Monday May 14, 2012, 5:03 am
There will be much long term problems, but help all we must..
I have a friend in Al Hoceima who had his leg broken by the police, and isn ow having difficulty finding work as a result...and he is one of the luckier casualties of the Arab Spring..
 

Jennifer C. (169)
Monday May 14, 2012, 5:11 am
Prayers are sent too. Best Blessings.
 

paul m. (93)
Monday May 14, 2012, 6:41 am

Noted ....but don't come to Ireland,,,,because you'll get no treatment,,
 

Cecily P. (4)
Monday May 14, 2012, 9:18 am
Thanks
 

Charles O. (209)
Monday May 14, 2012, 12:19 pm
From the article:

> The Arab Spring sent scores of sick and injured Libyans, fleeing their war- torn country,

And let's remember who did the tearing. War's don't just happen. They are manufactured by those who profit from war. In Libya's case, NATO leveraged a local rebellion into country-wide devastation, with 30,000 to 50,000 "Liberated" -- i.e., killed.

In the past year, many have been gulled into hoping that NATO would attack Syria and inflict similar or far greater devastation there.

A recent article by Tony Cartalucci, based on a 2007 investigative report by Seymour Hersh, tells us that the current strife in Syria is the result of five years of subversion by the U.S., Israel, Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda.

> A 2007 New Yorker article written by renowned journalist Seymour Hersh revealed a plan under the Bush Administration to organize, arm, train, and deploy a regional army of Sunni terrorists, many with ties directly to Al Qaeda, in a bid to destabilize and overthrow both Syria and Iran. The plan consisted of US and Israeli backing, covertly funneled through Saudi proxies to conceal Washington and Tel Aviv's role, in building the Sunni extremist front. ....

> Christians are not the only minorities being targeted by the US-Israeli-Saudi terrorist front, but all minorities are as is secularism itself, being systematically targeted, as is the case after the NATO-backed dismemberment of Libya.

-- Tony Cartalucci, Extremists Ravaging Syria Created by US in 2007, 11 May 2012

Also see Brendan O'Neill, "Today's 'Islamic Fascists' Were Yesterday's Friends", 29 Aug 2006. The Muslim Brotherhood was a creation of the British Empire. Even Hamas was initially subsidized by Israel. Israel sought to use Islam to divide Palestinians and lure them away from the secular PLO.

Most people don't realize the extent to which our war-addicted empire plays both sides against the middle. Remember Iran Contra? Remember how vociferous Reagan was in condemning terrorists? It turns out he was secretly trading with them. These wars are not what they seem to be on the surface.

 

Jose Ramon Fisher Rodriguez (13)
Monday May 14, 2012, 12:21 pm
Unfortunately, the Arab world has a ton of messy issues to deal with.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday May 14, 2012, 12:50 pm
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Charles because you have done so within the last week.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday May 14, 2012, 8:10 pm
Charles, could you please explain:
"A 2007 New Yorker article written by renowned journalist Seymour Hersh revealed a plan under the Bush Administration to organize, arm, train, and deploy a regional army of Sunni terrorists, many with ties directly to Al Qaeda, in a bid to destabilize and overthrow both Syria and Iran. The plan consisted of US and Israeli backing, covertly funneled through Saudi proxies to conceal Washington and Tel Aviv's role, in building the Sunni extremist front. .... "

Why would Israel be interested in Sunni Extremist Front? Turkish Sunni extremists derailed peaceful relations between Turkey and Israel. Egyptian Sunni extremists to be in power are raising tensions on Sinai and also planning to break the peace agreement with Israel.

I could agree that Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Arab countries are behind this plan, but what would Israel gain?
 

Charles O. (209)
Monday May 14, 2012, 8:54 pm
Bob A. writes:

> I could agree that Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Arab countries are behind this plan, but what would Israel gain?

. .

What did Israel gain when it subsidized Hamas? It used Islam to divide Palestinians and lure Palestinians away from the secular PLO.

It's a "divide and conquer" strategy. Dismember the neighboring countries and reduce them to feuding tribal cantons. The ensuing strife in the neighboring countries will then take the spotlight away from the reign of terror Israel inflicts on millions of Palestinians and will allow Israel to monopolize U.S. affection and continue to pose as "The Only Democracy".

Look up the Israel's 1982 "Oded Yinon plan" and Israel's 1996 "Clean Break plan". The latter plan calls explicitly for Israel:

* to abandon the "comprehensive peace" slogan
* to "reestablish the principle of preemption, rather than retaliation alone"
* to "contain, destabilize, and roll-back" neighboring regimes
* to draw attention to Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) programs
* to focus on removing Saddam Hussein in Iraq
* to "redefine Iraq", and put the "Hashemites" (Jordanians) in control of Iraq
* to conduct military raids throughout the Occupied Territories

* to weaken, contain and roll back Syria
* to conduct attacks on Syrian territory by "Israeli proxy forces" based in Lebanon
* to engage "Hizballah, Syria, and Iran"
* to "remind the world of the nature of the Syrian regime"
* to foil Syria's regional ambitions
* to use "Lebanese opposition elements to destabilize Syrian control of Lebanon"

See FAQ: Do we really want regime-change in Syria?.
 

Terri Hughes (412)
Monday May 14, 2012, 9:06 pm
thanks Cal..............NO reason for this to be happening, VERY sad!!!!
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday May 15, 2012, 12:12 pm
Charles, no matter who wrote these plans, they didn't work.

"Hashemites" (Jordanians) are struggling against their own Islamists and Iraq is controlled by Iranian proxies - after all, its' Shia majority.

Assad kept the border with Israel quiet, but Islamists will likely start provocations, as they di in Egypt.

"Hizballah, Syria, and Iran" are not particularly engaged with Israel.

"Syrian control of Lebanon" was an annoyance for all non-Hesbola supporters, at least for all non-Shias.

When Saddam Hussein was hanged in Iraq, the ones who celebrated were Shia and Kurds, and for real reasons. Israel gained too, like did the West, but the main fenefactors were non-Sunni Iraqies.

So, considering that Sunni Islamists are as dangerous to Israel as their Shia brethern, why would Israel want to replace a peaceful dictator to a militant Sunni extremist?
 

Charles O. (209)
Tuesday May 15, 2012, 5:00 pm
Hello Bob A.. I can't tell you what Israeli rulers are thinking anymore than I can tell you what the Reaganites were thinking back in the 1980s when they gave Stinger Missiles to the Al Qaeda predecessors and bin Laden. But the following list of articles about Israel's initial support for Hamas may help:

* Uri Avnery, "Shukran, Israel", *Gush Shalom*, 31 Dec 2011

* Justin Raimondo, "Hamas, Son of Israel", 28 Jan 2006

* Andrew Higgins, "How Israel helped to spawn Hamas", 24 Jan 2009

* New York Press, "Israel's Hamas", 30 Apr 2002

* Brendan O'Neill, "Today's 'Islamic Fascists' Were Yesterday's Friends", 29 Aug 2006

* "The Hamas-Israel Connection: This is what Israel donīt tell you about Hamas", *Media Guerrilla*, 30 Dec 2008

* "More on the Hamas-Israel Connection", *Ethel the Blog*, 04 Apr 2002

* Richard Sale, United Press International, 18 Jun 2002 (on indirect finincial aid from Tel Aviv to Hamas)

* Jeffrey Steinberg, "Sharon War Plan Exposed: Hamas Gang Is His Tool", *Executive Intelligence Review*, 20 Jul 2001

* Paul Joseph Watson, "Puppet On A String: Hamas Dances To Israel's Tune", *Prison Planet*, 27 Jan 2003

* Livia Rokach, "Israel’s Sacred Terrorism",

* "Watch out! Palestinian Terrorists" -- Notice the Star of David tatoo?

* Ron Paul, "Israel Created Hamas"

* Richard Forer, "Cutting through the confusion about Israel/Palestine", *Redress News*, 21 June 2010

* Hassane Zerouky, "Hamas is a Creation of Mossad", *Global Outlook*, Summer 2002
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday May 16, 2012, 12:22 pm
Charles, I am arguing that Israel had its people in Hamas, like it has them everywhere. I am not talking 1980s.

I am saying, that as of today Israel has no reason to make alliance with Sunnis, because Sunni Arab counties or entities like Hamas are as much hateful towards Israel, as Shia countries are (Iran, and somewhat Lebanon/Hesbola).

Revolt in Syria is happening against Israeli interests, not according to them. Llike revolt in Egypt. Revolt in Tunisia, etc - all those places were taken over by the militant Islamists.



 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 16, 2012, 12:29 pm
Bob A

Are you attempting to say that the situation in Iraq as pertains now is not better than when Saddam was fully in power for the Zionist Entity? Similarly, the shattering of Syria, its ruination, its break up would be an enormous advantage for the Entity.
 
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