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Israel Moves to Improve Religious Freedom - for Jews

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For the first time, Israel will begin funding rabbis from the Reform and Conservative movements, which have long been shut out in a country dominated by Orthodox Judaism.

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. (0)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 3:46 pm
Eight years ado, I had an Israel do some repair work on my home. Eventually the question as to why he left Isael came up. He told me, he "could not take the black coats any longer" -meaning the ultra orthodox.
They had too much control in the government, and they made a person's religious beliefs invalid. He came to America where Conservative Jews, even reformed can practice as they see fit.
The idea of a woman rabbi would sent the orthodox into a fit.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 4:37 pm
Thanks for the post.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 4:58 pm
Noted. Thanks.

wolfNoFwdsPls a (135)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 9:28 pm
hur hur hur.
and Hitler increased liberty -- for the SS.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 11:55 pm
Israel is now one step closer to becoming a fully legitimate state and not just a refuge or Theocratic enclave. Israel, keep moving in this direction and the path will be made clear.

Kerrie G (116)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 12:58 am
Noted, thanks.

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 11:15 am
I'm glad to see progress from what I think is the first governing coalition which does not depend upon religious parties for its majority. I'm still wondering how Israel will phase in Orthodox conscription and try to integrate the Orthodox into general society.

Hi Heidi,

You might want a little better perspective. Are you aware that the U.K. is formally a theocracy, with the head of state also being the formal head of the Anglican Church? (The monarchy apparently holds some real power there.) Would you say that countries with anti-blasphemy laws or anti-apostasy laws are also illegitimate? Those certainly have much harsher religious restrictions upon their majorities.

Kit B (276)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 8:37 pm

Cal, you know that Israel has recently adopted policies that separate children from the time they enter public school by sex. How can men and women see one another as equal individuals if the boys and girls are treated differently. Separate but equal? That policy didn't work out too well in the US. Sure this is a policy of the orthodoxy, then again the ultra orthodox have the greatest sway in Israel.

This from the article is perhaps more defined than the title,

"I feel the discrimination all the time," says Rabbi Naama Kelsman, a dean of the Reform’s Hebrew Union College seminary in Jerusalem. "None of my weddings are recognized. We have to fight to get anything beyond the minimum. They want to exhaust us, and depress us, and we will not be moved."


Kristen H (25)
Friday June 8, 2012, 5:27 am
I guess that's something huh... wish they would stop killing palestinians and Ethiopian Jews for no reason.

Suzanne L (99)
Friday June 8, 2012, 6:47 am
Mazel tov Israel. Time for more equality in a wide range of things. Many ultra-orthodox families (usually large with lots of kids) live off the state contributing nothing to society overall. Bibi is not sympathetic to free-loaders.

Robert Hardy (68)
Friday June 8, 2012, 7:08 am
Much is to be gained in Israel by this action.

Jay S (116)
Friday June 8, 2012, 7:24 am
this is a good move. The fundamentalists need to be checked. But even with this, Israel still has more freedoms of all kinds, including religious, compared to the Palestinian-occupied territory where Christians, non-Sunni Muslims, gays and women are oppressed, tortured and driven out (if they're lucky). Where Sharia law is enforced, polygamy is legal and women are forced to wear veils or risk beatings or acid in the face - including non-Muslims.

Muslims have freedom of religion in Israel - no non-Muslims have freedom of religion in any of the surrounding black holes of Islam.

Beth S (330)
Friday June 8, 2012, 8:40 am
Yes, and I wish the Palestinians and Ethiopians would stop killing the Jews. It would be good if the Ethiopian Muslims and most of the other Islamic countries stopped killing the Christians. I think there's quite a bit of cause and effect here, with the supremacist Muslims killing every group.

Gillian M (218)
Friday June 8, 2012, 10:26 am
i agree Beth, people complain about Israel protecting their residents, that's a real no no but keep quiet about the Muslim abuses such as the murder of Christians and other non-Muslims, the abuses Hamas and Hezbollah heap onto their own people, acid throwing, rape, genocide, failing to compensate refugees, paedophilia, slavery - the list is endless!!


Gillian M (218)
Friday June 8, 2012, 10:28 am
Thanx Cal, as a "middle of the road" Jew I have always disliked not being able to sit with the men in my family yet the men could wander around in the women's section. I actively chose to become a Reform Jew and enjoy the fact that my learning and understanding is as appreciated as a man's especially as I know more than most of them!

John B (185)
Friday June 8, 2012, 11:26 am
Cal thanks for posting the article Cal. I have been following this on Israel is a Constitutional Theocracy where the Ultra Orthodox and Orthodox run the county. That I fear is what the religious right here in the US want and that is a scary thought. This country was fromed as a secular state by our Founding Fathers Read and noted.

Florence E (132)
Friday June 8, 2012, 2:09 pm
we all should be able to worship in our own way thanks for sharing

Beth S (330)
Friday June 8, 2012, 2:22 pm
It takes a lot of courage for any country in the Middle East -- the religious ground zero -- to allow religious freedom and dissent. Lord knows most of them don't. Israel has shown great courage in doing this.

Jeremy S (3)
Friday June 8, 2012, 6:38 pm
It's nice to see Israel--country of my ancestors, though I've never been there--finally growing up a little bit more.

patrica and edw jones (190)
Saturday June 9, 2012, 12:10 am
Thanks Cal - great post and very heartening.

patrica and edw jones (190)
Saturday June 9, 2012, 12:14 am
Kristen H - wish the Palestinians would stop their murderous incursions into Israel and also that their Hamas pals would cease firing their rockets too.

Carol D (346)
Saturday June 9, 2012, 9:59 am
Anything that is a positive move that makes Israel a better place yet is good! Thanks Cal!!

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 27, 2012, 2:29 am
Positive change for Israel, thank you for posting.
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