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Detention in Italy Better Than Home in Tunisia

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Illegal migration seems to be the only way out of a cycle of poverty and lack of opportunities for young men and women who see no bright spots in their future.

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Azaima A (207)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 4:22 am
rock and hard place

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 5:36 am

Alexandra Rodda (180)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 5:41 am
What can one do to help?

Rhonda Maness (580)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 12:11 pm
Thanks Cal

Rosie Lopez (73)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 1:11 pm

. (0)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 2:07 pm
Is there an answer, I don't know of one.

Beth S (330)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 2:51 pm
Cal, your empathy seems to know no bounds.

However, the economic resources and stability of Italy do.

This is unquestionably a tragic humanitarian situation. But you know, Cal, sometimes we just have to face the fact that we don’t have the answers to all tragedy for all people in all places, nor should the ruination of our countries, livelihoods, political stability, finances be made them to pay for them.

This is like a corollary for Obama’s “spread the wealth around”, instead it’s “spread the misery around”, and you know what? That is just what Obama’s been trying to do here in the U.S.A.

Hundreds of thousands of Coptic and other Christians in the Middle East and Indonesia who are targets of Islamic genocide have been begging for help or asylum in the U.S. or meetings with the president. Obama’s response: SILENCE, nothing, zip, nada. (He’s a real humanitarian, if you’re Muslim)

However, he HAS been letting in huge numbers of Muslims from all sorts of Islamic countries. The man can’t seem to let in enough, fast enough.

Although if you try to get a hold of those figures from the government, there is a de facto gag order on letting the dirty little secret out.

This tragedy is playing in virtually every Islamic country where oil isn’t paving its way.

Maybe Turkey’s an exception, but that won’t last for long, because the Islamist hardliners overthrew the Kemalist-Western-aligned government, and people should have a pretty good idea about what Islamist governments produce when given free reign, and no, it’s not much you’ll find on shelves in the West, unless it’s made with forced child labor.

Oh did I mention that Obama and Turkey’s hardline Islamist leader, Erdogan, are very, very close buddies?

. (7)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 3:01 pm
Islam does not lend itself to self-suffiency nor much of anything worthwhile. Maybe we need to send economic advisors into these failed countries, if it weren't so dangerous for them.

Robert O (12)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 6:10 pm

Aletta Kraan (146)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 6:26 pm
Noted , how sad !

Stan B (123)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 6:31 pm
I would have thought that detention in Italy is better than home in most Islamic countries, especially if you're a woman.

Marie W (67)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 8:23 pm
Fix Tunisia, not wreck Italy.

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 10:45 pm
These people should strive to make their own country a better place to live - and the west should help them wherever possible. Viewing a docu about Mogadishu yesterday - the sad,bad part of it all it that their own Governments and the Militia are so corrupt that what benefits are sent from the west - very little gets to the people.

Diane B (275)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 11:33 pm
Is there no other way to fix this problem ?
Thanks Cal

AWAY AWHILE Cal M (1067)
Wednesday August 29, 2012, 3:05 am

There are alternatives to allowing immigration by the disaffected, most of those involving radical revolution. Spain has an unemployment rate of 25% or more, and Italy isn't far behind but the conditions there are better than in North AFrica. I do have limits, Beth, and those limits have more to do with ideology and intent than where someone comes from. About 75 years ago, the west closed its doors to Jewish immigration and the result was that more of them died from the Holocaust than should have. here is plenty of documentation for that. I find you have to be careful about your generosity, but dire poverty only breeds desperate discontent, more persecution, and often times death also, sometimes mass killings by governments desperate to keep their populations captive.

As for Obama, his administration has monitored the Islamic community much more here than previous administrations also, and less so than our northern neighbor, Canada, which seems to have taken in the riffraff that we here in t heStates have refused to allow to enter.There is a need for vigilence, Beth, not a need to suppress the desire to admit people from everywhere. that's what made our country great, its' diversity. I suspect at many people here, including myself, owe our living here to reasonable open immigration policies but maybe not everyone. Maybe not Mitt Romney either.

Tommy S (11)
Wednesday August 29, 2012, 5:52 am
I think all should be accepted by the Italian government
and after all didn't Pope John Paul II state
" I have often said in other meetings with Muslims, your God and ours is one and the same, and we are brothers and sisters in the faith of Abraham."

What could possibly go wrong

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 30, 2012, 3:30 am
Noted, thanks.

. (0)
Thursday August 30, 2012, 7:37 am
In Italy we know very well the problem of illegal immigration, are a little less than two years that illegal immigrants are reported in the country of origin.
The reception center in Lampedusa is always overpopulated and there are civil unrest almost weekly.
Italy is no longer a strong country economically, the crisis is devastating; we currently have more economic resources to accommodate refugees from Africa as we have always done in the past.
The Italian media often tell stories like that of Aisha, the problem has become of entire Europe, because from North Africa never before has arrived so many illegal refugees
This is a very sad time for civil rights, the world is changing but at the moment I can not understand if it becomes better or worse
Ty so much Cal
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