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4 Ways Obama Might Win the Debt Ceiling Brawl


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Cal
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pam w. (139)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 6:55 am
I wish he'd begin by shutting down Congressional pay checks!
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 9:58 am

Deal? What deal? The republican intransigence on this issue makes a "deal" outside the boundaries of possibility. I'm not in favor of shutting down the government, that affects more than just the Congress. Even the tiny bit of republican intelligentsia, primarily Bill Kristol has stated that is one fight the republican will lose and they should just pass on the Norquist pledge and get on with the business of the people. Raising taxes is not a choice it's just practical and logical reasoning. The republicans bring up the issues of Social Security and Medicare for the primary reason of distraction, don't have the people looking too closely at the facts behind that curtain. Raise the military budget, pretend to care about "balanced budgets" and spout that rhetoric. Even the intractable, stalwart republican Ann Coulter has raised the white flag.

Hey, you Goats Of Past [GOP] we aren't as stupid or ill-informed as you think.
 

pam w. (139)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 12:44 pm
(Kit....I'll never see "GOP" again, without thinking of your GOATS!)
 

Lois Jordan (60)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 4:11 pm
From all I've been reading lately, it seems Obama finally may have this under control. At least, I hope so. I will be keeping pretty close tabs on what's going on, though. I'm not worried about the cliff...it's there for Obama to push Republicans off of.....unless, of course, they push each other off first.
 

James Maynard (74)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 9:52 pm
Stand firm Mr. President, the majority who elected
you have your back, Time to call BS what it is.
 

John B. (141)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 10:01 pm
Thanks Cal for the link to the article Kevin Drum. I hope the president doesn't go for a "grand deal" . The GOP will lose this one and badly. Read and noted.
 

Dorothy N. (63)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 3:05 am
I also hope President Obama acts sensibly and doesn't give away the farm on this one.

Personally, I have hopes of this:

'... Priority of legislation: In general, recent legislation overrides older legislation when there's a conflict. The president could argue that the last debt ceiling increase was passed in August 2011, and that any spending legislation passed since then implies Congress' consent to raise the debt ceiling. They knew we were running a deficit when they approved the spending, after all. Obama would just have to make sure to fund mandatory programs first (Social Security, Medicare, etc.), since they were authorized decades ago, and then issue new debt only to fund discretionary spending. ...

But not so much of this, because the current Supreme Court has shown, as with Citizens United, that they can't be trusted to act in the interest of America/Americans:

You and whose army? This is the most important argument of all. Regardless of the legal justification, the real question is whether a court would interfere. Many people think the filibuster is unconstitutional, for example, but everyone agrees that it doesn't matter because no court will ever touch the subject. It's an internal matter for Congress to decide. This is similar: the debt ceiling is a political argument between two branches of government, not a legal one. Jonathan Zasloff adds a little meat to this argument, suggesting that there's literally no one with proper standing to sue in the first place. ...'
 

John Gregoire (282)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 5:36 am
The only winner or loser in this debacle would be the people of the USA. We need to address a large cut in spending and get off this revenue smoke and mirrors background.
 

Ingo Schreiner (8)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 12:35 pm
noted
 

Wayne W. (12)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 12:53 pm
"We need to address a large cut in spending and get off this revenue smoke and mirrors background."

You have that exactly backwards, John.

Federal Revenue at Lowest Share of G.D.P. Since 1950
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/federal-revenues-at-lowest-share-of-gdp-since-1950/

Viral Facebook post says Barack Obama has lowest spending record of any recent president
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/
 

Deborah W. (6)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 1:06 pm
The common folks are goona get burned either way (read the small print, not the professed good deal), so, let's jump off and let him own it and cover his own ambitious legacy.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 1:22 pm
Raise your hand if you're beyond sick of this fascist coup by the right.
 

James Maynard (74)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 2:29 pm
My hand is up Jason R.!!
 

. (0)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 3:12 pm
This whole article discussed tricks, deals.and obscure statutes.....why can't this man just propose legislation, hammer it out, and pass it. Obama never had the style, where with all in dealing with the opposition; he's a poor politician, and these suggestions are a sad reinforcement of this.
If Reagan wanted his way, he and Tip O'Neal would pound away until a compromise could be reached. LBJ left not a body standing- he was a political animal, as was Nixon, Roosevelt, and Truman.
Obama could learn a lot from reading up on presidential history, and how to actually lead like a President.
 

Joanne Dixon (42)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 3:30 pm
John, wrong again. Wayne is in the right, and you don't have to be an economist to know it, you just have to follow history to realize spending cuts alone don't work

Allan, Reagan, O'Neill, LBJ, Nixon, Roosevelt (both of them), and Truman had rational human beings to deal with. Obama doesn't. He needs to do whatever it takes to get the right thing done and to hell with style.

Jason, both my hands are up.
 

Gloria picchetti (301)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 3:58 pm
Lose no faith. We won the election. The rich have much more to lose than we do. They threaten to leave the county but I don't think Monoco and Lichtenstein is taking them all in at once. They might even have to stand in line!
 

Diana Bair (7)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 4:31 pm
Republicians don't make deals, they take......HOSTAGES!!!!!!. Obama needs to not play mr. nice guy!!!!!, he knows them, and he needs to STAND HIS GROUND, And we need to be there, if these states will not do something about so called gop/teaparty trouble makers....THEY....ELECTED, THEN they need a little push, their ....BOEHNER....AND OTHERS is causing the....PROBLEM, And.......THEY....CAUSED...THEM!!!!!!. so they need to re-call....impeach something...boehner is a MAJOR problem they need to get CONTROL..of him..if nothing else. Diana
 

Thomas P. (468)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 4:43 pm
Noted. Allan Y..."Obama could learn a lot from reading up on pres'l history...." really? I don't think Pres Reagan had to deal with an opposition party beholden to a "break the gov't" group like the teabaggers, nor did he have to deal with politicians who have sold their soul to an obstinate like Grover Norquist. You suggest Pres Obama should "lead like a President." Those on the right that hold Pres Reagan as an icon fail to mention that he raised taxes 11 times, and would have NO chance of winning his own party's nomination today, let alone becoming President.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 4:50 pm
Thanks Cal; great post, better comments.
 

Kathy B. (105)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 6:51 pm
Just this morning I read that Boner is asking for Obama to be serious. So he thinks Obama (and most of us liberals) are a joke? I know Obama is far too polite to say the same thing back to Boner, but I sure wish he would.
 

Billie C. (2)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 10:33 pm
both sides need to give a little. that's how it works. i don't agree that obama or any president should have the right to raise the debt limit with no controls. that's crazy.
if obama had a free hand he would spend us into to the 3rd world. he needs to put spending cuts on the line. he can't stand there and say there is nothing to be cut. the fed is full of waste.
the gop needs to let taxes rise.
of course all the new taxes in obamacare are going to give everybody a nasty present without any new ones. he had a great time with new taxes and fees in that.
 

JL A. (286)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 10:46 pm
we are mostly paying in debt the interest for Congress ignoring the constitutional requirement for honoring debt increasing interest we pay and for Bush's wars on the debt 'credit card.' In relative terms, taxes are lower than they have ever been in more than 60 years--especially for corporations and the wealthiest. Also obsolete gas and oil subsidies and GOP earmarks in the Pentagon budget like planes the Pentagon didn't want.
 

Deborah W. (6)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 6:55 am
As commented on by one of Obama's personal physicians of some 22 years, David Scheiner (himself in favor of "socialized medicine"): I can't see how this can work ... he has NO COST CONTROL in this program (or any others he favors -- spend, spend, spend). Even the Congressional Budget Office says it's going to be incredibly expensive.

Now that it's been signed into law , Pelosi's fog has cleared and folks are beginning to read and grasp details in total, looking for "adjustments" on portions favoring friendly interests has begun.

Tax hikes AND spending cuts ... or jump.
 

Audrey B. (0)
Friday December 14, 2012, 10:41 am
Cut the special benefits for Congress, no life time medical insurance, and also they should be liable for their own insurance premiums, No more raises until our Country is in the green again. Cutback on pensions. Make sure they pay higher taxes, as they also make more than 250,000.00 per year.

jFinally get Nance Polisi out of office. When she opens her mouth its all down hill from there. How does she keep her job ??? She also did illegial inside trader information for family and relatives to get ahead. I'm sure there are many more illegal moves on her part to get ahead. We know most of them do it. How many overseas bank accounts include Congress? ? I think we will all be very surprised.
 
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