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Yes, We Can Have Sane Gun Control Without Trampling Gun Owners' Rights


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Cal
- 590 days ago - alternet.org
The United States is not the only country to experience the horrors of mass shootings. We are, however, the only society in which a serious discussion of tighter gun controls doesn't follow incidents like the massacres we've seen at a Connecticut elementa



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Kit B. (277)
Friday December 14, 2012, 7:10 pm

Yep, it is true the NRA is a duplicitous organization that has no second thoughts about spreading contemptible lies and misinformation for the sole purpose of gaining higher membership numbers. They may not be happy with the most recent study that shows 71% of their membership is against the sale of any form of military weapon to the general public, to those convicted of violent crimes, those on the terrorist watch list (yeah, in many states THEY can buy guns) and those with a background of mental illness. No, this would not end all gun violence, nor does insure that situations like today will never happen again, but it sure would help. Currently, the police believe that this man stole the guns from his mother after killing her. The question is should she have owned guns that are considered assault rifles? Owning a hand gun for personal protection is not the same as owning a freakin' armory..
 

Yvonne White (231)
Friday December 14, 2012, 8:33 pm
This morning, a lone gunman opened fire at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. 27 people were killed, 20 of them children between the ages of five and ten.

The shooter's weapon, a .223-caliber assault rifle, is legal for civilians to purchase in the United States. Rifles like that were originally created for combat purposes -- they allow shooters to fire up to 6 bullets a second. One man was able to obtain one and bring it into a kindergarten classroom. Yet the White House press secretary, Jay Carney, maintains that "this isn't the time" to talk about gun control.

But when will be "the time" to discuss gun control? It wasn't "the time" in January 2011, when Arizona Representative Gabby Giffords nearly died from an attack that killed six of her constituents. It wasn't "the time" this April, when a shooter took an assault rifle into a theater in Aurora and gunned down the inhabitants. Not in Wyoming, not in Michigan, not in Clackamas. The longer we wait for it to be "the time," the more we're putting innocent lives at risk.

In President Obama's speech on Friday about the tragedy in Newtown, he said that he was heartbroken. He claimed it's "time to take action." But paying lip service to grieving Americans won't be enough to prevent children in the future from being murdered at the hands of gunmen.

President Obama may think it's "too soon." But for 20 kids and 6 adults in Newtown, it's already too late.

Tell President Obama that we won't wait any longer on gun control.

President Obama: We Need to Talk About Gun Control, TODAY

Signing all petitions! There are more petition links on Kit's page too.
 

Yvonne White (231)
Friday December 14, 2012, 8:42 pm
Real "hunters" don't need automatic or semi-automatic weapons, only hunters of humans need those. Police Departments & the Military may "need" them, but no rabbit hunter does. The same goes for armor piercing bullets, there are NO elephants or rhinos in the United States to hunt - that ammo is for illegal purposes only! It is illegal to own in some states, yet some people have it.
CONservatives have scared people into massive buying sprees for guns & ammo, but how many guns have been confiscated? None that were legally bought.
Mental health in America is dangerously neglected, and CONgre$$ is proof! :(
 

John B. (215)
Friday December 14, 2012, 9:04 pm
Thanks Cal for the link to the Joshua Holland article. I really believe that if the NRA wasn't involved a serious conversation about sensible guns laws would take place but with the NRA in the equation I just don't see it happening and that is the sad part. Read and noted.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 14, 2012, 9:53 pm
Gun Control should be the USA's priority: stricter licensing laws, the prohibition on selling RPGs and mandatory practice hours yearly in a reputable club for those who do have a license.

God bless the little ones whose lives have been lost.
 

pam w. (191)
Friday December 14, 2012, 10:08 pm
"Money talks" and the NRA has enormous resources.
 

John S. (297)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 4:14 am
The NRA is only as strong as those not in it let it be.
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 4:39 am
Thanks.
 

John Gregoire (257)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 7:10 am
Were I president I would issue Executive Orders banning all violent video games. Secondly all rifles and pistols capable of more than one round would be banned with no grandfather clause -turn the suckers in now!
I would also ask the Governors to cancel all concealed weapon and carry permits. Of course law enforcement and military would be exempt while performing their duties.

This latest shooting has very much blown my mind and I'm very far away from it. I can't imagine what those parents must be feeling.

We need to put aside politics and do something concrete now!
 

Robert Tomlinson (64)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 7:26 am
I listened to Rachael Maddow last night and she gave a great Stat. 74% of NRA members want a background checks before people can buy weapons. I am in complete agreement that Assault Weapons should Never Be Sold to the public. The only ones who seem be for such sales are the nut cases who want to protect their homes from the UN forces who will invade this country AND the NRA leadership.
Yvonne, I am with you about the sales of violent video games. I have actually witnessed parents showing age IDs when their children are to young to buy such games. Those types of "games" do not promote wholesome entertainment.
 

Arielle S. (316)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 7:27 am
"Secondly all rifles and pistols capable of more than one round would be banned with no grandfather clause -turn the suckers in now!" I'm with you, John - these are not just guns, they are killing machines and there is no reason for ordinary citizens to have them.
 

Robert Tomlinson (64)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 7:33 am
John I should have given you the credit about the banning of violent video games. I really don't know why this practice has not been stropped before now. It is just common sense.
 

Dave C. (213)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 7:45 am
...we had a nice law, The Assault Weapons Ban, and I didn't see the country fold up and go away......


we need to also have the dialogue that (a) anger and violence is NEVER acceptable and (b) untreated mental health is not acceptable.......
 

Laurie F. (109)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 8:25 am
I don't give a damn about gun owners' rights. I give a damn about the victims of gun violence, of ALL species.
 

Lindsay Kemp (1)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 8:47 am
The right of ordinary people to go about their business in safety is surely more important than the right of people to carry weapons.
 

Brandon Van Every (49)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 8:50 am
The article says, "Th idea that someone wants to grab Americans' guns couldn't be further from reality." They can't do it under current law, but people who want total disarmament *is* a reality. I read their comments on Care2 every time there's an article about guns. The argument that in such a future, only criminals will have guns is completely lost on them. They don't care. They fantasize that they can make all the guns go away and that the world will be a better place for it.
 

Robert O. (12)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 10:58 am
Yes, we can have sane gun control without trampling gun owners' rights, but it's hard because most overzealous gun owners want a free for all where they do what they want and act however they want and scream about their rights being infringed on when the topic is brought up. Truth is people with long or serious criminal records and those with mental issues that could pose a threat to others should be automatically disqualified. Secondly, nobody in the world outside of military personnel in a combat zone need to have access to high powered assault rifles, that's just silly and crazy. A pistol would have the same end result but not create the same dramatic effects for those that are insecure and/or obsessed with power and bloodshed. Thanks Cal.
 

Angelica C. (84)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 12:52 pm
I am in favor of heavily trampling on gun owners rights. The hell with them! But let's start trampling the NRA first!
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 12:56 pm
Thanks Cal.

Surely the main objective is to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mentally ill people. That might be difficult to achieve in an environment where it is believed that most people have the right to bear arms.

In the Old West in many towns people had to cloak their guns when they came to town; some similar modern equivalent should apply.
 

Dianna M. (13)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 1:07 pm
I agree with Robert O, we can have sane gun control. There are plenty of responsible gun owners out there.

A few months ago, this was posted on a different forum in a reply to something I wrote: "You progressive types love to use the power of the vote to compel performance from the rest of us. That is cowardice."

I ask now, Where is the courage in shooting an unarmed person, who is not threatening you or any one else? Or an animal, just because it's there? Or a child, possibly one you've never laid eyes on before?

I'm not talking about hunting for food. I'm talking about killing, just because.

Yes, you're so much braver--using your weapon to "compel performance from the rest of us"!

As I've written to "my" representative (one of whom is "a life-long member of the NRA), the "right to bear arms" does not take precedence over the "right to life" of those at the wrong end of the gun barrel. It seems that according to the NRA and all those anti-gun control politicians, your "right to life" ends at birth.
 

Carol D. (104)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 1:51 pm
I dont agree its either all guns or no guns because too many people cannot be trusted with them If no ones got guns then there is nothing to fear Guns are for killing nothing else!
 

Gerry W. (0)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 3:11 pm
More than 80,000 people die in USA every year from gun related deaths, 30000 kill themselves and the rest a variety of reasons. There is no need for such weapons to exist only in the armed forces and police.
 

Sergio Padilla (62)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 4:10 pm
Thanks
 

Yvonne White (231)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 5:06 pm
Here in southern Illinois almost everyone owns a gun. My dad taught me how to shoot & how NOT to aim a weapon at Anyone ("empty" guns kill more people than you'd think).. I hate seeing TV shows & movies with people handling guns wrongly. I'm NOT against violent video games, but I would seriously question any kid who even hinted that he/she wanted to do that "for real"! Kids over the age of ten should understand pain, death, and Their actions making both a possibility for themselves or someone else. Talking with kids goes a long way in either easing your mind or making you realize there's a problem!
As I said, I don't have a problem with responsible gun ownership. Illinois has fairly good rules. I know there are dangerous areas in IL., so I even approve "conceal carry" (only because open carry is about Provoking rather than strictly defense). I think the police should be able to deport Gangsters as Terrorists to Gitmo, and TV/radio hosts should be charged with inciting violence when they Incite Violence! Too many Politicians & puppets spew too much hate - gun violence is the result of "tactical insanity". The Ease of acquiring guns is the result of the Rabidly Stupid leading the Insane.
 

Daniel Partlow (189)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 6:45 pm
So very true Kit!!
 

Tom Edgar (56)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 8:24 pm
Guns are always sane but it doesn't follow that the owners or the purveyors of these instruments of death are.

I own three firearms .22 .223, and 12 gauge,but by law none are automatic nor semi automatic, furthermore my right to transport is strictly controlled and it is nearly impossible to be an owner of a concealable weapon in Australia. This doesn't, of itself, mean that illegal ownership or irresponsible behaviour with a fire arm is assured but it does help.
 

jan b. (3)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:45 am
What about MY rights not to be afraid to go to the MALL ---Movies or have my neighbors afraid to send their kids to school ? What about MY rights not to be afraid of a car incident and have someone pull out a gun because they are angry.
What about MY rights to not have someone use the STAND YOUR GROUND law against me using the excuse that they thought I was a threat.
Gimme a break here. The USA is the most dangerous country because of our loose laws about guns and the MACHO ideas about owning them mostly promoted by the sellers and manufacturers.
 

Jaime A. (32)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 6:05 am
Noted, agree.!!
 

Michael O. (170)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 7:24 am
The NRA and the gun lobby in the U.S. will use their twisted logic to suggest that Friday's tragedy could have been avoided if the teachers in the school had been armed with guns and been able to "defend" the children. The writers of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution did not intend this when they advocated the "right to bear arms." The U.S. needs fewer guns, not more. This madness must stop.
 

David Menard (43)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 9:41 am
Background checks,waiting lists ect are not at all unreasonable.Guns are not going to be banned and I don't believe they should be its unrealistic but reasonable regulations need to be enforced.The gun show loophole should be closed ,people should have to get a background check for all gun purchases private included, mandatory fire arms safety training. Fire arms should be registered like a car renewed every yr or 2 with a safety test. Fail lose their license. Any convictions for any felony or violent crime lose right to own a gun for life.. Up the penalty for owning an unregistered. firearm mandatory 10 yrs. Any murder where a gun is murder weapon perp automatic mandatory life in prison no parole only way they get out of prison is in a casket.Conn gun laws are pretty good.The guy that did the shootings stole his mothers guns.If she knew he was mentally unstable why did she have firearms in the house? Even if she didn't know they should have been locked up ? Were they locked up? Trigger locks? We don't know.we will have to see if that info comes out.
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:29 pm
Within the article, this says it all: "The gun industry is laughing all the way to the bank." I'm beyond disgust.
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 7:44 pm
Kudos Lois!!....and 26 newest angels paid for INSANITY WITH THEIR LIVES!!!........SAY NO TO NRA AND THEIR BOUGHT AND PAID FOR LOBBIESTS,..THE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR POLITITIONS IN EVERY STATE...(HOW ARE YOURS DOING!?!..WE CAN..STOP THEM!!!..TOGETHER!!!)..TOGETHER, WE CAN SAY NO AND STOP THEM!!!..FOR THE 26 ANGELS AND ALL THE REST!!!
 

Debra B. (24)
Monday December 17, 2012, 11:09 am
Thanks
 

Tom Edgar (56)
Monday December 17, 2012, 12:17 pm
Nothing disgusts me more than the pious pontifications and religious ranting such as "The little children being called home," and praying to some imaginary being. This is all sop that helps remove the emotions away from the problem arising continually, not only in America, albeit that country is the supreme example of uncontrolled gun ownership. If praying in any way could change the situation the situation would never arise. Let's not pray and play around. For just this once can we see American Leaders Lead. Confiscate all unneeded weapons. Yes it can be done. Australia took in and destroyed thousands of firearms, no compensation needed. If you have a NEED for a firearm (I do) then you are licensed. I do not necessarily agree with our very restrictive regulations but I do comply, Yes I know there are some who don't and won't but you have to start somewhere and the American situation seems to be a very hard row to hoe, but please start chipping away.
 
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