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Obama, Boehner Remain at Odds on Verge of Fiscal Cliff


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: fiscal cliff, politics, democrats, republicans, americans, government, news, obama )

Cal
- 649 days ago - cnn.com
After progress earlier this week in fiscal cliff negotiations, President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner butted heads Wednesday, setting the stage for a showdown as the deadline looms for an agreement.



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MmAwayAwhile M. (457)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 3:35 am
Obama needs to bring things together like JFK, RR did or he will continue to butt heads. No more Photo Opps, no more going on TV for the public's help, work with the rest of your Politicans this needs to be taken care of and no more independent decisions. You are the "CHIEF" (wish you Oust Ken Salazar you Chief you) handle this in a timely matter that does NOT get the USA further into the ABYSS where we are now and OWNED BY CHINA...WF????????????
 

John S. (304)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 3:42 am
Sometimes you want behind closed doors.
 

lee e. (114)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 5:07 am
These talks are obscene, and the rumors flying around about SSI and Medicare/aid, I think I'll keep signing petitions and hide until it's over! I don't like the Obama concessions, I want to see cuts made to the Pentagon and taxes on the rich - that's why O was reelected - duh
 

Jae A. (323)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 10:20 am
Boner is more focused on the eggnog and booze mix in the punch bowls this time of year than doing his job for the people...I mean his corporate bosses..so stalling as usual is his hangover mode ...oh well..maybe next year.

....sigh.
 

pam w. (191)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 10:33 am
Boehner is so focused on PUNISHING Obama for winning the election that he'd sell the nation's future.

He's a jackass....a miserable, vindictive SHREW.
 

Angelica C. (84)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 11:04 pm
What more proof does anyone need to see that the republican party only answers to its corporate overlords? The people can just go hungry and homeless, for all they care. Their corruption is staggering. Right now I think that many of them should be charged with treason.
 

Dorothy N. (63)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 11:33 pm
Why does Boehner think Obama would be blamed for the Republicans forcing tax increases?

It worked before on some low-income voters, but I think more people are finally becoming aware of some of the facts...

The obvious factor is Republican greed and selfishness, destroying the country they're sworn to serve.

I agree with virtually all of the above, btw...
 

Robert O. (12)
Friday December 21, 2012, 12:38 am
Boehner is just being disagreeable for the sake of being a mean, selfish obstructionist.
 

Gloria picchetti (291)
Friday December 21, 2012, 4:26 am
Wait until the poor republicans have to pay more taxes. Where are all the republicans who would not tax millionairs going to get their votes next election? Ooooops!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 21, 2012, 1:45 pm
Obama has gotten TONS of support to not give in an inch. Lets see if he's listening.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Friday December 21, 2012, 1:55 pm
Thanks Cal--fascinating read.
 

Trish K. (93)
Friday December 21, 2012, 2:31 pm
Reason not Treason !
 

jan b. (3)
Friday December 21, 2012, 2:34 pm
Does anyone believe you should compromise on foolish ideas that will make life even worse for everyone not rich ? We would be better off it no compromise at all and no changes were made to Soc Security than to make CUTS that the republcians want and "COMPROMISE" !!!!
Over 10 years, the total revenue loss from the tax cuts to the weathiest .... comes to $3.9 trillion, according to the US Treasury. We do not really need the rich as individuals, and they should be recycled periodically to improve their performance, to improve the breed maybe....and include the GOP too.
 

Dave C. (214)
Friday December 21, 2012, 2:41 pm
thanks.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 21, 2012, 5:41 pm
@Janice...Exactly!

It looks like O. was listening. Congress just left for the holidays. Yeahhhh!!!!
 

MmAwayAwhile M. (457)
Friday December 21, 2012, 6:33 pm
Outstanding!!!!!!!!!!!!!! above me is SPAM...

Guys ~ I give up and won't reply again, but you really think Obama is the STAR of all time???? I gotta laugh! Election day was a hard one... The choice between evil and entilited (sp sorry), but, I did know I could not take another four years of what was going on in the USA. This is a POWERFUL Country and was held in HIGH REGARD, sadly not now....we are the Donkey's Arsh. I had a call from a friend after the election to tell me "Ain't life grand" (personally, I was SHOCKED and hung up, that was NO FRIEND OF MINE), that person Loves Obama since Obama gave a ton of $$ that the taxpayers paid to (that friend) ~ $30,000 to go back to school, when that person has no reason not to work....What is wrong with the system THAT!!!?!?!?!?!? Insane, people shopping when they should be working , they are not in chairs they are running around and actually laughing about the check they got in the mail. Drunks/Drugs coming into the Post Office looking like they were run over and just got a CHECK FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?!?! .Is this truly something all of you guys really LIKE???? People should WORK, I worked since I was 15 and sadly have never ever gotten one single penny from the Government after all the years I paid taxes. Once I had a horrific surgery I did ask for disability, but since I worked as a Contract labor the last 25 years they said NOT ABLE TO GET ANY DISABILITY. OK, so I kept trying, my friend and their $30,000 can ROT THE USA SINCE I FRANKLY DON'T GIVE A FLYING MONKEY'S ARSH! This is INSANE TO ME and you guys just ADORE OBAMA...I do think what should be done in singing all of the hymns for OBAMA should be What are you LEAVING YOUR CHILDREN, GRANDCHILD???? These DOTS DON'T LINE UP GUYS!!!!

You guys know me, I typically stay on Animals and go the distance, but I also have worked in politics when I was younger and still keep up, not lately since I have not been well on this site since I don't like people calling me names, but jeepers guys what is the LOVE FOR OBAMA???? I know the distain for MITTENS, but this BLIND LOVE IS !?!?!?!?
 

Faye Swan (23)
Friday December 21, 2012, 11:34 pm
Noted - thank you!
 

jo M. (3)
Friday December 21, 2012, 11:41 pm
I hope they both fall over the cliff and commit political suicide. NO NEW TAXES WITHOUT DEEP SPENDING CUTS! If Obama won't give an inch, neither should Boehner.
 

Joseph G. Paquette (1)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 5:57 am
ARE THEY REALLY AT ODDS OR IS IT THEATER?
 

John Gregoire (255)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 6:30 am
Let's go over the cliff. The country needs a tighter budget and much less spending.
 

paul m. (93)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 6:39 am

Working class or not working will suffer cuts whereas Polititions will be runing around like head less chickens
haveing talks that cost Thousands and nothing will be done, The elections are over, Polititions wages and
expences will not be effected,,
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 11:09 am
Less military spending. More benefits (entitlements for the fox heads) for the people!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 2:40 pm
Fascism in action. Where is Nazi leader Karl Rove?
 

Colleen L. (2)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 10:01 pm
I agree with Jason that they do need to spend less on military. As for the politicians, they need to stop these games. They are not playing with game pieces..but real people who will suffer if they don't negotiate or come to some sort of positive agreement soon. Thanks Cal
 

Deborah W. (6)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 8:39 am
Screw it, let's jump ... as Commander-in-Chief make him own it and find a give-and-take offering. When you don't bend you break.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 9:21 am
Boehner and the tea baggers are the ones that won't bend. They ARE broken.
 

Audrey B. (0)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 1:22 pm
I normally don't agree w/ Obama at all, but this time I think he is right to pass higher taxes on those who earn more than 250,000.00. In the mix of being turned down by Congress he later went to 400,000.00 a year and Congress still turned him down as they want it to go as high as a million a year. At 400,000.00 it should definitely start at that point to higher taxes. These are people who have no great money problems, except for Greed and Overspending.

Obama should put pressure on Congress only giving them X-Mas Day off and to report back the next day until this thing is done, otherwise these taxes will be on the middle and lower class who cannot afford it.
All my years I never thought I would see the United States falling apart like it is. In the last 10 years things have been getting worse and worse. Congress should not be exempt they should also have to take Obamacare, if its so good for us, then it should be good for them. They also need to pay for it themselves. Got to start somewhere, what better way then w/ Congress. No more cushy jobs in Congress. All of Congress needs to have terms serving no more lifetime jobs. No more lifetime benefits. If we don't do something positive this Country will go to hell, and we are not far from it.

Obama & Boehner are playing around with our lives, our futures. Cut Gov't spending and do not take from Social Security & Medicare, Shame on this Country for not taking care of their Seniors and always threatening them.

I hope Obama does some positive things soon or his remaining 4 years we will be taken over, by China or the Muslims. We do not want our Country to become Communist.

God Bless Us and God Bless America.
 

Robert K. (31)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 7:13 pm
The Republicans caused this problem, they filibustered every attempt to fix it and now they think Obama should accept their stupendously bad ideas? Let's go over that cliff, introduce bills to cut low and middle income tax rates and let the scumbag anti-American Republicans, a wholly owned subsidiary of rhe obscenely rich, try to deny the worthy of tax cuts so that the unworthy can get theirs. The American public is finally, at long last, beginning to understand that every one of our problems came as a result of the stupidity of conservative economic theories which always destroy economies when they are applied.
 

Robert K. (31)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 7:21 pm
jo M, you've fallen for the false charge that our spending is too high. In fact we spend a smaller % of GNP than every other free world country except Taiwan which isn't supporting military bases in over 150 countries.

Our problem is taxes that are far too low. They're at the lowest since 1950. Corporations in the 50s paid 52% of the taxes, the rich paid a top marginal rate of 91% and the country was at its' economic best. Now corporations pay 9% of taxes, the richest pay a top rate of 36% and are crying at the possibility of paying 39% and pay a top rate of 15% on capital gains which do the country no good at all in a huge majority of cases.

The way you recover from these problems is massively increased government spending, not by austerity whinc has NEVER worked in all of history!
 

Robert K. (31)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 7:22 pm
Er...WHICH! (not whinc) 8^)
 

Valerie r. (8)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 7:33 pm
I say lets go over the cliff... then have a vote to reduce taxes on those who make 250,000 dollars and less...seems easier than fighting with Boner and his balls....oh right, he doesn't have any balls..lol
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 9:32 pm
OMG! Where am I?

"I hope Obama does some positive things soon or his remaining 4 years we will be taken over, by China or the Muslims. We do not want our Country to become Communist.

God Bless Us and God Bless America. "

What happened to people? What is this fearful, crazy talk? Where did my country go? :(
 

Diane O. (148)
Monday December 24, 2012, 5:08 am
I'm of the opinion that Obama wants to go over the cliff. My position is that Boehner has angered some republicans with his compromise and that proves that he is trying to get something done to avoid the cliff but Obama wants no part of that.

As Americans, we know we must cut our runaway spending. As intelligent people, we understand that when you spend more than you are bringing in you end up filing bankruptcy. How can we understand that in our personal lives and not understand it as a country? We must have spending cuts if we are to move forward with raising taxes on the rich.

On Obama's watch our country experienced our first credit downgrade because of the debt to income ratio. Americans are denied mortgages and credit based on that same ratio. Then we received our second credit downgrade for the same reason. So, what are we to do? Ignore it? Continue to spend without shoring up the debt in a responsible way?

Perhaps the republicans should stand down and let Obama have his way.....raise taxes on everyone and let the chips fall where they may. What difference does it make? Obama is a pathetic fiscal leader. He has shown us that he isn't interested in our debt. He intends to continue to add more and he wants a blank check to do that.

Give Obama what he wants. Let him take owership and while he is at it let him take the blame for another deep recession. Let this be a "tough love" situation for the Obama supporters. When taxes go up and spending is on a runaway course, a recession hits the American people. It will once again stop the job flow and Americans will once again tighten their spending and we shake hands with a continued sluggish economy.

Obama is not a "unifier." He is a divider. He isn't capable of compromise because he believes he is the smartest person in the room. Two credit downgrades, America. Is that smart? I don't think so.
 

Ro H. (0)
Monday December 24, 2012, 6:50 am
so sad, always trying to make the President look bad but it just keeps backfiring. Grow up
 

Diane O. (148)
Monday December 24, 2012, 10:33 am
This isn't about making him look bad. This is all about stating who we think he really is. As the liberals were highly critical of George W. Bush for the same reasons, I have my freedom of speech to comment on the truth.

Perhaps you don't want to hear the truth.
 

James Maynard (68)
Monday December 24, 2012, 9:08 pm
Here's your leadership model in a nutshell from this
day's headlines:

Obama on cliff deal: 'Still think we can get it done'

Boehner's fiscal path forward: 'God only knows'

Gosh which one do I pick????

Tinkerbell
or
Thoughtful
 

Mitchell D. (131)
Tuesday December 25, 2012, 11:26 am
Boehner is doing his level best (worst) to keep the wealthy from having to participate in the culture that gave tham their wealth!
Hey, they are just being good Reagan Republicans, and following the lead that he gave them when he said "You can have it all," but he might not have meant it literaly, maybe.
 

Mike m. (9)
Wednesday December 26, 2012, 7:13 am
Diane, Republican logic....grow the economy by shrinking it. Fascist thuggery at it's worst.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 27, 2012, 1:18 pm
All congress has to do is write a one page bill saying the people making $250k or less will stay at the Clinton tax cuts and we could have a fix in 15 minutes, period. Boehner still works for 30,000 of the richest multi nationals. Not the people. Isn't that a bit treasonous?
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday December 27, 2012, 2:25 pm
michael, you are reading the wrong books. Revisit history. Boehner is trying to get the necessary cuts in spending to offset the blank check in more spending Obama is certain to do. We have a spending problem.....and anyone who cannot see that is simply not looking at the math.

Jason, do you think it was the poor in our country who sent in massive campaign donations for Obama? Get real. Obama loves the rich liberals.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 27, 2012, 3:22 pm
After reading everything Diane stands for, it's clear...She would rather have one billionaire than a thousand millionaires and ruled by a king rather than a social democracy. That is just as wrong as it gets. No incremental tax structure, forcing wide spread poverty. There's no wiggle room here. That or she doesn't know what she's saying.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 27, 2012, 3:31 pm
Yes it was, Diane. Soros was out spent 100 to 1. The difference is, he spent money to change policy that taxes him more for the sake of the country. The right out spent him to keep their taxes low, in spite of the country. I sent him $5, 3 times. Like all smart americans probably did. It's a fact.
You are so naive. So out of touch with reality. That's what fox means to do. Protect the wealthy and free ride. Make you think you're right to stand up for them.
Go to constitution school. Click radio program...
http://www.thomhartmann.com/

You too could know way more than people that listen to fox.
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday December 27, 2012, 3:39 pm
A "social democracy?" That would be socialism, Jason. I believe in our Constitution. And why don't you? We aren't a country who believes in redistributive wealth. We are a country who believes in personal responsibility Americans, the very Americans who built our country.

I believe that no one in our country today has to be poor. People chart their life paths....they have to make the hard decision to get an education to take care of their families or they decide to have the government take care of them.

I believe that all Americans should have the ability to chart their life paths. If they make mistakes in so doing they shouldn't rely on the government to pay their rent and provide food for their families. This is America. We are judged by the choices we make in life. If, unfortuantely, we become disabled, we, as taxpayers, pay into providing for them.

Jason, you are an odd bird IMO. You believe that the government knows what is best for us. You could not be more wrong. Where are you in the personal responsibility category? Are you able to take care of yourself or are you one of those Americans who feel like your bad choices in life should be the responsibility of the taxpayers? Who are you? I know who I am. I never intended to be a burden on society and I'm not and never will be. It was my choice. However, my tax dollars go willingly to those Americans down on their luck. No problem there.

My guess is that you feel you are a victim of society.

America, under our Constitution, was never meant to turn into a nanny state. Believe in socialism? Pick a country and go there and get what you feel you deserve.
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday December 27, 2012, 3:45 pm
Soros can never be out spent, Jason. LOL! Try another tactic that might have some semblance of truth. Do your research on Soros. This is too funny.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 27, 2012, 8:24 pm
OMG!!! There's no hope at all.

We aren't a country who believes in redistributive wealth. There has NEVER been a time when we didn't! What is wrong with you?
Not one of those shill yahoos at fox knows one thing about the constitution and its framers intentions.

Tactic? Asking you to look and learn? I WANT you to know the truth but you just want the rich richer and the poor, poorer.

fox>personal responsibility
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 29, 2012, 9:35 am
Why can't you ever acknowledge the truth?
It's time we outlaw billionaires by placing a 100% tax on wealth over

Since 1980, the top 1% has sucked up 80% of all new wealth created. In 2010, the wealthiest 1% grabbed 93% of all new income.

The richest 400 Americans -- all of whom are billionaires -- own more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans combined. The richest six heirs to the Wal-Mart fortune own more wealth than the bottom 30% of Americans combined. Billionaires have sucked so much wealth out of our economy that the rest of us are drowning.

Click here to tell Congress and the President what's needed.

We work harder. Productivity is up. But the profits are taken by the billionaires, who buy politicians and legislate rules to the ever greater advantage of billionaires -- and to the disadvantage of clean air, food, water, security, healthcare, education, retirement, and energy.

A 94% top marginal income tax rate when this nation was prospering has been reduced to 35% today. It's time we learned our lesson, reversed these trends, and banned billionaires.

Please forward this email to members of the 99%.

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jo M. (3)
Sunday December 30, 2012, 3:08 pm
Seriously Robert? You think the answer to our problem is massively increasing govt. spending? The govt. already spends way more than it takes in, and your answer I suppose would be to go back to the obscenity of taking 91% of someone's income? You give the govt. even more of our money to waste and they'll spend all that and ask for more. DC is a yawning black hole of wasteful spending. Time for them to actually work within a budget like us citizens are expected to. A 94% tax rate and the ridiculous idea of banning billionaires are a couple of the worst ideas out there. You aren't going to make fewer poor people by banishing the rich.
 
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