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North Dakota Passes Ban on Abortions After 6 Weeks of Pregnancy


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- 492 days ago - motherjones.com
The North Dakota legislature approved the most restrictive abortion laws in the United States on Friday, cutting off abortion access as early as six weeks into a pregnancy



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Dave C. (211)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 9:59 am
this is essentially a ban on abortion.....most women don't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks estimated gestational age......most women are still at risk of miscarrying until heart tones can be heard by fetoscope (12 weeks) and not by ultrasound (which doesn't hear, but sees potential heart activity) at 6 weeks....

VIABILITY = THE ABILITY TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE UTERUS......IS AT BEST 23 TO 24 WEEKS AT THE BEST HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD....AND STILL THERE ARE MANY MANY MANY COMPLICATIONS AND FAR FROM ANY GUARANTEES OF SURVIVAL......until you've delivered one of these super-premies and seen it die despite the best possible care I think you have no right to tell anyone else when a baby is viable.....
 

Gene Jacobson (244)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 10:19 am
Another illegal, unconstitutional law on its face. It never stops amazing me how little state legislators actually know about constitutional law. When the SCOTUS has ruled on an issue, that is Federal law and state law may not supersede Federal. This means that on the first challenge of this law, which I would imagine would come within days if it is signed, it will be struck down. That means the legislature wasted the people's time and money debating and passing this law. I'd like to see every legislator who voted for it, subject to a recall election. And I'd like to see the state legislature assigned attorney's fees and damages to whichever plaintiff files suit first. They know this is not legal, they know they do not have this authority and they did it anyway. That is criminal conspiracy anyway you look at. THEY belong in jail, the bunch of scofflaws that they are. Fools and damn fools permeate teapublican politics and this bunch rivals Arizona's for pure idiocy. Lock 'em up, judge, they done it. And with malice aforethought.
 

John S. (297)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 12:17 pm
Noted, how long will this take to be overturned?
 

Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 1:18 pm
I know I'm in the minority, but, I'm glad.
 

lee e. (114)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 4:12 pm
It's disgraceful that the Republican fundamentalists won't allow a woman to make the agonizing choices that are best for her body and for the country! We don't need more unwanted children in this country than already are here, and we don't need single young mothers have their lives and possible careers destroyed! What happened to Roe v. Wade? Best to keep religion out of politics (last I heard!)
 

Sheila S. (63)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 4:33 pm
Guess what folks? ABORTION STOPS A BEATING HEART!!!
In my mind, that's not health care...it is infanticide. Glad that North Dakota feels the same way!
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 5:49 pm
This one isn't going to fly because the ACLU and NARAL are going to fight it. Why do nutbag zealots want to take us backwards in time? Will they never learn that this is a MEDICAL DECISION BETWEEN A DOCTOR & PATIENT.
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 7:19 pm
Allan, who will NEVER be pregnant, NEVER know the terror of failed contraceptives, NEVER have to worry about continuing a disastrous pregnancy speaks truly when he says he's ''in the minority."

Allan, just once, I wish I could give you a drug which would make you understand the horrors of these experiences....could let you see what a woman goes through in these circumstances and could then let you see/hear the smirking, sanctimonious SOBs who want to deny her termination, based on THEIR ''morals."
 

Christine Stewart (131)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 7:28 pm
Women of North Dakota- tell the men in your life to wear a condom or keep their pants zipped! If the law makers are stripping you of your reproductive choices, then it is only fair for the men to have fewer reproductive chances!
 

Christopher M. (4)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 7:58 pm
People are getting sick and tired of abortion used like birth control. Rape incest life and health are one thing, but just because you feel like it...... if you are going to do it do it quickly at least, don't mamby pamby and make a decision up to the first breath
 

Christopher M. (4)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 8:00 pm
You can justify anything, even outright infanticide. You can legally abandon your newborn at a hospital why not do that?
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 8:10 pm
That's great news. I don't believe in abortion. It is wrong. A mother should love her child and not kill it.
 

Dorothy N. (63)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 9:20 pm
OK, NOW I understand something about the neoCons - they don't define humanity by a human brain, but by whether a being has a heart which audibly beats, and therefore brains don't need to be used.

Of course, these nuts don't have a heart, either...
 

Bill and Katie D. (90)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 9:20 pm
All people need to beRresponsible.Have only as many as you can afford and raise! Rape is all different!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 10:20 pm
Go Pam W
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (274)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 10:37 pm
GO PAM
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 11:05 pm
Christopher (AS USUAL) accuses women of using abortion ''like birth control."

Knowing NOTHING of the reasons behind terminations....he assumes the worst.

I've told this before...but I'll repeat....for Christopher's benefit.

I became pregnant while carefully using contraceptives. (Ever read the package inserts? It happens.)

My husband was ill/not working (not expected to live, actually) and my 9-year-old daughter had just lost her beloved grandmother to lung cancer.

Did I want to have another child? No!

Could I afford another child? No!

I was the only one working...how could I take off from work to provide newborn care. Could I give up the child to adoption? How would my daughter have felt about that? With no guarantee of loving adoptive parents...would that be fair to the child? No!

IS ANY OF THIS YOUR BUSINESS, CHRISTOPHER?

HELL, NO!

I made the adult decision and terminated the pregnancy.

Take your sanctimonious, judgmental moralizing and stuff it!
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday March 16, 2013, 11:13 pm
Laura...."a mother should love her child"........HOGWASH!

If a woman doesn't love the fetus....what makes you think she'll welcome it and become MOTHER OF THE YEAR...just because YOU think she "SHOULD?"

Would YOU ''love'' the child of your rapist?

No?

Would YOU ''love'' the child of a husband who beat you?

No?

Why are you so willing to condemn unwanted, unloved children to birth?

Don't tell me who I should ''love'' and who I MUST ''love''.....just recognize that MY pregnancy is none of YOUR business!

Control freaks have no business in my reproductive life!

 

ellen m. (233)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 12:52 am
@ pam, i think you just spoke for many of us..thank you!
 

Gloria picchetti (287)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 5:38 am
Young women all I can say is take some horse back riding lessons or move to Europe. The US isn't where a woman has control over her body.
 

Anna M. (18)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 6:40 am
life is not life until a woman CHOOSES to give the gift of life (period)
 

Michelle R. (5)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 6:44 am
noted
 

paul m. (93)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 7:20 am

Noted..
 

Jessica S. (178)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 8:24 am
I only hope our sisters in North Dakota mobilize against this return to barbarism.
 

Ro H. (0)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 8:37 am
premature
 

Kit B. (277)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 8:59 am

I would be happy to make a deal with those who find it necessary to make laws about our (women's) bodies. You stay out of my uterus, and I will stay out of your sex life. Until or unless each state and the Federal government is ready to step up and fully house, clothe, educate, feed, offer registered and safe child care, for both the woman and her child, then keep government out of these painful but sometimes needed medical interventions. Why are they not offering FREE contraception?
 

pam w. (191)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 9:03 am
Probably because women would use them to have SEX!

GASP!
 

Kit B. (277)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 9:04 am

I "get it" some people think that abortion is murder. Others do not. I allow you the right to think as you find correct, allow others the same freedom. Allow each person the right to make these deeply personal and very private decisions. What is happening now is going to result in another round of illegal and often deadly abortions. The state can not legislate nor make prohibitions on personal rights, it always ends in disaster.
 

John C. (79)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 9:11 am
Kit, Free contraception reduces the chance of adding taxpayers in the future. The guise of moral high ground is a smoke and mirrors thing.
It would be funny if the consequences were not so tragic.
That a woman can be responsible to raise a child but not responsible to decide to have one or not can only be the product of self-righteous presumption.
 

Kit B. (277)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 9:12 am

The state of Texas is planning to reduce the number of non-state funded women's health clinics to 6 state wide. Some of these do not offer abortion. No "War on Women"? Yeah, and we are in Afghanistan to plant flowers. Wake up and smell some reality. Women have the babies, not men, 85% of men will NEVER pay a dime in child support. Nothing and no one can force a woman to LOVE a child she does not want. What happens to unwanted children? Few "given over" are ever adopted so they live a miserable institutionalized life till they are 17 or 18, after than far too many will turn to drugs, alcohol and prostitution. Next step, jail and prison. Not my facts - look it up.
 

Maggie Schafer (1)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 9:37 am
You bet this will be challenged in Court. Stupid, stupid states! These women can go elsewhere and get an abortion. Here we are so concerned about when a fetus is considered viable and don't want to kill it, but, on the other hand, fight gun control that could save human beings who are not only viable, but, have already begun productive lives! The hypocrisy of people is never ending and the unethical immoral acts of elected officials is mind boggling! Do you think the right wing public will ever learn that these idiots pass legislation that will ultimately bite the public and they don't even care? How long before right wing religious nut jobs get a clue that these things don't work, and the majority of the public DOES NOT want their religious craziness injected into political decisions!
 

Gene Jacobson (244)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 11:40 am
Jessica? "I only hope our sisters in North Dakota mobilize against this return to barbarism."

As that is a good answer just about anywhere, I thought I'd let you know why it isn't my neighbor state to the west and north. ND is FULL of redneck men right now, they outnumber women considerably, out of work men who have gone their for the oil jobs, fracking oil jobs to be sure. Perhaps the largest oil field in the world lies beneath ND, it is just difficult to get to, but with sand fracking technology, they've found a way. So it is a modern day wild west up there, far fewer women than men and by goodness those men intend to keep those women in control. This is not the first insane thing to come out of that legislature nor will it be the last. A state full of fools every bit as backward, at the moment, as Arizona.
 

Candy L. (475)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 12:01 pm
I am so sick of republicans, preaching of our 1st & 2nd amendment rights, but as far as their concerned WOMAN have no rights! They don't want the government telling them what they can or can not do, but don't mind telling a women what she can do. What next, take away our right to vote! It makes my head spin to say they don't want to even pay for birth control, but Viagra is covered. They don't really care about the religious aspect of it, they just don't wan t to pay for it. {These women can go elsewhere and get an abortion) Maggie posted, but duh! they can't afford too!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Lil Judd (70)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 12:23 pm
Insanity.... I can't say it enough - - it's a woman's body - it's a woman's issue...

also - - they don't want Obamacare because the government should have no say in their healthcare & bodies - - but it is oh so OK for the Government & their EXTREMIST VALUES to rule over my body & that of all women - - - NO WAY!!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 1:36 pm
Me too, Allan!
Good for them, I guess the " south " is not the only backward place that doesn't believe in murder.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 1:42 pm
nstead of murdering babies,, get your sorry self spayed/neutered ,ever think of that ? Or PROTECTION? And I am not a man, like Allan, but I am in the minority .
 

Esther S. (45)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 1:52 pm
I repeat what I have stated before - I have known a teenager who was so upset when she realized that she was pregnant because she had made a mistake and had too much to drink when she was on a date with someone. She could not face anyone and so she attempted suicide. Fortunately they saved her at the hospital and since abortion was legal, her parents gave their approval for her to have an abortion. She was then able to eventually go on with her life etc.If she had not had the abortion, she would have tried to commit suicide again. In addition I want to know why Republicans are so concerned about a fertilized egg or a fetus but don't care about a baby who has already been born. The fact is that all religions are not in agreement on abortion. The Bible states that the human life begins when the soul enters the body with the first breath. Finally I want to add that if the government thinks that the life of the fetus is so important, why don't they just remove it from the woman's body and place it in some kind of thing that can keep it alive or place it in another woman's body if someone volunteers to have that done. Then they will not be preventing the woman who is pregnant from having her legitimate rights to her life and her body
.
 

Dorothy N. (63)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 2:46 pm
Republicans/corporations ARE taking away your right to vote - it's not just voter suppression and electoral cheating any more.

They've first attacked the basic principles of democracy by destroying the concept of equality of rights, opportunity and treatment, of freedom of personal choice for pacific, law-abiding people, turning segments of the population against each other with demands for, ultimately, pretty much whatever is not illegal to be made mandatory, when all of the various issues are taken into account.

The idea we're being fed is that we don't even have rights over our most personal decisions, over our own bodies.

We are OWNED by whoever holds power.

They've set it up so that elected officials can be removed over the protests of the people while they appoint 'managers' given the right to do as they please - sell off public property, privatize the schools - virtually anything.


Blatant corporate rule...


Ive grabbed some chunks from a previous posting to show how, if your State has a Republican Governor, any/every city or town can be taken over by an appointed manager at any time due to any '... facts or circumstances that, in the state treasurerís sole discretion for a municipal government, are indicative of probable financial stress or that, in the state treasurerís or superintendent of public instructionís sole discretion for a school district, are indicative of probable financial stress. ...' neatly knocking out your elected officials and voting rights with no need to cheat at elections.




http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/14/1194061/-Gov-Snyder-gives-up-on-crisis-decades-in-the-making-after-10-months-appoints-Detroit-Emergency-Mgr

Thu Mar 14, 2013
BREAKING: Michigan Gov Snyder names DC lawyer Kevyn Orr to be Detroit Emergency Financial Manager

by Eclectablog

... This is no longer simply about getting a municipality or a school district on solid financial footing. It has transformed into what can only be seen as a power grab. It gives a political appointee control over publicly-owned assets and resources and, more sinisterly, control over the academic and educational plans used by our school systems to educate Michiganís kids. Itís placing that control in the hands of people who need not have any training, experience or expertise in that area. ...

... In addition to the salary provided to an emergency manager in a contract approved by the state treasurer Ö[the] state may receive and distribute private funds to an emergency manager. As used in this subdivision, ďprivate fundsĒ means any money the state receives for the purpose of allocating additional salary to an emergency manager.

So, this is interesting. The state can receive funds from outside groups to augment the EMs paycheck. Why would that be? Well, thereís history of that. Robert Bobb, the EFM/EM of the Detroit Public Schools for a time, received additional salary from several groups and when you see who they were, you can see how nefarious this two-sentence bit buried in this law actually is. From a Forbes piece on this:

The Broad Foundation, along with the Kellogg Foundation, pays Bobb $145,000 a year on top of his $280,000 government salary. For those of you not familiar with Broad, it is one of the leading foundations promoting school choice and privatization across the country. One might almost think that paying a public official hundreds of thousands of dollars a year might amount to nothing short of bribery, especially given the very specific agenda of a foundation like the Broad Foundation. Now, Bobb is proposing to create charter schools for 16,000 students from 41 schools slated for closure. He argues that this will save millions of dollars. I have to wonder, however, at the conflict of interest.
Letís zoom out for a moment.
What we have in Detroit is an Emergency Manager appointed by the previous governor who was facing a challenge from the School District which was frustrated by his top-down approach to school reform. That challenge was effectively crushed by the passage of Public Act 4. This same Emergency Manager was a graduate from a foundation that promotes corporate school reform and also pays around a third of his six-figure salary. The Emergency Manager has the power to break union contracts, layoff teachers, and open charter schools that benefit the same foundation that is so heavily invested in the Emergency Managerís career.
This is nothing short of a coordinated effort between the billionaire foundations pushing school reform and Tea Party conservatives intent on slashing benefits and ending collective bargaining rights. Public schools are under assault by the forces of privatization, and public school teachers face benefit and salary cuts while the very rich are promised tax cuts. ...

... You can always tell when Republicans write legislation, canít you? EMs can screw over a city two ways from Sunday but they canít raise taxes to bring in some more revenue.

Finally, there 19 different situations that can trigger the preliminary review process that is the first step in putting a city into receivership and having to choose one of the four poisons offered. Only one of them needs to be met. The last one, carried over from PA 4, is this:

The existence of other facts or circumstances that, in the state treasurerís sole discretion for a municipal government, are indicative of probable financial stress or that, in the state treasurerís or superintendent of public instructionís sole discretion for a school district, are indicative of probable financial stress.

That is so broad and so inclusive and so subjective that it almost begs the question as to why you would even bother to list the other 18 situations. At the end of the day, the state treasurer starts the process for any reason they want; itís entirely up to them.
This law kicks in on March 28th. Any current Emergency Financial Managers will have to get new business cards that say Emergency Manager but the law doesnít require any new reviews; they simply get grandfathered in. ...


When the new Emergency Manager Law PA 436, aka "The Local Financial Stability and Choice Act", goes into effect later this month, Orr will become the Emergency Manager giving him lattitude outside the realm of finances.
As I have shown in my now-(in)famous chart, this means that nearly half of all Michigan African Americans will live without local democratically-elected representation...

Given the track record of Emergency Managers in Michigan, there are very few people who believe this is going to solve the problems our beloved city faces. Perhaps Orr is a magician that can somehow find a way to build armed only with tools of cutting and slashing. Somehow I doubt it.
My prediction: after the corporatists and their business pals have extracted as much wealth as they possibly can from Detroit, the city will end up in a managed bankruptcy anyway. But, by then, it will be much, much too late.
...................................................................................................
If a corporation wants to run your area for profit and you have a Republican governor, it's all possible...



(Links to:)


http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/02/a-comprehensive-look-at-michigans-newest-emergency-manager-law-now-with-stability-choice.html


A comprehensive look at Michiganís new(est) Emergency Manager Law, now with STABILITY & CHOICE!
By Eclectablog on February 21, 2013 in Emergency Financial Managers, Emergency Manager Law, Emergency Managers
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I read this stuff so you donít have to

... A mere 37 days after voters repealed Public Act 4, Michiganís notorious and anti-democratic Emergency Manager Law, Republican legislators passed a new version to replace it. It was signed into law as Public Act 436 thirteen days later. This defiant thumb-in-the-eye to the will of the voters was even more egregious since it contains two appropriations, one to pay Emergency Managers and another to hire consultants, lawyers, ďwork-out expertsĒ, and others to implement the law. These appropriations ensure voters wonít have a chance to interfere with the business of our Very Serious GOP legislators on this matter again. ...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/14/1194005/-Michigan-Republicans-Encourage-Medical-Discrimination

Thu Mar 14, 2013
Michigan Republicans Encourage Medical Discrimination

by GretchenWhitmer

... This morning, Republicans once again brought up Senate Bill 136 in the Senate Health Policy Committee, legislation that would allow health care providers to discriminate and refuse care for patients based solely on -- you guessed it -- their religious or moral beliefs. It's legislation that would allow medical personnel to arbitrarily decide to deny care for patients, even in life threatening situations, as long as they can claim it goes against their own personal beliefs.
SB 136 creates frightening scenarios in which pregnant women's lives are put at risk when a doctor refuses to assist during a miscarriage. It allows pharmacists to refuse to fill birth control prescriptions even in communities where prescription drugs are not available anywhere else. It would even allow emergency personnel to refuse to administer life-saving treatment to someone for reasons as simple as that person being gay, of another race, or a different religion. ...

........................................................................................

Sorry, not feeling too lively of late, so not sure if I'm missing connecting bits or whatever, but the links are all there for people to check out in their entirety.


But these show the use of tactics in a corporate take-over of democracies - one using PR to con some of the population to fight their battles for them, in suppressing each other and demanding that basic rights be withdrawn from all people, under such pretext as 'costs' or 'morality'.
 

Anita Mcguinn (0)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 2:51 pm
The people who object the loudest to abortion and even birth control are the same ones who want to cut all assistance and education programs for women and children. They want us to have babies, but dont care what happens to us or those babies once they are born.
 

ewoud k. (73)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 4:08 pm
Abortion as birth control? Ever seen a woman undergo an abortion like it was something as easy as putting on a preservative or swallowing a pill? Folks, think before posting! (and before unzipping your pants, btw).

This bill is just one other step back into the past, and as usual it's the women who'll suffer.

We stand with you Pam!
 

Birgit W. (140)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 4:43 pm
Noted
 

Connie O. (39)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 7:07 pm
and what about all the unwanted babies...are those people against abortion ready to adopt them all?
 

Aurea Walker (185)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 9:10 pm
To those so opposed to abortion who have posted here, please do me a favor go do volunteer work in areas where your loving hearts are most needed. Most of these places might not be to your liking as the are in crime infested, socio economically challenged areas. The only thing that these abortion laws will do is make abortion impossible for those least able to support the children they would have. The rich will continue to get their abortions like nothing happened. The attack on women's rights is increasing daily and even domino's pizza is making their religous views a part of their corporate game plan by not allowing birth control as a part of their insurance program. I am not pro or anti abortion, but I am PRO CHOICE. If people's and corporations continue to shove their religous dogma on me, then it is time to start taxing ALL RELIGOUS INSTITUTIONS! They have forgotten SEPARATION OF STATE AND CHURCH.
 

Aurea Walker (185)
Sunday March 17, 2013, 9:30 pm
Additionally ONE IN FOUR children tonight have gone to bed HUNGRY! Will get up hungry and go to school HUNGRY! Yes right here in the USA, so what should we do? Have more hungry children that will also go hungry? Abortion is not the answer for birth control by any means but even getting birth control pills is fraught with roadblocks. So please you who profess that life begins at conception go out and do some good by helping those in real need who are already born and put your actions where it is needed and not just flapping your opinions where they are not needed.
 

paul m. (93)
Monday March 18, 2013, 7:02 am

This is a woman's issue..
 

Natalie S. (9)
Monday March 18, 2013, 11:03 am
Even if there's a high probability that this may be overturned, I'm glad this has come about as it shall make people think before they act. Deciding to terminate a pregnancy has become too easy an option!
 

Carla van der Meer (461)
Monday March 18, 2013, 11:19 am
Nothing like the state telling you that you are little more than a walking womb who's rights cease the moment one becomes pregnant.
 

Bryan S. (97)
Monday March 18, 2013, 6:19 pm
This should be a womans choice. Maybe a ban on late-term abortions where the pregnancy causes no health risk to the mother is one thing, but 6 weeks???
 

Lynn Squance (226)
Monday March 18, 2013, 10:44 pm
6 weeks? Wait until they get the bright idea to copy Arizona and mark the time from a woman's last period! That will take it down to about 4 weeks!

Since it seems that all the onus for reproduction is placed on women (which is not right!), maybe there should be a law that states men, by law, must wear a condom or have a vasectomy before engaging in sex. As Ewoud says, "Folks, think before posting! (and before unzipping your pants, btw). "

There are so many excellent comments here! I know of no woman that takes abortion lightly. I have counselled some young women, not to make their decision for them because it is just that, their decision, but to think clearly about what is right for them, and then supported them with whatever decision they made.

Thanks to all who think that the ND legislators are in territory that does not belong to them.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Tuesday March 19, 2013, 9:00 am
Pam W. I gave you one green star but wish I could of given you one today for each statement.

As the adage goes, we should not Judge until we have walked a mile within the shoes or mocassins of another.

The Roe vs Wade was to prevent deaths, no one speaks about the Womans right to life. Too many women were dying simply due to pregnancy. Back room butchers who for a price would perform an abortion, sometimes with no anesthesia. Desperate women do desperate things and taking away the rights to a safe and legal abortion will not save babies, these women will find a way to have the abortion anyways, even doing it themselves throwing their bodies down stairs or using coat hangers, many times dying, both they and the unborn.

So for those who are happy that this RIGHT is being taken away from women all across this land I would suggest you THINK about those so called "good ole' days" that were not good at all.

Most of the men and the women are to be commended on here for speaking up and loudly on this and please do not end it with words alone. Support the petitions to keep Roe vs Wade in affect, call your Representatives, make the younger women in your life aware of what the REALITY is without safe and legal abortions. I'm old enough to recall those days, I certainly don't want my daughter and granddaughter having to experience those times again.

It is easy......You don't want an abortion then don't have one. If that is your personal religious belief then remember that is YOUR personal belief that others may not share in. They have just as much right to their belief as you do, it may be their belief is the correct way and yours is not, ever think about that?

It all comes down to control people.......In this Patriarchal Society there are a few who want full control over others. I think the story Robert posted is one example of this control and we need to be careful of the slippery slope as we are and have been heading in the wrong direction.

As it said in the story Robert left:

ďI didnít know the legacy of the Republican Party included women correcting men in public.Ē
The Slippery Slope
 

Bruno Moreira (61)
Tuesday March 19, 2013, 9:50 am
noted thanks
 

Arielle S. (316)
Tuesday March 19, 2013, 11:34 am
A shower of stars to Pam and several others. Is this the "less government" the GOP keeps talking about? Or is this the "no war on women" part? Like most things Republican, it comes from those who have not a single clue about what it's like to be a woman or to be poor or to be ill or to be a minority. There is plenty of LIFE already here to take care of - why not be really different and try that?
 

Fides R. (0)
Tuesday March 19, 2013, 12:17 pm
This is a beginning. I hope they will see that the right to life beings at conception.
 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday March 19, 2013, 1:30 pm
Thanks, Ewoud, Dandelion and Arielle...

Dandelion said "no one speaks about the Womans right to life. Too many women were dying simply due to pregnancy"

Exactly! "Right to life" only applies to a zygote! Right to privacy only applies to those who consider themselves ''in charge'' of your morals and mine...don't try to tell THEM what to do!
 

Gina Caracci (231)
Tuesday March 19, 2013, 7:30 pm
For all of you who are glad, Id like to know how many children you have adopted and plan on adopting?
I shouldnt have come to this story because Im so angry right now.
For those to keep gutting programs for the poor and then DEMAND (after stating they want LESS govt) want MORE unwanted children born into this country I say they are EVIL hypocrites..
WHY is it that they want unwanted children born? well, lets see: besides wanting to keep people down and poor and dependent so they can make us suffer, the main goal is MONEY. its so they can sell the babies of course. but see they have to be pretty babies/children.. the unwanted and undesirables stay in foster care to be abused and then spit out into a society that does nothing to get them started. Im crazy you say? LOOK IT UP. ITS FACT. the US GOVT BUYS AND SELLS CHILDREN.
So all you PROLIFERS how many have YOU ADOPTED? Ever been raped and gotten pregnant? Ever had birth control fail and been terrified? and you men who are so for this? what do YOU KNOW?? Too many play being STUD and run to the next woman and the WOMAN is held responsible and then is CONDEMNED for doing what she feels is right for her. so forgive me if Im a bit pissed off right now.
a FETUS IS NOT a CHILD until it is breathing in this world ON ITS OWN. um..natural selection....
6 weeks doesnt even give some womens bodies time to realize they are pregnant yet. . A woman LIVES WITH HER CHOICES. NOT YOU. So prolifers how many?????
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??????
 

John C. (79)
Tuesday March 19, 2013, 9:12 pm
All of this could be avoided in my view, if men would become fathers instead of "rick's! (The "
P" is silent.
 
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