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CANADA: Indigenous Poverty Soars Above National Average

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Jason S (50)
Wednesday June 19, 2013, 7:31 pm
Good posting, thanks

Roger G (154)
Wednesday June 19, 2013, 8:38 pm
not a surprise, it is the same in Australia

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 1:57 am
How utterly sad. It's the same in the US and South America.

Lisa W (143)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 3:43 am
Sadly noted Cal, ty!

Patricia H. (440)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 3:47 am
sadly noted

linda n (3877)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 3:51 am

Carol H (229)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 4:36 am
noted, thanks Cal

Jonathan Harper (0)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 4:38 am

Chris Caramanica (0)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 5:24 am
Come on Canada you can help find a solution to the homeless in your cold climate world

Liz NO FWDS G (69)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 5:54 am
Sadly noted.Thank you Cal.Liz Xx

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 6:11 am

Aaron Bouchard (158)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 7:55 am
Noted thanks

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 9:06 am
This is, sadly, what happens when people live in areas where the logistics of building infrastructure and getting goods over there are very, very difficult and expensive to handle. China faces the same problem when trying to develop inland, and away from the coast, nobody has seen the benefits of their immense economic growth. Combine that with some reserves having intensely corrupt band councils and governance, and this sort of poverty is practically inevitable.

The government has tried to help, but it legally cannot do very much directly. The reserves are still technically sovereign by treaty so any assistance must legally run through those band councils. Too often, from what I understand, it disappears in corruption, with only a small trickle of the original aid actually doing what was intended. There may be a solution, bringing in direct governance by the provinces and federal government, but that would pretty much mean abolishing the reservations and destroying the status of "status" native Canadians. It would be politically non-feasable over the objections of those who claim to advocate the well-being of the people that solution would help.

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 10:22 am
I saw this in the news yesterday and was very saddened with it but not surprised at all. The conditions in which these people live are deplorable---often without proper housing,lack of running water,electricity and little healthcare resources...and worse of all is the lack of schools available. And the violence against women is rampant...with many rapes occurring weekly. So it's no wonder the stats are what they are...a real shame. Thx 4 posting this Cal

Frances Darcy (170)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 12:08 pm
Very sad.

Sheryl G (364)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 2:28 pm
This is what happens when the Heartless Ones take what they want, throw those in the way, who were not killed, onto lands that were not wanted by the Heartless Ones. "The old out of sight and out of mind."

There has been very little "just" treatment to the First Inhabitants of the North American continent. Stephen, your comment of the Government has tried to help shows how little you truly understand in all of this. Yes, there is a lot of corruption in band counsel and governance, the Apples learned well from the Invaders who taught them, and Dominant Cultures wants that type to be in those "jobs" to keep the Traditional Indians from getting out of line.

Indeed the Government has tried to help, tried to help the native peoples into non existence. The Governments of both Canada and the USA has helped itself to many things, land, water, resources, with little regard to what is fair and equitable. It's take and never give any thought back, and so all ones sees is the devastation left behind, to the people, the lands, and the animals.

This is the same thing that everyone eventually has to look forward to, the days of creature comforts is drawing to an end as the Greedy Heartless Ones share less and less with all the worlds people. The 1% and the Corporations only look at profit, so if they must drill in your backyard and destroy the water you drink so be it. They have not cared that this has been being done to the First Nations people whose cancer rates are going up along with the American Indians as that once "worthless" land now is understood to hold an energy resource or uranium.

The first inhabitants are the ones' who had it happen first to them, gone on the longest to them, but if you think the Greedy Heartless Ones are to begin to feel some empathy to you because your skin is white and you love your family, well you have a rude awakening ahead.

Instead of tearing apart each other because of skin tone, gender, sexual orientation, or where one lives regionally, you best all get behind one cause to save your butts. The destruction of the environment will kills us off, this is not joke, and they will not stop and "gain" some sense. They have no sense, no loyalty, it is Corporate Profits and compassion doesn't fit into the equation.

Welcome to the Reservation my brothers and sisters said Russell Means, the native AIM Activist. He wasn't joking. I think if most people were honest, it is so in the face that so many don't want to view it for what it is, but few can say they think things are going in the correct direction.

The stories of the native people, the indigenous of the world is to be the story of most the worlds population if the Greedy Heartless Ones have their way, and thus far they continue to have their way. Only the poor go to jail or have to be personally responsible. The rest are smug in their too big to jail, fail, or nail.

Birgit W (160)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 2:39 pm
Our Harper government does not care about our poor Aboriginal children, nor do they care about other poor children or families. All what counts for Harper are the tar sands.

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 2:43 pm
Hi Dandelion,

Do you know the nature of the corruption, or even how the leders of those band-councils are chosen? The corruption is of a form far older than the colonial era and the government doesn't pick them. The corruption might not have been noticed centuries ago because it was just how things were done, not even considered corruption. It's nepotism, embezzlement, and patronage.

Do you even know who your "Greedy Heartless Ones" are, or how they got that way? Do you think there's some kind of morally sub-human race running around controlling things, with greed in their DNA or something like that? I'm really curious what you think because nobody who talks about those in power as a separate group ever seems to get into what sets them apart morally, whatmakes them greedier than anybody else or what makes them so much more callous than others.

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 2:46 pm
Hi Birgit :)

Looking at harper's policies and what unpopular stands he has been willing to make, I get a different picture. I see him and his government as not caring about native Canadian communities' sovereignty, but caring about native Canadians as individuals. There is a serious division, as can be seen in the statistics visible through the link at the top: Look at the division between native Canadians with andwithout official status. Native Canadians get hurt by sticking to their sovereign communities rather than accepting what seems to be far more competent general Canadian governance.

Irene S (68)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 2:46 pm
Itīs such a shame! Kind of, "the winner takes it all".

LKoSl J (130)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 4:00 pm
Where s equality, justice?
Thanks Cal.

Barbara V (51)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 8:13 pm
Corruption is rampant. Who put in this Harper monster, anyway?

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 9:06 pm
Hi Barbara :)

A plurality of Canadian voters put Harper in power and kept him there in multiple re-elections, in accordance with Canadian law and the intent of those who set up our electoral system. Also, there really hasn't been all that much corruption from the CPC government, at least compared with other parties. For example, it recently came out that a Liberal Party of Canada senator actually embezzled more money than did the CPC one who had been paraded through the news as a symbol of corruption. There has certainly been a lack of transparency and at least a bit of ineptitude, but not really that much corruption, at least outside of the robocall-scandal.

Hi SJ :)

Equality and justice are only the same if different groups of people behave similarly, achieving similarly in a fair system. Sometimes, cultural differences are important, so they don't. It's tough to accept because when that happens, we can't do anything to help, but failure to adjustment of the system to try to equalize results when this is going on leads to severe injustice and more uncontrollable reactions to it, regularly doing far more harm than good.

Lona G (84)
Friday June 21, 2013, 4:16 am
Good posting. Sad to note that indigenous people are worse of all over the world.

Sheryl G (364)
Friday June 21, 2013, 5:41 am
Do you know the nature of the corruption, or even how the leders of those band-councils are chosen?

Yes I do.

The corruption is of a form far older than the colonial era and the government doesn't pick them. The corruption might not have been noticed centuries ago because it was just how things were done, not even considered corruption. It's nepotism, embezzlement, and patronage.

Pray tell where do you get your inside historical information from? Are you native? Do you have the oral stories of the native ancestors? Of the way it was done in pre-colonial days?

Do you even know who your "Greedy Heartless Ones" are, or how they got that way?


Do you think there's some kind of morally sub-human race running around controlling things, with greed in their DNA or something like that?

We are all of one race, human. But great deflection on your part.

Preditory energy.....that is what separates them apart. When the predatory energy mines the minds then the destruction begins. Some have been so taken over by this predatory energy they become blind, or heartless, one sees via the heart.

Stephen Brian (23)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 9:15 am
Hi Dandelion,

If you know how band-councils are chosen, then why would you ever have written "Dominant Cultures wants that type to be in those "jobs" to keep the Traditional Indians from getting out of line"? The "Dominant Culture" has no say in who gets those jobs. It doesn't matter wha thte "Dominant Culture" wants. That is all aside from the obvious problem: The dominant culture really, really wants that corruption to end. As long as there is poverty and poor internal policing, we get lawless regions within our borders. Those are extremely dangerous to have even beyond a country's borders. Aside from that, if corruption ended and the lives of those on First Nations reserves improved, we might not have had to deal with the practical and political irritations of anything like the troubles in Oka a while back. I wish the dominant culture had more say in the governance of those areas, rather than hereditary leaders or undemocratic political cliques, because it actually has an interest in making things better.

The forms of corruption in question go back to pre-history all over the world. Nepotism is literally bred into humanity and a lot of related species. As for patronage, before the rise of democracy, this is how things worked all over the world. Unless we're talking about some sort of moral supermen, that sort of thing is as old as civilization. When it comes to the sort of corruption and embezzlement seen on the reservations, that too is as old as civilization. Rulers have always used their power to take more for themselves. Moderation of that is only a modern invention. These things aren't speciffic to the First Nations. The forms of corruption in question are human, and even pre-human.

I mentioned that genetic theory because it is one of only two reasons for this idea of "Greedy Heartless Ones" running everything that anybody had ever presented to me. The other one, that wealth corrupts, has never been explained in full as nobody has ever presented any sort of plausible mechanism by which this would occur, or explained how they make exceptions. Now, where does this "predatory energy" come from? If it's not an intrinsic factor, then what environmental factor doyou think drives the corruption? Could one recognize a "Greedy Heartless One" a priori, or is it just a label that you apply to people you don't like?

Sheryl G (364)
Monday June 24, 2013, 11:25 am
Stephen sometimes it isn't worth my time to waste.....I waste no more with you.

Sheryl G (364)
Monday June 24, 2013, 1:21 pm
I mean no disrespect in the above comment, it is you keep asking more questions without answering mine and I truly do not have time to play this fishing game with you. My life off of computer is very full at this time.

Stephen Brian (23)
Monday June 24, 2013, 9:10 pm
Hi Dandelion :)

What questions have you asked? I would be happy to offer answers, but I cannot find them.

Melania Padilla (122)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 10:47 am
Not surprised....
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