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Who Spies On Its Citizens More, The United States Or Europe?

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European leaders were outraged over revelations of NSA surveillance. But in many countries, wiretapping by law enforcement agencies is legal and privacy safeguards are weaker.

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pam w (139)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 10:49 am
Not exactly a contest one wants to win!

Roger G (154)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 3:24 pm
noted, thanks

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 6:40 pm
Noted. So, Europe's winning the race to the bottom on this far. "Gee, we're all spying, but it's so much worse in Europe" supposed to shut us all up and make us feel better?!

Scott Z (23)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 7:00 pm
There's no hard data contained in this report. It has all the appearance of a Whitewash effort. It's in effect stating: "All the other kids are doing worse than me!"
Is Peter Steffen an 8th grade student or a representative of the NSA?

Sheila D (28)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 7:30 pm
Noting someone else is doing something we don't like doesn't make it any more right. Thanks for the article, Cal.

Anette S (22)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 8:44 pm

hypocrisy on all sides.... what a pathetic bunch they are!

Sheila D (194)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 9:40 pm
Again with the he said, he said game - let's blame the other one to take the focus off what we have been doing. Noted with disgust.

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 9:45 pm

Carmen S (611)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 10:35 pm
thanks Cal for sharing this

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 11:14 pm
Yeah Pam!

Jan Van Eck (0)
Monday July 29, 2013, 1:31 am
To live in Holland, you have to "register" with the Police, in a central registry kept by the equivalent of the "Interior Ministry." That data-base is accessible by any attorney who wants to find you to start a civil suit. That mentality goes back to WWI, and although you would think that after having been abused by the gestapo doing precisely the same thing, it has not worked out that way.

Here are some tidbits on how to fight back against the Surveillance State. Facial-recognition cameras only work if they can scan your entire face, so wearing an eye-patch defeats them. If you are doing "sensitive" research, use the Internet at the public library. Fix a thin-film Fresnel lens over your auto marker plate to defeat mobile plate scanners. If you are dual-national, get yourself a second passport. And above all, telephone your Representative and write angry letters. Nothing like angry voters to keep the pressure on the politicians who enable the Surveillance State.

Despina Vekris (9)
Monday July 29, 2013, 5:56 am
Good question

Sam E M (0)
Monday July 29, 2013, 6:14 am
I hope they practice some discernment in who is targeted for surveillance and who is not.
In these days of international terrorism perhaps it's the price we have to pay for relative safety. I wouldn't like anyone checking my phone calls and internet connections any more than the next man, but if there's nothing to hide I doubt the surveillance people would waste time on continuing. I imagine they have a valid reason to start with and that there are additional random checks which are quickly stopped when found to lead nowhere.

Marija M (29)
Monday July 29, 2013, 6:46 am
Big brother all around.

Frances Darcy (133)
Monday July 29, 2013, 8:23 am
Big brother is everywhere

Kathleen R (138)
Monday July 29, 2013, 8:57 am

Stephen Brian (23)
Monday July 29, 2013, 9:32 am
I think the wrong question is often asked. It's not about total numbers on surveillance, but about who is ordering it, who is doing it, and their track-records. I don't care much about surveillance by the state as long as the information is not used for the sake of political or other discrimination.

If local police-departments are ordering the surveillance, then as long as the police do not overwhelmingly stand on one side of a politicized issue, like private ownership of firearms, or support one party, then I don't really care. If they (large numbers of police departments) can reasonably be expected to abuse the information to pretty much trump up charges against owners of firearms, which has happened, then it's a problem. If an internal threat-assessment agency has been instructed to consider certain political groups dangerous rather than use their own professional opinion in assessing threats, then surveillance by such an agency (NSA and, I understand, multiple agencies in Europe) is dangerous. If an agency has members with access to surveillance-data whose loyalty to their political parties outweighs their professional ethics, and they report confidential internal data to their party-members during a campaign (the U.S.'s IRS), abusing state-infrastructure to play politics, then this is also a problem.

Herbert E (10)
Monday July 29, 2013, 10:26 am
Sure enough, they are all spying on their own and other citicens. I wonder what would George Orwell write today ???

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Tuesday July 30, 2013, 5:33 am

Bea friends Kindly (22)
Tuesday July 30, 2013, 12:44 pm
Good Question, Here in UK, all I can say, is there are lenses every where. We forget they are there,

Herbert, 1984 George Orwell had the vision and I remember reading it as a youngster, it scared me to think there would be no paper, pens or Books, l Orwell got it right cos that's where we are now.... I read the book befor computers.......... Soooooooooo what would he be saying about the future........ Hmmmmmmmmmm it doesn't bear thinking about....... Peace and Blessings to all........
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