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Is Bradley Manning's 35-Year Prison Sentence Fair?


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: military, Bradley Manning case, government, law, politics, news, ethics, goodnews, usa )

Cal
- 405 days ago - theweek.com
The divisive trial of the WikiLeaks source comes to an end



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Nyack Clancy (439)
Wednesday August 21, 2013, 4:36 pm
It is very intense- but it wasn't your average "whisle blower". He released classified information.

Go ahead and do what you feel is right if you think it is going to make you a hero, however, the unauthorized disclosure of classified information is a felony under Federal law.

Wikileaks ought to make that very clear to people who give them information (ON WHICH THEY MAKE HUGE PROFITS).

I feel bad for Manning- but he should have released this information to his superiors- or quit the military, then released it.
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Wednesday August 21, 2013, 4:42 pm
Noted , thanks !
 

AniMae Chi (410)
Wednesday August 21, 2013, 4:56 pm
And rapists & murderers walk free.... *sigh*
 

Brian M. (191)
Wednesday August 21, 2013, 4:59 pm
The sentence is too harsh. If the Nuremberg Trials taught humanity anything, it is that soldiers have a higher obligation to fulfill when confronted with war crimes or orders to commit war crimes. When telling the truth becomes a crime, then the truth is it is the system itself that has become criminal.
 

Nyack Clancy (439)
Wednesday August 21, 2013, 5:09 pm
That is true, Brain, BUT- it is the military's responsibility to investigate before information is de-classified. No doubt someone committed a crime- but-

The military is quite capable of conducting their own investigations, and holding trails- as they are with the Afghanistan Massacre.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/02/01/bales-afghan-massacre-trial-set-for-september.html

You dont know the full story on the soldier that did this- he could have been having a psychotic breakdown and have gone completely nuts.

But? I guess it is all up to Julian Assange to decide about "due process" now.

 

Nyack Clancy (439)
Wednesday August 21, 2013, 5:13 pm
I suppose in the future, we will be holding court on Wikileaks- Julian Assange the presiding Judge AND Jury.
 

Robert Hardy (67)
Wednesday August 21, 2013, 10:20 pm
No.
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:02 am
Manning had problems throughout his time in the Army (and in his personal life). He should never have been given security clearance since the Army was aware of some of his irrational behaviors and problems all along. I see his actions as a temper tantrum designed to embarass the Army and get even for the humiliations he felt he had suffered as a gay man under DADT - he certainly had none of the hallmarks of the political crusader.

I think his sentence was essentially just - he could have faced far worse and I wouldn't have had a problem with that either.
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:13 am
Noted - thanks
 

John Gregoire (255)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:27 am
Were it without parole it would have been fair. Getting out in 7 years does not fit the damage done to the USA by this TRAITOR!
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:53 am
Let's hope, John Gregoire, that Manning doesn't get too much time off of his sentence. Perhaps he'll create as many problems for the authorities at Leavenworth as he did for the Army during his enlistment.
 

Carol D. (109)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 5:15 am
noted
 

. (0)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 7:15 am
No it isn't. He should get life. Thanks for sharing, Cal.
 

Graca T. (46)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 8:56 am
Read & Noted. Thanks
 

Jason R. (60)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 9:42 am
NO! Some one had to expose the criminal MIC and how they have soldiers commit crimes via brain washing. We are ALL sworn to the Constitution. The MIC has destroyed our standing in the world in the name of greed. They trample the Constitution and have the soldiers do it too.

Come on, people! Get back on track. Who wants to be in the dark?
 

Natasha Salgado (531)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 9:45 am
It's ridiculous.
 

Joanne Dixon (38)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 11:03 am
Comments have been made that Manning should have released and/or reported the information he had to his chain of command. Actually there is plenty of evidence that the information WAS freely discussed with superiors (in one case a commander stated a belief that a video was a fraud although apparently it was accurate; in another Manning's attempt to report to his commanding officer met with "he didn't want to hear any of it.") Frankly, speaking as a veteran, that is what I would expect.

The duty to report war crimes is first to the chain of command but is not fulfilled if the chain of command is implicated. In that case the Army recommends going to the JAG, IG, Chaplain, or Provost Marshal. Pvt. Manning is an atheist. I am not able to find a record as to whether he considered and rejected the JAG, IG, and Provost Marshal and rejected them, whether he did approach one or more of them and was rebuffed, or whether he simply didn't think about them.

It is true that the unauthorized disclosure of classified information is a felony. But using that law as the basis not to disclose actual war crimes seems perilously close to me to the "only following orders" defense which was discredited at Nuremberg. Does everyone here obey every law, including those considered unjust? I know many of us feel that there are a lot of unjust laws on the books regarding how humans treat animals. In some places Ag gag laws are in place or contemplated. Anyone here who would disobey one of those?
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 12:23 pm
Manning is a traitor. This traitor has been taking hormone treatments to become "Chelsea." I hope he doesn't think the taxpayers are going to pay for this "transformation." Next thing you know the inmates will want breast implants to build their self esteem.
 

GGmaSheila D. (171)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 12:43 pm
Actually I think Manning was extremely lucky that he can parole out in 7...however, does anyone actually think it will be allowed??
And I don't believe he's a traitor, no matter what problems he had, or still has. He tried the right way by going to superiors but they didn't listen...he is a whistleblower, and as such he should never have been arrested and tried. But the military has now proven that the laws of America don't pertain to them...they can get away with murder - they still are, with the blessings of most all sitting presidents.
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 1:25 pm
The information was classified information. He took an oath not to reveal classified information. I believe he should have to spend all 35 years behind bars. He broke the law. Now he is getting ready to complete his life and become "Chelsea." The inmates are going to love her.
 

Avril Lomas (0)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 1:27 pm
Absolutely NO!
How is it that the "outing'of a CIA,operative ,(done with ulterior motives, (look it up !) is Pardoned,(by Dubya)
Those responsible for the Iraq War, The LIARS War.(which may I remind you resulted in the deaths of at least 5,000 of the US armed forces. The disablement of thousands more. and (not that it matters to most Americans)the deaths of 100,000 Iraqi,s (conservatve estimate).
,Those wjho besmearched the name of America by torturing prisoners,and have been cited for crimes against humanity, and guess what? they, especially Cheney made easy money from and for Haliburton)
Got a free pass on the whole dirty lie, At least ,Bradley Manning may have been, in some instances misled, however in others was not, (see massacre of Iraqi civilians, by US helicopter) and I believe that for him the leaking was a matter of conscience. (Heaven forbid that the Bush admiistration should show ANY REMORSE for the consequences of their duplicity.) and the consequences, still in Iraq to this day.(Bombing and deaths of innocents every day. NUFF SAID. Do Not be so quick to condemn this man.
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 2:39 pm
I think a few people need to watch these films.
Collateral Murder

Taxi To The Dark Side
 

Jason R. (60)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 2:59 pm
"Manning is a traitor." To the MIC. The MIC is NOT america. The MIC is what Eisenhower warned us about.

"Manning is a traitor." only to those that support the anti american, MIC traitors. No one in their right mind should be speaking out for the tyrants in the MIC. If you do, you are one of them. Their guns don't keep you safe. They loot your economy and good standings you were born with.

This is why you always lose the argument, Diane. You are one of them and they are wrong. they are as cold hearted as they get.

Can't you spend more time with them and less ON us?
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:01 pm
I feel sorry for Manning. He is without a doubt, conflicted, in every possible way. Now he wants to be "Chelsea" and is already on the hormone therapy to get him breasts and whatever else that therapy will deliver to him. Perhaps when he copied classified documents he was "hormonal" who knows?

This is a very young man with major issues. I'll leave it there.
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:04 pm
Jason, I never lose an argument because I'm never concerned with winning an argument. I'm stating my personal opinions the same as you. You haven't won any arguments....perhaps in your own mind which seems to sustain you in some bizarre way.
 

Jason R. (60)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:04 pm
Oh. I heard something that made me think and agree..."All war is illegal" ...at least, the invaders are illegal. That means us. All wars start by an illegal act. BushMICIA let 911 happen. That was illegal. Traitorous. Unthinkable!
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:06 pm
This is a discussion thread as many are and it is on a public forum. You state your opinions and I state mine. Why do you always want to make it a contest? Understand where you are on Care 2 and what this website is all about. It is all about sharing your opinions. Why do you always have to make it personal?
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:07 pm
See Jason? You are in quick sand when it comes to a president who left office in 2008. It is now 2013. Get current, my friend.
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:15 pm
No, it is not a fair sentence; and I've signed petitions and sent letters asking for him to get "time served," or a Presidential pardon. Some of these comments are just cruel.
Manning's a whistleblower...just like Daniel Ellsberg. Anyone who just wants to "pile on" Manning should read a transcript of the chat logs between him & Adrian Lamo....a real eye opener. Thanks, Dandelion, for the hotlinks---those are 2 excellent videos! Jason R, Joanne D & Avril: I agree with you and couldn't have said it better.
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:16 pm
The world has been fighting in wars since the beginning of time. Now in Syria they are gassing and murdering their own people including hundreds of children. Sooooo, what do you think the other countries and the US will do? Stand by? Wait for hundreds of more people to be murdered? Give me your thoughts on that, Jason, since you hate war. Do you also hate that innocent people are being murdrered and no one is waltzing in to protect these people?
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:18 pm
The liberals on Care 2 will always support the anti-American position. A true American would never copy and distribute classified information. Never. So, what we have here are two sides of this discussion....those who support America and those who do not.
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:22 pm
We live in the greatest country in the world. It's always sad to read comments that are anti-American and my wish for those who ARE anti-American is that they pack up, pick a country, and go there. Live the dream of being a socialist. Just another day in paradise when their government takes 55% of your pay for taxes to support "free healthcare" and the love fest continues....redistributive wealth....everyone has the same car in their driveway and the same size house.

Check out Norway. They see the light. They want to lean right now. Do your research so that you will have a clear picture before your make your comments about how wrong our country is today.
 

Jason R. (60)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:43 pm
"This is a discussion thread" But you use it to spread hate of liberals! We were born at night...

"The liberals on Care 2 will always support the anti-American position."

WTH is so american about having your country seized by the MIC and having them spend OUR money on killing innocent people? Who the hell said you and your kind calls that shot in a democracy?

"We live in the greatest country in the world." No we don't!!! We USED to live in a great country. This one doesn't even resemble the country the people of the 30s---70s built. Weren't you there?

I have a friend in Norway I talk to all the time. Our MIC NWO is moving in on them. Every country the nazis can get to, they are. Right behind us.

How can you do research at a site that lies to you? We talk about the success of the social countries and you use the one under assault as proof that they don't work?

Ehhhh. Try again or give it up. Circumstances say, give it up. You'll convert no one to the cult.
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:41 pm
Criticizing our government and its actions/policies doesn't intrinsically make anyone "anti-American", Diane O. While there are indeed quite a few "liberals" I've known who will reflexively take the anti-U.S. position without thought, many don't. Just as quite a few "conservatives" I've known will reflexively bristle and deny, without thought, anything that doesn't fit their own worldview - and others don't.

If someone honestly takes a position, after due consideration, that doesn't fit with your own, all that means is that people of good conscience can sometimes differ on what they see as right (for the country, for themselves, for whatever). Doesn't mean we can't disagree strongly, just means that they aren't automatically "anti-American". And the critics don't have to go anywhere - having freedom of political thought means that we have to put up with each other (which is often useful, since a weakly-opposed majority tends to chip away at non-majority rights).

Strong debate is a good thing, I think.
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:43 pm
I guess we have someone on here that is "My Country Right or Wrong".....good fascist way of thinking.

This mythical spin on the fact that Liberals are somehow Anti-America is hurting this Country more than it is helping. How do you know Manning is a Liberal? I've seen nothing printed to say he is. In fact the only thing I can find on this is the support of Ron Paul a Republican of Bradley Manning.
Ron Paul on WhistleBlowers

I'm picking out some bias in your comments concerning Bradley Mannings sexuality. Perhaps it is his being gay or wanting to be Chelsea now that you have an issue with. I recall on other threads you were supportive of the whistleblowers.

When people start calling others Anti-American because they are liberal, gay, black, or any number of reasons one might want to finger some Americans as being less American than others, we are right on track to walk in the path of Germany that allowed Hitler to rise.

This was an interesting little video that one of my friends has on his profile page. I think if would do well for ALL of us to view it.....no matter what our opinion is. Just so you know, it was considered a very patriotic film, put out by the War Department or more commonly referred to now as the Department of Defense.
Don't Be A Sucker
 

Michael M. (58)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:47 pm
I see a lot of offensive language here.

I would see and raise that offense in person, but wish here to merely mention the Nuremburg Charter to which the USA was a signatory.

"The Nuremberg Charter, which was the basis by which the Allies charged the Nazis, invalidated this defence. It argued that to follow an order that seems illegal and not challenge it at all is illegal in the eyes of international law (Principle IV of the Charter). If a functionary is given what appears to be an illegal order or is privy to evidence of illegality, it is a legal (not just a moral) imperative to refuse the order or at least lodge a protest against it. General Telford Taylor, Chief Counsel for the U.S. at Nuremberg, coined the term “Nuremberg Defence”. When Manning saw the videos of what appeared to be illegal acts, or war crimes, he was—by the protocol of the Nuremberg Defence—under an obligation to speak out. He observed a war crime being covered up, saw evidence of it, and so released it to the general public"

THere are many living including from WWII who I know who saw US military commit crimes like shooting teenagers in the back of the head - 16 and 17 year=dld German conscripts in 1945.
I knew wounded VietNam vets who told us from hospital beds about their burning alive women, children in their huts. I have mentioned Lt. Calley's sentence many times in my life - he ordered the killing of over 400 innocents, and himself killed more than 20. He di 31/2 years of house arrest and was pardoned by the president. Many other psychopathic killers who worked fo rthe US military escaped with lesser sentences than this.

Bradley, now Chelsea Manning saw, and did his highest duty.

I do not appreciate women who have never been forced by circumstance to thrust a knife into others, coming to care2 and telling us that Manning deserved in ANY way the treatment he underwent.

If you have done such things, then you will take one of two tracks- turning, striving to become a more caring individual, or just tottering down into more ultimate evil, as the woman above appears to have done - once again, though, I'm sure she did not come to that position from her own actions or any victims of circumstance, but merely participate in the "revenge fiction" so perpetuated in the US and elsewhere.


I hope that care2 members come here only to advance care, love, understanding.

This site is inappropriate for others.
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:58 pm
Michael M., one doesn't have to have "thrust a knife into others" to have the right to hold an opinion on military matters, including this one. Indeed, using that argument, we would have to say that no one except combat veterans who have actually killed in combat should be allowed to hold an opinion on whether or not a war is justified or whether or not a particular military action constitutes an atrocity (after all, if we haven't "thrust a knife into others" how dare we think we know enough to judge military matters or the actions of military personnel?)

And, by the way, since U.S. women have historically not been allowed to serve in nearly every combat position (with military service by women being strongly and often officially discouraged or forbidden unless we're nursing the wounded) then few women will actually have had any opportunity whatsoever to knife anyone in battle. Does that mean we, as a sex, are mostly to be prohibited from speaking out and that men are, by and large, to be accepted as decision-makers on things military?
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 5:01 pm
And those women who may not have served in battle but nonetheless live with the fear for the safety of our husbands, sons, brothers, and fathers (and sometimes mothers, daughters, and sisters) very definitely have a stake in warfare. A woman (just like a man in the same position) who lives day to day, month to month, and sometimes year to year never knowing whether her soldier is dead or alive at any given time has, I believe, a right to an opinion.
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 5:56 pm
Just a note that women in the military have been in combat for many years now. In fact, Congress just finally passed a bill allowing them to receive "combat pay."
 

Carrie B. (305)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 5:56 pm
Manning got off easy. He deserves to serve the full sentence.
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 7:01 pm
Namir Noor-Eldeen age 22 Reuters employees photojournalist. No jury, no trial, given death sentence.

Namir was 21 years old when he did his groundbreaking work in Mosul. By the age of 22, he had seen as much death as many hardened combat veterans. As threats against his life mounted, from Iraqi insurgents unhappy with the truths his photos revealed, Reuters moved him to Baghdad for his own security. There, he quickly became one of the most beloved members of the Reuters staff, a cheerful, funny, smart young man who loved motorcycles, staff members recall.

Saeed Chmagh age 40, a Father, employed by Reuters news agency as a driver and camera assistant. No jury, no trial, given death sentence.

Perhaps most controversial is the killing of the wounded Reuters driver Saeed Chmagh minutes after the initial round of killing. Saeed Chmagh, wounded, was crawling on the ground, when a van appeared at the scene. In the van was Saleh Mutashar, taking his two children age nine and six to visit his brother.

Despite the absence of guns or any offensive threat, the helicopter pilots riddle the van with canon fire, killing Saeed Chmagh, the good Samaritans, the childrens Father and wounding the children who turned out to be in the van’s front seat.

Sajad Mutashar, one of the surviving children later told a reporter: "We were coming back and we saw an injured man. My father said, let's take him to hospital. Then I heard only the bullets. ... Why did they shoot us?"

Good Samaritans and his two children......again, death sentence with no jury no trial.

After their deaths, Reuters screened a photographic tribute to Noor-Eldeen and Chmagh in New York City's Times Square and London's Canary Wharf.

For those who do not think Bradley Mannings sentence was harsh enough.

Ask yourself what about these Reuters employees? Or the others that were with them that also died.

What about the good Samaritans and one of them with his two children ages 9 and 6 who saw their Father shot to death for trying to help another crawling in his own blood on the side of the road. What about them?

What about these innocent children who came back from a visit to their Uncle being riddled with bullets and fought for their life simply because their Dad was a caring and empathetic human being? Hmmm?

Bradley Manning was a witness.

Should he have turned his back and pretend he didn't see this wrong?

Should their cries gone unheard?

Should those deaths receive no justice?

"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing" Edmund Burke

Thank goodness the USA has people like Bradley Manning.

Please watch the video links I had previously given.
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 7:05 pm
Lois, there's a difference between women serving in a combat area - and being in a combat position. Right now the Army is working on how to integrate women into combat MOS positions. Of course women have for some time been allowed to serve as fighter pilots in the Navy and Air Force - things are changing, though slowly. But historically women weren't allowed in combat positions at all throughout most of U.S. military history and many are still closed to them.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 11:04 pm
@ Diane O, so what if Manning wants to become "Chelsea" why do you have a problem with this?


He is a Hero in my opinion, and you don't have to be an American to agree with what Manniing did !
 

Nyack Clancy (439)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 11:16 pm
@ Dandylion
"Should he have turned his back and pretend he didn't see this wrong?"

Nope- and no one at any point suggested he should have. He should have bought the material to the attention of his superiors. PERIOD. Not to the attention to a media who made a profit off the story.
 

Diane O. (148)
Friday August 23, 2013, 2:50 am
I feel sorry for Manning, and whatever changes he wants to make to his own body is none of my business. The prison system will not be kind to him because he is now a "Chelsea." We all know what happens in prisons. Again, I feel sorry for the life path he has charted for himself.



 

Lindsey O. (19)
Friday August 23, 2013, 4:25 am
Unfortunately for Manning, he did a great deal more than highlight one incident. An overwhelmingly great deal more. If I want to publicize, say, an instance of police malfeasance in a traffic stop, I'll hand out to the media the video of the traffic stop. I won't, however, go to the police station, grab 1000 file cabinets containing three quarters of a million police documents, and hand them over to Wikileaks.
 

Jason R. (60)
Friday August 23, 2013, 9:17 am
"conflicted, in every possible way"
How is knowing exactly what he wants, a conflict? How is any one to take you serious when you can't reason?

"Get current, my friend."

You would just LOVE for your people's screw ups, that effect us today, go away. History is there to learn from.

"Jason, I never lose an argument because I'm never concerned with winning an argument."

Really, Diane? You pepper these threads with fox propaganda throw up and hate for anything they tell the cyborgs to. post after post and you're going to sit there and tell us you're not concerned with winning/converting? I guess you could say that you're preaching as cultists do but we can all see that you are definitely concerned. Don't insult us by leaking down our leg and tell us it's raining.

"We all know what happens in prisons."
Kids in the new prison complex now say it's just like outside because we are ware housing non violent, pot smokers. Get up to date, Diane. The Reagan/republican privatizing for big profit is destroying our country.

"I feel sorry for the life path he has charted for himself. "

What part of born that way don't you grasp? He wants to START hormone therapy. OMG.
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Friday August 23, 2013, 9:47 am
I understand Manning will likely be incarcerated at the U.S. Disciplinary Barracks at Ft. Leavenworth. It's the only military prison that takes inmates sentenced to more than 10 years from what I've read. If so it's hardly "just like outside" and it hardly houses just "non-violent pot smokers."

Although the barracks is considered safer than most other prisons (after all, its inmates have at least the benefit of military discipline in their pasts and the military runs a tight ship), it's highly restrictive and in a military environment. Inmates must work a 40-hour workweek. And the inmates range from sexual offenders to murderers to drug offenders to whatever.
 

Ken O. (56)
Friday August 23, 2013, 10:06 am
There are at least two people here who are severely conflicted over the difference between a "hero" and a "traitor". People that murder civilians, hold people incarcerated indefinitely without counsel or charges, torture their captives, lie to congress to incite them to allow our military to invade another country, to lie about what they've done, these people are traitors and cowards. Those that expose those actions exhibit bravery and heroism, these people are hero's.
 

Ken O. (56)
Friday August 23, 2013, 10:10 am
Correction: "Those that expose those actions exhibit bravery and heroism, these people are hero's and patriots." Further, those that applaud torture, applaud the incarceration of those brave enough to expose the wrongdoings are cowards and traitors, they have lost their way.
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Friday August 23, 2013, 10:23 am
The difference between what we see as a "traitor" and a "hero" usually depends on a person's worldview and what the individual considers important and a priority. Benedict Arnold was a British patriot and a British hero. He was also an American traitor. I call him a traitor. Some Britons might have a different outlook, though. And anyone who wants to be free to jeopardize U.S. state relations and military security really shouldn't join the military to begin with. That isn't a soldier's function. Any military which allows its low-level soldiers to take independent action which has such far-reaching consequences is going to fail quite spectacularly in its mission since no military is a democracy.
 

Jason R. (60)
Friday August 23, 2013, 10:37 am
Fox or no Fox, lindsey. They stand out because of their repetitions.

People shouldn't join our traitorous military/MIC until the people can take back control and we need it. War always starts because of an illegal act.
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Friday August 23, 2013, 10:54 am
"Fox or no Fox...", Jason? Didn't get the meaning of that.
 

Jason R. (60)
Friday August 23, 2013, 1:28 pm
I think I meant that for Diane, lindsey. Sorry

That gunho/war personality.

I get to criticize our military because they used/burned up over 60% of my tax dollar. Every american gets to point out the crimes of illegal wars.

Torture?
Bradley Manning and the Case Against Solitary Confinement *

www.truth-out.org/ bradley-manning-and-case-against-solitary-confinement66626

American hero Bradly Manning has been tortured by the US Government for ... Manning has been kept alone in a cell for 23 hours a day, barred from ... Bradley Manning is a hero and we need his intelligence and skills in our

Our military is out of hand and they've taught our soldiers it's okay to be out of hand. Just like our police are taught to be out of hand by the tolerance they show. This once great country is now a nazi sh*t hole. When I say, I want my country back, there's no questioning what I mean. The people's country. Not the nazi, MICIA's booty.
I don't want a country that has turned into a soldier producing, tax eating machine. The one thing Ron Paul gets right.
Running around the play ground, taking kids money and then kicking them in the gonads ain't right. A lot of people need to change their views. For our collective sake.
I know I have 60% of the population behind those words. Thank you all.

 

Diane O. (148)
Friday August 23, 2013, 2:48 pm
How do you know you have 60% of the population behind those words? I don't think you will find anything to support that wild notion. Obama's approval rating is sitting at 40%

So, you don't want a strong military for the US. Breathtaking. You would much rather Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, etc. have the strongest military capabilities, right? Breathtaking.

If you think the citizens of the US are paying high taxes go to another country and check out that free healthcare and pensions they give everyone....their taxes are upward of 55% for everyone.

Sometimes, Jason, you just get too emotional and your favorite Nazi word begins to flow. No Nazi's in the US....we are teetering on socialism and the republicans, independents and libertarians are trying to save our country. The liberals believe in everything Obama and that smells like redistributive wealth/socialism but the only problem for Obama is that he is failing in his Saul Alinsky skills and the Cloward Piven Strategy...both clearly state that you cannot take a country to socialism UNLESS you have captured full control of their healthcare. Obamacare is leaking oil and will soon be shut down. Smart people understand what is going on with Obama in the White House. Read his book "Dreams From My Father" and you will know who you really voted for not once but twice.

Never say "thank you" when you are speaking from your heart. I do it all the time and I never feel I need to apologize for being honest about my feelings. I just wish you would read more books written by credible people.
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Friday August 23, 2013, 2:58 pm
Nyack' Manning had gone to his Superiors but he was ignored as they had blown him off before over his other issues he had raised.

Much of what Manning leaked as a junior Army intelligence analyst while serving in Iraq never should have been classified in the first place. Over-classification has been the subject of debate for years, particularly since the terrorist attacks of 9/11.

Security at FOB Hammer was so lax that Manning and his colleagues could leave secret military passwords on notes near their computers in what was described as a ''security free-for-all'' where the Pentagon and State Department's classified intelligence network was used as an entertainment system for music, films and casual viewing of intelligence and military video footage.

I'm sure under such lax conditions as that his concern of it being that "classified" simply was not ingrained so deep. Rather than throwing Manning under the bus with such an egregious sentence perhaps some higher ups should be standing in front of the Judge.

In any case, as with My Lai Massacre in Viet Nam, if actions under our flag are carried out that murder young children and other civilians without provocation on their part, then those actions need to be exposed and then corrected. It sickens me that I keep finding out more and more of these despicable actions are being done in my name and your name and too many Americans fail to see that and want to shoot the messenger as they say.

Bottom line we should of never been in Iraq, why isn't there more anger against a Government that brought us into a war based on lies? Costing many Americans their lives and many Iraq citizens too as well as costing the taxpayer billions for nothing. It's too easy to throw a young soldier under the bus than to honestly clean up our own backyard and dishonorable acts as a Country.
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Friday August 23, 2013, 3:13 pm
Oh please Diane for heavens sake, get off the darn socialism kick and liberal all the time. Socialism is far from what anything is going on today in this Country and the Democrats are more like what Republicans use to be.

I agree the Nazi term is used too loosely as well. If we are ever going to become a stronger Country we need to see that the average American is not the enemy here, that we have a Corporate Coup coming along with the TPP which is another dream many Republicans are supporting and it is also being supported by Obama. That is NOTHING like socialism. Obama has been the Republicans dream machine yet most Republicans still hate him. I've come to the conclusion it's only due to the fact he had a black Father; for his policies should make liberals scream in pain.

Even the Affordable Care Act was promoted by the Health Care Industry and based off of Romney's program set up in Massachusetts, which is NOTHING what the real far left liberals had wanted....not even close. In that Liberals agree with you, they don't want what came down. Some are holding their nose thinking it is better for them than nothing.
 

Nyack Clancy (439)
Friday August 23, 2013, 3:23 pm
@ Dandylion
"Much of what Manning leaked as a junior Army intelligence analyst while serving in Iraq never should have been classified in the first place."

That is not for you to decide- classified can simply mean it had not yet been thoroughly investigated.

What has Bradley Manning changed? The wealth of Julian Assange. Nothing else.


 

Diane O. (148)
Friday August 23, 2013, 3:41 pm
Redistributive wealth is, indeed, socialism. When a government mandates that you must pay for government controlled healthcare it is socialism. We already have pockets of socialism in our country where the government is running a service that they shouldn't be involved in.

If you haven't done so already read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and The Cloward-Piven Strategy and if you have time left over read Obama's own book "Dreams From My Father."

The Clinton's and the Obama's are huge Saul Alinksy and Cloward-Pivan Strategy fans. Socialism to its core....

With regard to Obamacare, the government should NEVER be in a position to mandate that the people who are sending in their taxes every payday MUST support and buy into a government run healthcare system or be penalized for not doing so. That is wrong on so many levels. But it passed but it passed because they call it a "tax." This is called circumventing our Constitution.

There's a better way. Republicans submitted their healthcare plan and it's a plan that would work for all Americans.

You have only to look across "the pond" at European countries who give "free healthcare." There's no such thing. Nothing is ever free. And while you are there research the higher taxes these people are paying so that everyone can have the same thing. Imagine that.....everyone has the same benefits even if they aren't paying into it. So, no, nothing is free. Obamacare today is causing a large company like UPS delivery to stop covering "spouses" under Obamacare because the premiums are escalating to the point that they cannot cover this cost for their employees as it greatly impacts their profit margin.

Kum Bah Ya won't work in America. We are a young country. Our country was built on capitalism and capitalism is the only thing that will save it. We can never be compared to other countries and their healthcare. Norway is now leaning right because they are seeing how socialism does not work. I believe we'll see more countries change their way of inserting a pacifier into their citizen's mouths to placate them while they continue to pay the higher taxes for those who pay nothing.
 

Diane O. (148)
Friday August 23, 2013, 3:49 pm
Dandelion, we have disagreed on many topics in the past. We disagree on our solutions to problems. I am a strong believer in personal responsibility Americans. I'm a "Teach A Man To Fish" promoter rather than throw a man a fish every day so that he can eat and feed his family. This is why we are at odds with each other. I believe Americans want to work and take care of themselves. Americans look down on those who aren't pulling their weight in our country. Our disabled Americans are the ones we should be taking care of with a cost of living raise and more benefits for them and their families. We, in my opinion, are placing our tax dollar emphasis in the wrong area. People who are disabled in our country through no fault of their own or even if it was their fault should be our primary focus. The rest of Americans need to get an education, get a job, and stop having babies every year that they cannot afford. And....they need to take birth control instead of using abortion as a birth control method murdering unborn babies due to their own stupidity and lack of discipline.

 

Nyack Clancy (439)
Friday August 23, 2013, 3:58 pm
And all this has to do with the sentencing of Bradley Manny... HOW?
 

Nyack Clancy (439)
Friday August 23, 2013, 3:59 pm
Sorry- that was Bradley Manning- or Chelsea, even.
 

Diane O. (148)
Friday August 23, 2013, 4:06 pm
We know what you meant. Typos happen.

All I can offer on Manning is what I've said above. This is a conflicted young man with serious personal issues and he stepped out and went to Russia with his information. That's what I would call a traitor. He got 35 years and he will not spend 35 years in prison. However, to complicate his conflicted life he will be entering prison as "Chelsea." Now tell me that he doesn't have mental issues....and the life path he has charted are going to smack him in the face.

When anyone is considering a gender change that has to be monumental psychologically. I honestly do not know what to think about Manning. And, again, I'll state that as a mother of a son I feel very sorry for him. I cannot imagine my son having all of this on his shoulders. It's sad.
 

Nyack Clancy (439)
Friday August 23, 2013, 4:20 pm
" This is a conflicted young man with serious personal issues and he stepped out and went to Russia with his information. "


ummmmm.... errrr.... you may be talking about Edward Snowden...
 

Diane O. (148)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 3:42 am
I believe you are right!! Got the names mixed up....it was a long day for me LOL!
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 11:03 am
Nyack You quoted my comment: "Much of what Manning leaked as a junior Army intelligence analyst while serving in Iraq never should have been classified in the first place."

You said: "That is not for you to decide- classified can simply mean it had not yet been thoroughly investigated."

The National Archives has released the 2011 report by the Information Security Oversight Office. The Office is charged by presidential directive to oversee and analyze the various document classification and declassification processes within the U.S. government.

The report lays out the progress or lack of progress in the government’s attempts to control the amount of classified documents it produces and retains.

The paper concludes that the current classification system contains few incentives to not classify a document.

I never said this was my "personal" decision I said there is much debate over it and within this debate this has been a conclusion. You may read it on the official Government link below.

http://www.archives.gov/isoo/

I just think we need to be careful before we throw citizens under the bus so quickly and with such lengthy sentences when our own Government is conflicted. When proper protocol by his higher ups were not being followed.
 
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