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Israel and the Gulf Increasingly Nervous Over Iran-U.S. DéTente

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As hopeful, albeit vague, statements about talks in Geneva between Iran and the great powers continued to issue from the Swiss city Tuesday, foes of détente between Washington and Tehran maintained their own high tempo of work.

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Past Member (0)
Thursday October 17, 2013, 4:31 am
As always, the devil is in the details.

lee e (114)
Thursday October 17, 2013, 9:29 am
Noted - I don't trust Israel at all - but then I don't trust the US either

Kit B (276)
Thursday October 17, 2013, 10:41 am

I think Bibi needs to get a grip. There is a possibility of removing the threat of Iran and nukes. Which is something Bibi should be thrilled about. I'm far more concerned about an unstable government like Pakistan or North Korea having nukes. We may not like the governing body of Iran, but it's been 300 years since they declared war on anyone. They are claiming they will open their labs and sites to UN and IAEA inspectors and have even mentioned doing away with all nuclear products. What more could anyone ask for?

Kit B (276)
Thursday October 17, 2013, 10:43 am

One other thing - it is one thing to say you will do something and then actually doing that. Currently Iran is hurting, the people are hurting from the sanctions, I think they are willing to do most anything to end the sanctions. Time will tell.

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 17, 2013, 1:11 pm
I dont know if i trust any governments

Colleen L (3)
Thursday October 17, 2013, 1:38 pm
Good points Kit. Amazing how the government wants our trust, but they never follow through. Thanks Cal

Jason S (50)
Thursday October 17, 2013, 6:29 pm
Good posting, thanks

Lee Hampton (15)
Thursday October 17, 2013, 7:46 pm

There is apparently no Islamist country that Obama doesn't like and won't cozy up to, Shia, Sunni and the list goes on. The Muslim Brotherhood he likes to depict as "secular", when according to its motto "Sharia is our constitution, Mohammad is our leader, and Dying for Allah is our greatest aspiration."

Therefore, no matter how bogus, has transparent, how insincere Rouhani in reality is, after all he is simply the friendliest façade the Iranian Mullocracy has to show to the world. Having been vetted by the most rabid of Islamist Ayatollahs, you can be sure that the difference between him and his predecessors is at most skin deep.

For all that Israel and the Gulf States do not have in common, the one thing they share is a very deep mistrust of Iran and its nuclear ambitions as well as its geo-religio-political ambitions to be The One to be the next greatest Islamic empire and host to the global Caliphate that Iranians are sure is just around the corner.

Indeed, we should take our cues from the Sunnis' and Shias' long, ugly, bloody and violent history with each other that started shortly after Muhammad's death and continues violently today with no signs of abating until it is settled by one or the others annihilation.

Netanyahu certainly has a very realistic, existential grip on the situation, as do the Gulf Oil States. But this issue is not in any way isolated to the Middle East. The repercussions are world-wide and at our back door at this moment.

You may be interested, if not too ideologically blinded and boxed in, in the following article which is but one of many that exemplifies Iran's great attempts to project itself well outside of its region.

Growing Hezbollah Presence in Southwest U.S.

Hezbollah’s 'business relationship' with Mexican drug cartels is a driving force behind this phenomenon.
Terrorism expert Matthew Levitt writes that an increasing number of U.S. prison inmates have tattoos that are pro-Hezbollah or are in Farsi, the language spoken in Iran. The claim is made in Levitt’s new book, Hezbollah: The Global Footprint of Lebanon's Party of God.

“Law enforcement officials across the Southwest are reporting a rise in imprisoned gang members with Farsi tattoos” and some express loyalty to Hezbollah.

His book includes an eye-opening quote from another official: “You could almost pick your city and you would probably have a [Hezbollah] presence.”

Hezbollah’s business relationship with Mexican drug cartels is seen as a driving force behind the phenomenon.

In 2009, Michael Braun, former Chief of Operations for the Drug Enforcement Agency, said that Hezbollah uses “the same criminal weapons smugglers, document traffickers and transportation experts as the drug cartels.”

In April 2010, an individual named Jamal Yousef was apprehended in New York City. During interrogation, he admitted to stealing weapons from Iraq for Hezbollah. Yousef alone knew of a Hezbollah stockpile in Mexico that included 100 M-16 assault rifles, 100 AR-15 rifles, 2500 hand grenades, C4 explosives and anti-tank weapons.

An actual member of Hezbollah was captured in Tijuana in July 2010. His arrest was the smoking gun proof that Hezbollah is investing in building a network in Mexico.

An unnamed senior Mexican military officer confirmed to then-Rep. Sue Myrick (R-NC) that Hezbollah was giving explosives training to members of Mexican drug cartels. She wrote a letter to the Department of Homeland Security warning it “might lead to Israel-like car bombings of Mexican/USA border personnel or National Guard units in the border regions.”

Very shortly thereafter, a drug cartel detonated a car bomb for the first time and killed 4 people in Ciudad Juarez. It was described as having “Hezbollah-like sophistication” and a Tucson Police Department reported later said there is a “strong suspicion” that Hezbollah had traded its expertise.

Hezbollah’s presence goes further south than Mexico. The Venezuelan government has been accused of colluding with Hezbollah and Iran for years. It’s long been understood that Hezbollah operates in the tri-border area of Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil.

The Wall Street Journal says that Hezbollah is “forging ideologically promiscuous ties with Colombia’s right-wing paramilitary groups and communist guerillas and digging tunnels for drug cartels on the Mexican-American border—the same kinds of tunnel networks it has spent years perfecting along the geographically similar Lebanese-Israeli border.”

Roger Noriega, former Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, could not be clearer in his urgent warnings:

“If our government and responsible partners in Latin America fail to act, I believe there will be an attack on U.S. personnel, installations or interests in the Americas as soon as Hezbollah operatives believe that they are capable of such an operation without implicating their Iranian sponsors in the crime.”

Noriega said that in 2011. That was two years ago. The threat has only grown since then.
The following clip, "Radical Islamic Recruitment Inside U.S. Prisons" is from The Clarion Project film, The Third Jihad:

Pakistan, Korea, Iran all have places in pantheon of radicalized governments to worry about, none are mutually exclusive.

Given how this president has lost no opportunity to screw up virtually anything he has touched in his foreign policy, we should all be concerned that he will not break his record.

After all, the majority of Egyptians consider Obama to be the enabler of the terrorist, torturous Muslim Brotherhood. They hate our government precisely because of everything Obama has in effect done do them.

Remember, the Qur’an says, “War is Deceit”. We have no excuse not to keep our enemies close and know all that we can about about them.

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday October 17, 2013, 10:27 pm
The big problem is the precedent set by Clinton with North Korea. North Korea made a huge show of negotiating and offering to end its program up to the day it ran its first test. When they look at the "detente", they see the same thing all over again, but worse. The differences are that Iran's leaders have declared a desire to see another country completely destroyed and have been supporting a proxy-force actively engaged in hostilities with that country for decades without facing reprisals.

Iran may not have declared war on anybody in a long time, but it has engaged in acts of war repeatedly since the revolution of the 1970s. With decades of demonstrations that deterrence does not apply to them, does anybody really think that Iran's leaders would be as hesitant to use the bomb as those of North Korea have been?

Very few people really want to see war in Iran. They mostly worry is that it may be inevitable at this point, and believe that if it is, the sooner it happens, the quicker and less bloody it will be.

Winn A (179)
Friday October 18, 2013, 11:26 am

Birgit W (160)
Friday October 18, 2013, 3:18 pm
Thanks Cal.

Helen Porter (39)
Friday October 18, 2013, 11:44 pm
I do not believe in trust. I do believe in risk factors.

No one is perfect, no not one. There are many unsuspected factors that can enter in. If we are foolish enough to trust, we may get badly hurt and sob, "I never thought she'd do that"

I don't "trust" even my friends. It isn't fair to "trust" without evaluating the risk factors. We are all fallible.

I don't "trust" myself. How many times have I been cock sure that I wouldn't do THAT. Yet, the time came when I did do that. Yahshua told Peter that Peter would deny him 3 times. Peter says" Oh, no. Not me. I would never deny you even if I had to die with you, I would not deny you." Before the night was over, Peter had "done it" 3 times.

I don't even trust Creator completely. He's been known to change his mind and let us know he has by putting it right there in scripture.

Trust is to put yourself in a gullible position where you are not able to use your common sense and the wisdom Creator gave you to evaluate and protect yourself against the humanness of people....both your best friend and yourself.

It is not fair even to the other person to "trust" them.

Helen Porter (39)
Saturday October 19, 2013, 7:59 pm
Respectfully, lee, would you deny those who disagree with you the right to present their views?

... I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ... Victor Hugo…

Both the calling of names and the using of curse words prove a limited vocabulary. I read the quote
one time and now would be embarrassed to use curse words and name calling.

You are better than that.

Again, with respect

Zee Kallah

Past Member (0)
Monday October 21, 2013, 7:31 am
Lee rudeness and personal attacks on Care2 Members were reported to to Care2. Such posts are unacceptable.


Past Member (0)
Monday October 21, 2013, 7:36 am
Stephen, I agree with you.

While Iran did not declare an OPEN war for a long time, it runs a number of COVERT wars all the time: against Gulf states, against Israel, against Lebanon.

The crazy militant mullahs will not stop at nuking of millions people to earn their Paradise. They cheated West for so long, that they cannot be trusted at all. Their move to replace an openly crazy fanatic Ah-MAD-Inejad to a well-known cheat, knowing how to stale disarmament negotiation for years, is just another proof that sanctions work, and must be tightened for these guys to disarm.


Roger G (154)
Monday October 21, 2013, 3:05 pm
noted, thanks
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