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Golden Dawn Is Growing - Europe Must Help Curb the Rise of the Far Right


World  (tags: world, violence, politics, europe, far right politics, government, freedoms )

Cal
- 183 days ago - theguardian.com
The inability of both the Greek and Cypriot states to stand up to fascist groups is a call to action at European level



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Theodore Shayne (56)
Friday October 18, 2013, 5:33 am
So it begins. The far right has been building since 1943 when the Nazis knew they were going to lose. They had a contingency plan that was far reaching and today is coming to fruition. Economic malaise and restructuring foment the conditions necessary for extremists to flourish; whether they be religious or political.
 

John S. (294)
Friday October 18, 2013, 5:55 am
Perhaps the rise has been on both the left and the right, as I recall stories of murders committed by both sides. Personally I think George Lordanou is a nut case, so I don't really hold his opinion up.
 

pam w. (187)
Friday October 18, 2013, 8:46 am
It's NOT just Europe! We have our share here and Asia, Africa and the Middle East are also sites of hatred.

Religious fanatics abound! So do racists (often the same people, aren't they?)
 

Bryna Pizzo (139)
Friday October 18, 2013, 10:58 am
Watch the video that has a link in the article. That thug slings water on one woman and slaps another woman! His monstrous behavior is equivalent to the the behavior of men in the far right in the states though they may not swing their hands at women literally they are doing so with the laws they are passing and taking away women's health services around the country. Poverty and fear provide fertile ground for the rise of groups like the Golden Dawn, and we must do all we can to curb the parallel groups in the states. Thank you for the important news, Cal.
 

Carol D. (98)
Friday October 18, 2013, 12:05 pm
For this not to get bigger in Europe they have to start curbing immigration by not letting hundreds of thousands in to countries that are bulging at the seams This is creating tensions anyway and thats how troubles and problems start and riots and the rise of groups like this
 

Carol Dreeszen (368)
Friday October 18, 2013, 1:28 pm
So much hatred against the right!! I assume the right in Europe can be compared with the right in the US!? It amazes me how some can be so sure of their political beliefs and attack the right as Religious nuts when there appears to be so much hatred coming from the left with no Religious beliefs! It appears quite hypocritical to me.
 

Kate Kenner (202)
Friday October 18, 2013, 1:29 pm
They'll be sorry if they don't do something before it goes to o far. no one took the holocaust seriously until it was too late and over 6,000,000 people were killed. Greece can live in denial but they will pay for it; certainly the targets of Golden Daw affected by it will suffer the most. interesting how the emblem on their flag resemble a swastika.
 

Madhu Pillai (22)
Friday October 18, 2013, 1:48 pm
noted
 

Allan Yorkowitz (461)
Friday October 18, 2013, 2:10 pm
There are not enough people old enough to remember when the Nazi flag flew from the Parthenon.
 

Lynne Buckley (0)
Friday October 18, 2013, 2:50 pm
Golden Dawn are thugs. Their behaviour needs to be stopped immediately before they become even more powerful.
 

kate k g (448)
Friday October 18, 2013, 2:55 pm
Thank you Allan.It is an irony in Greece to have nazi lovers. In Greece who nazis in WW2 execute so many innocent men, women and children. And not only in Greece.In many other countries :-(
 

Birgit W. (135)
Friday October 18, 2013, 3:08 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

Julie W. (20)
Friday October 18, 2013, 4:10 pm
''What explains the rise of Golden Dawn? The short answer is chronic corruption, economic austerity and the perpetuation of populist lies about immigration.'

Aren't these exactly the same circumstances that occurred in Germany in the 1930's? For 'immigration; read 'Jews', and you have the beginnings of a very nasty situation.
 

Joanne Dixon (34)
Friday October 18, 2013, 6:06 pm
Thanks for not feeding the troll.
 

Peta Clarke (23)
Friday October 18, 2013, 6:28 pm
Very interesting article. Hitler was allowed to rise through economic austerity. Thank you
 

John B. (215)
Friday October 18, 2013, 6:31 pm
Thanks Cal for the link to the article by Mr. Iordanou. I hope we are not seeing the rise of the Francoforte ogni Riech (Fourth Riech)! Read and alarmingly noted.
 

Jason S. (57)
Friday October 18, 2013, 7:07 pm
Good posting, thanks
 

Stephen Brian (24)
Saturday October 19, 2013, 12:23 am
The short answer given to explain the rise of Golden Dawn in the article is exactly wrong. In fact, acting on that belief would only drive its popularity up.

Greece ran into trouble not from voluntary austerity, but from crushing public debts that it could never hope to pay. It was forced into austerity as its government's credit rating was reduced to junk and nobody would lend it the money to keep spending as it had. The populist lies about immigration were also not even close to what drove the rise of Golden Dawn on that front. It was the growing immigrant population and special favorable treatment effectively given to Muslims throughout the E.U. (especially by governments that regularly gave in to threats of violence). The lies themselves are, obviously, false, but excessive denial and action to "correct for discrimination" only promotes them.

I think I commented before, following the attack by Anders Breivik, about how both the Left and Right were driving Europe towards another Holocaust-scale genocide. The most troubling part is that at this point, the most effective way to prevent it may be to let things get much worse in a place like Greece, to allow for a backlash from the rest of Europe against extremism before all of Europe slides in that direction in unison. the almost funny part is that there is exactly one major country in the E.U. where I have not heard about organized extremism of this sort, Germany.
 

Alfred Donovan (44)
Saturday October 19, 2013, 12:32 am
This is a very worrying situation but nearly every country in the EU have a far right extremist party in the UK it is the BNP which is steadily gaining ground.By banning these people from participating in the democratic process would only drive them underground and make things far worse than they are now.I personalty would rather know who these idiots are than be in a position of not knowing who I'm talking to.
 

Inge Bjorkman (98)
Saturday October 19, 2013, 1:58 am
This phenomenon is worldwide now.

Love and Peace
 

Ben Oscarsito (347)
Saturday October 19, 2013, 6:46 am
Why don't we EVER learn from history - DAMMIT!!!
 

Jim Phillips (3206)
Saturday October 19, 2013, 9:59 am
Spammer Flagged.
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John D. (45)
Saturday October 19, 2013, 6:30 pm
The far right of any system is dangerous...
 

Karen Chestney (95)
Saturday October 19, 2013, 8:37 pm
Thank--you for running this very important article.! Does no one learn from history ? Austerity IS a bad & dangerous thing. We...in The US need to keep this in mind. We seriously need to repeal the Sequester....And ...this is a good example of one very important reason...WHY ! It is also a good reason(besides the obvious) to VOTE the Stupid & crazy people OUT of office. Vote DEM. in 2014.
 

Colleen L. (2)
Saturday October 19, 2013, 11:33 pm
Wish they'd learn their lesson. Thanks Cal
 

Ben B. (34)
Sunday October 20, 2013, 3:42 am
This is deeply disturbing. I was likewise shocked, though not surprised, by the rise of Marie le Pen in France. The rise of political extremists is a threat to democracy and human rights everywhere.
 

ewoud k. (73)
Sunday October 20, 2013, 6:44 am
Humanity NEVER learned from history.
So why do you expect political brightness?

Julie (some comments above) said it all.

What did we, parents of the generation that's out on the streets with their dangerous ideas, do wrong when we educated our kids?
 

bob m. (32)
Sunday October 20, 2013, 8:25 am


political extremists???...Europe is sinking in a quagmire of socialist.anarchist, masochistic fascist useful idiocy ; these Extremists are amongst many groups readying to try to save their cultures. .Somebody needs to extricate their heads from their butts... Stephen....nobody deires extremes ... but when you have a viral cult..ure like this invading your homeland .. to recoupe what it sees as ITS religious right and responsibility at the core and root... somebody is bound to say NO.. eventually!... Try raping a daughter of mine Steve; by one of the rape gangs of high moral jihadi ethos at the boundaries of areas of my city I can't feel safe walking through or being told my home town will soon all be under sharia.. I'm older now Steve; but IF you were one of these creeps and beat my daughter half to death cause she was not amongst your black tent covered zombie women; or worse .. I'd come for you...make no mistake about that...
 

bob m. (32)
Sunday October 20, 2013, 8:29 am


Incidentally .. the Nazis and islam were cheek by jowl in the war .. as the romped about killing jews and exchanging body fluids.
 

bob m. (32)
Sunday October 20, 2013, 8:31 am


come Lord Jesus.
 

bob m. (32)
Sunday October 20, 2013, 11:33 am


The far right AND the Far left would seem equally dangerous.. you'll find them in the back rooms doing the anal stuff in turn and in abandonement within their covens.
 

Syd Henley (0)
Monday October 21, 2013, 11:44 am
Free speech is and always must be a human right, whether you like what is said or not. If one group takes away or in anyway tries to curb that right from another group, we cease to be DEMOCRATIC and the group taking away the right becomes a DICTATORSHIP.
I am an ATHEIST and find the rantings of religionists of all types, (christian, muslim, or jewish) very annoying, BUT I respect their freedom of speech and would fight for their Right to say and believe what they want.
 

Syd Henley (0)
Monday October 21, 2013, 11:50 am
@john D, you say "The far right of any system is dangerous... "
But just as dangerous if not more so, is the far left.
 

ewoud k. (73)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 10:03 am
This one, a comment published in The Guardian, gives some perspective to the "easy reactions" made sometimes in newspapers:
http://www.care2.com/news/member/211733381/3661415
 

tasunka m. (334)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 10:45 am
noted, and incensed at the old stereotypical bullying coming around again
there is nothing new about bigotry and intolerance,left ,right,middle
it is what is done that matters,and the reason should never be that of race or religion,I too am not religious but I let people believe what they want as long as they don't push for hurting others
thanks Cal
 
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