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Sandy Hook a Year Later: Our Hopeless Gun Debate


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: guncontrol, Newtown massacre, issues )

Cal
- 221 days ago - theweek.com
Each side is too quick to demonize the other



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Arielle S. (316)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 1:38 pm
and in the meantime, people die....
 

Kit B. (277)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 1:43 pm

We have so many good gun laws on the books, passed done and not enforced. If we do not enforce the laws we have what good will it do to pass more laws that can also be ignored? This is something that needs a re-think and not just finger pointing, life really is at stake here.
 

Betsy Bee (1045)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 2:17 pm
Exactly, Kit, law passed, though not enforced. We have to watch Congress more closely. Congress will happily pass laws we want and never vote for the funds to enforce the laws.

The Feds are missing a golden opportunity for meaningful gun laws.. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms exists because the federal government can only directly collect taxes from citizens on alcohol, tobacco and firearms. The reason the Constitution allows federal taxation of alcohol, tobacco and firearms is because none of these things were considered necessary to maintaining "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" by the authors of the Constitution.

Purchase of any gun should be taxed highly. All guns should be registered just like cars. There should be an annual registration fee collected by the federal government and a state or county on all firearms which an individual owns.

When I owned a fully automatic AK-47, I had to pay $400. a year for the federal tax stamp. Gun owners and the NRA thought that there should be a tax stamp, to be renewed annually, on all fully automatic assault rifles.

Since the NRA has gone on record that fully automatic rifles should have a tax stamp that required annual renewal. Such renewable tax stamps should be put on the things that make a firearm more deadly, such as extended magazines, star light scopes, and folding paratrooper stocks.
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 3:57 pm
Noted, there should be a much stronger gun control !
 

Dave C. (213)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 4:53 pm
hopeless and missing is the discussion we needed to have.....sad to see a new shooting happened yesterday....
 

Tanya W. (43)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 6:39 pm
Nothing is going to change until gun reform is in place!! This is not the bloody wild west!! It is civilized society gone mad!!! Innocent babes are paying the price for stupidity and pig headedness!!! How many more must die or close calls??? The blood is on the walls!!!
 

Michael A. (27)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 7:53 pm
Noted
 

Tanya W. (43)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 8:28 pm
Now that plastic guns can be manufactured with a 3d printer no-one is safe - the victim could just qs easily be the shooter! Where will it end??!
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 10:00 pm
I REFUSE TO BE "HOPELESS"...............I have in my possession, 5 petitions, room for 5 registered voters , to sign for here in Washington state, "say yes to criminal background checks, etc."...our governor just sent e-mails to all us Dems, that he needs our support to get this passed...but it is a question for the ballot..........so, I am....going to go get 25 more signatures for the ballot.............(God, keep me safe in my neighborhood, the druggies "HATE" me.....I don't care what your religion is,!!!..I respect all major ones!...please say prayers for me, to keep me safe, as I gather signatures on this issue!! Thankyou! All my love, your friend , Shelly!...(like I tell everyone that is trying to move into our little apartments,..."...think of me me like your old Grandma!...I AM NOT TOLERATING CRAP!!...THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, I HAVE WORKED MY BUTT OFF TO TAKE IT BACK, MAKE IT SAFE FOR ALL OF US!!...don't like that, find somewhere else to live, but this is "NOT CHOCOLATE CITY ANYMORE!!(NO HERORINE, NO CRACK, NO CRYSTAL METH!! !I WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE COPS!!!NO MORE GANG BANGERS, NO MORE "BLAH-BLAH-BLAH!!!DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".....I will have you busted, AND I WIL NOT THINK TWICE ABOUT IT!!!....YOU THINK OF ME AS YOUR GRANDMOTHER WITH HER SLIPPER IN HER HAND TO SLAP YOU UPSIDE THE HEAD!!!!!..AND ASK , WHAT PART OF NO DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND!!!???!!!..........AND I WILL FIND OUT!!!...SO, do not apply, because it is a non-refundable rental application fee, you lose some money, I tell you no!..........so here is the criteria, you must pass...."..", okay, bubbie...I have to say no...and as your Grandma, this is what you need to do to "start taking responsibility, so you can start over again..but it is not here right now..maybe in "blank years", depending on the indivigual................NO GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WITHOUT CRIMINAL/MENTAL ILLNESS BACKGROUND CHECKS!!!!!!!!!!!!....(and if someone doesnot like it?............kiss my old grandma butt!...but if you try?.....RUN, RUN, RUN LIKE HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(it really would be in your best interest,..in my neighborhood, anyway!)....ha!..take the crap by the horns logical, and WE will win!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 10:13 pm
Hopeless is the word that says it all, unfortunately.
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 10:58 pm
PS..my comment above,...they have for years called this area next to McChord AirForce base, "chocolate city", because it was and has been notorious for "chocolate heroine"..I.threw my hands up in the air??????!!! when I first heard the term!!...I thought they were a bunch of dumb, predjudice white people (which , THEY ARE!!!), TRYING TO SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF ME, when I first moved here 1 1/2 years ago..and I am white, but you don't know how many nationalities are in my family!?!..........NO ONE!!!, GETS TO BE BLATANTLY PREDJUDICE IN MY PRESENCE, WITHOUT LEGAL REPURCUSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in this neighborhood, "chocolate city refers to the blatant crack and heroin use buying an selling...which, in less than one year is down to less than 2%..and 7 morehave just been "evicted legally" from the neighborhood.................THE GOOD GUYS, ARE WINNING!!!!!!!!!!.............on my block of the neighborhood!
 

Alfred Donovan (44)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 1:19 am
Why is there so much fascination in the US for guns there is no place in a civilized society for ordinary citizens to go about armed to the teeth in peacetime.I get the impression that the US has not yet advanced from the cowboy era.The only thing that has charged are the weapons they have become more advanced and deadly.
 

John S. (297)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 1:57 am
I don't always agree with Kit, but I do here.
 

Irene S. (59)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 6:11 am
Watched from far away, it seems, that gun stuff is the same in the US as bull fighting is in Spain. A lot of national consciousness.
I agree with Kit, enforcement would be the first step.
 

. (0)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 6:57 am
Yes, it is hopeless. Every time after a shooting, there is a little bit of outrage, then the shootings fade into the background and are never talked about again. Thanks for sharing, Cal.
 

Debbie W. (113)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 11:14 am
Gun regulation is NOT the real solution. Education for all and permanently locking up those who are seriously mentally ill is what needs to be done.
 

Roger Garin-michaud (61)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 11:40 am
noted, thanks
 

Birgit W. (140)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 12:29 pm
Guns should not be allowed, period.
 

FranNOMAILPLS Darcy (213)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 1:22 pm
Too many guns about ...
 

Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 1:35 pm
With the gun laws already in place, this is an Obama lack of legislation.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 3:41 pm
The article makes a lot of sense. It is true there is a huge gun industry but that should not drive the economy. There is big money in Crack and heroin as well but I do not think that it should be part of the projected income for a state.

Having said all that I know that shooting is fun and there are lots of people that like to hunt, however I for one if I were a hunter would like to know that the other people in the woods with rifles and guns were not crazy and understood the rudiments of gun safety.

We all drive cars, we all recognize that there is an inherent danger to using automobiles. We think that they should be licensed for safety and that drivers are educated to the rules and have the capability to operate them safely. Why not have the same rules apply to guns. They should not be in the hands of crazy, uneducated untrained people. That would be the minimum of what is necessary.

What crazy need is there to carry concealed guns. If you are stupid enough to carry a gun around others should know what type of person you are.
 

Phil P. (89)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 5:43 pm
We've lost all common sense and reason where profit and power are concerned.
 

Ben B. (39)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 6:06 pm
I hesitate to comment on such a contentious US domestic issue, but I've never really understood the obsession with the 2nd amendment right to bear arms..., it might've made sense during the War of Independence, when the defence of the new nation depended to some extent on citizen militias, but when the nation now has the most powerful military forces in the world, there can hardly be the same need for citizens to be armed with military grade weapons...

Noted, thanks Cal for posting.
 

Franck R. (50)
Monday December 16, 2013, 4:13 am
Noted
 

Sara V. (0)
Monday December 16, 2013, 9:52 am
Here's an article which begs some thought -


72 Killed Resisting Gun Confiscation in Boston


Boston – National Guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of recently banned assault weapons were ambushed by elements of a Para-military extremist faction. Military and law enforcement sources estimate that 72 were killed and more than 200 injured before government forces were compelled to withdraw.

Speaking after the clash, Massachusetts Governor Thomas Gage declared that the extremist faction, which was made up of local citizens, has links to the radical right-wing tax protest movement.

Gage blamed the extremists for recent incidents of vandalism directed against internal revenue offices. The governor, who described the group’s organizers as “criminals,” issued an executive order authorizing the summary arrest of any individual who has interfered with the government’s efforts to secure law and order.

The military raid on the extremist arsenal followed wide-spread refusal by the local citizenry to turn over recently outlawed assault weapons.

Gage issued a ban on military-style assault weapons and ammunition earlier in the week. This decision followed a meeting in early this month between government and military leaders at which the governor authorized the forcible confiscation of illegal arms.

One government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, pointed out that “none of these people would have been killed had the extremists obeyed the law and turned over their weapons voluntarily.”

Government troops initially succeeded in confiscating a large supply of outlawed weapons and ammunition. However, troops attempting to seize arms and ammunition in Lexington met with resistance from heavily-armed extremists who had been tipped off regarding the government’s plans.

During a tense standoff in the Lexington town park, National Guard Colonel Francis Smith, commander of the government operation, ordered the armed group to surrender and return to their homes. The impasse was broken by a single shot, which was reportedly fired by one of the right-wing extremists.

Eight civilians were killed in the ensuing exchange.

Ironically, the local citizenry blamed government forces rather than the extremists for the civilian deaths. Before order could be restored, armed citizens from surrounding areas had descended upon the guard units. Colonel Smith, finding his forces over matched by the armed mob, ordered a retreat.

Governor Gage has called upon citizens to support the state/national joint task force in its effort to restore law and order. The governor also demanded the surrender of those responsible for planning and leading the attack against the government troops.

Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and John Hancock, who have been identified as “ringleaders” of the extremist faction, remain at large.

And this fellow Americans, is how the American Revolution began, April 20, 1775.

On July 4th, 1776 these same extremists signed the Declaration of Independence, pledging to each other and their countrymen their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. Many of them lost everything, including their families and their lives over the course of the next few years.
 

Lindsay Kemp (1)
Monday December 16, 2013, 9:58 am
Background checks on people who wish to own a gun seem to me to be a very basic step. And nobody needs a repeat action weapon in their home.
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Monday December 16, 2013, 1:09 pm
We used to have an Assault Weapons Ban....for 10 yrs. It wasn't even discussed in Congress when it expired and came up for renewal during the Bush regime. This is something Congress should absolutely do again.
 

Jamie Clemons (280)
Monday December 16, 2013, 1:25 pm
Ct already had strict gun laws. Its illegal to bring guns to school but that did not stop them only left them defenseless. Everyone talks about sandy hook but that is a rare event. Nobody talks about all the people in the hood that are gunned down every day in places like Chicago where they also have strict gun laws. I don't know what the answer is, but I don't think legislation is the solution. A lot of things are needed better mental health being foremost on the list.
 

Jamie Clemons (280)
Monday December 16, 2013, 1:30 pm
Maybe the asylums were not such nice places to be locked up in, but they could build better assylums where you have a nice place to live for mentally ill people who can't adapt to society. They shut down almost all of the mental health services and then wonder why all this bad stuff and homelessness is rampant. Just drug them up and turn them loose doesn't always work.
 

Ganaisha Calvin (6)
Monday December 16, 2013, 11:49 pm
thanks for sharing
 

Sara V. (0)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 9:44 am
I think asylums aren't the answer. Society's so messed up, that most people are mentally ill in some way these days - you'd have to be in order to cope with the mess. The irony is that the people who act out because they can't take it anymore are the ones who get labeled as "off."

No one wants to acknowledge that we live in the Wild West, but we do. Ask any animal whether they must look out for themselves every day or not, and they would answer yes. It's we humans with our laws and rules who pretend that we are different, but the truth is that there will always be people out to get others, and we have to be ready to defend ourselves against them. It's the way of the world.
 

Sara V. (0)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 9:48 am
"It's we humans with our laws and rules who pretend that we are different, but the truth is that there will always be people out to get others, and we have to be ready to defend ourselves against them."

The fact that most criminals operate within the "law" can make it more difficult to perceive their transgressions, Look at all the "laws" enacted to protect Monsanto's interests - they are out to get us, it's just not so blatantly violent that way.
 

Sara V. (0)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 10:12 am
The reason so many teenagers "act out" is because they see the reality they are about to enter into and how they have been lied to by adults around them all their lives - they way of our society is the exact opposite of everything they have been brought up to believe.

Jiddu Krishnamurti said that "It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
 

ewoud k. (73)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 2:36 pm
You can't get rid of the fingers that pull the triggers, but you can ban the triggers.

The number of guns around in the US -legal or illegal- must lower drastically to stop these everyday-shootings.

And yes, existing legislation IF properly applied would be a good start, but political strength is needed to do so.

Thanks for posting.
 

Shirley A. (96)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 2:16 pm
This is ANOTHER SITUATION where there is NOT equal blame to go to both parties. The Republicans have set their caps on denying ANY DECENT OR COMMON SENSED legislation to get passed or even brought to a vote to help our country move on and heal from the devastation THEY left us in. They are set on punishing the MAJORITY of this country for not voting for their ignorant, selfish and hateful agendas in the last two elections and think that the voting public will run scared and vote for them because they are sick and tired of the BS games in Congress and will cave just to get something done. I'm working every single day to remove each and every Republican/Tea Party member of this Congress so we can MOVE FORWARD again with fairness and EQUALITY for all. The gun legislation is just one more knife in the back and slap in the face of the wants of the MAJORITY of this country with their complete denial of decency, integrity or even a modicum of common sense. Those that vote against common sense regulations and background checks are nothing but disgusting cowards that need to be removed from office. We can't stop it all, the NRA and gun manufactures have seen to it with lies, misinformation and fear mongering that we ALL have to be constantly aware now when we are out in public that some mentally deranged or sociopath will open fire in ANY situation. The Republican/Tea Party insanity that has the brain dead and brainwashed convinced that all government is evil has the BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS and the responsibility for the downfall of the decent social morays that should dictate what is best for this nation. ENFORCE the sensible gun laws we have, improve or pass laws that we need should be this nation's LOUD voice.

No matter how bad things are at the present with the horrendous daily gun violence in America, we cannot throw up our hands and surrender to the vile greed and power mongering that created the situation where there are almost as many guns in this country as people. Weapons of war do not belong on our streets and the ability to kill and maim tens and hundreds of people by one sick person is not acceptable. My RIGHT of LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS is being INFRINGED ON every single day that I have to constantly worry about being out in public or if my family is going to come home safely. The second amendment was meant to give Americans the right to protect themselves and their property not collect the type of weapons and an arsenal big enough to start a small war. Today's Republicans/Tea Party has lost ALL sense and have turned into a hateful, vengeful group of people that refuse to accept that American's REJECTED their archaic, elitist, hypocritical, austerity for the poor and middle class and divisive agenda. They have no concern about how many people and children are killed everyday as long as it doesn't AFFECT THEIR PLUTOCRATIC LIVES.

REMOVE REPUBLICANS/TEA Party so our country can move on with decent legislation to help safeguard America. They have shown time and again they are NOT TO BE TRUSTED WITH OUR LIVES.

I am a gun owner that is sick and tired of the BS, corruption and the minority dictating and obstructing the MAJORITY will and common good for America.
 
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