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Abortion Rights Groups Say It's Time To Stop Playing Defense

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Abortion rights activists are working on a counterattack to the 200 bills that have passed in states across the U.S. since 2010.

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Sheila D (28)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 10:26 am
Thanks for the article. Good to know.

Kit B (276)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 11:04 am

77% of those against abortion rights are men, 100% of them will never be pregnant.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 11:15 am
Great post, well worth reading. Thanks!

Theodore Shayne (56)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 12:25 pm

Athena F (131)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 2:41 pm
Thank you! Noted! :)

Deborah W (6)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 3:39 pm
Politically correct ... if Cuomo is to make a run.

Too expansive, crowding a whole group of issues into one-stop shopping, hopefully the ultimate fix-all, NOT.

Still comes down to believers and non-believers, neither about to change ... pro or anti, medical waste or murder. (Think before not after might help too, ya think?)

Walter F (128)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 3:49 pm
The remaining 23% must be unusual men..There may be something about American males' reproduction Idon't know about.I cannot understand why American males have this fetish about females' reproduction It may have something to do with their toilet training when they were little boys.They should accept that women own their own bodies and have a right to do whatever they choose with those bodies.Another thing I cannot understand ,I saw a picture of a demonstration of anti abortionists proclaiming right fof life in a state which still executes felons in he name of justice.They would do better to demonstrate against murder in the name of justice.Capital punishment degrades humanity much more than a women getting rid of an unwanted foetus.

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 3:55 pm
Noted. Well, good for CA, at least! Hopefully, it will spread across the country. This should never be a political question....this is about women's health. Abortion & birth control are private medical issues decided by a woman with her doctor's medial input. As far as religious issues are concerned, it's is nobody's business. If some are religiously inclined not to seek birth control or abortion, that is their private decision. Their views and opinions should never be imposed on others.

pam w (139)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 6:53 pm
(Flagged the spam.)

PROACTIVITY is called for now....I agree, it's time to stop reacting and getting serious. We thought we were safe after RoeVWade. Apparently, the religious ''REICH" wants to control us all.

DaleLovesOttawa O (198)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 8:16 pm
The spam is reproducing again. They must all belong to the Quiverfull Movement.

Thankfully in Canada there is no law on abortion, it is a matter between a woman and her doctor.


Patricia N (9)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 9:59 pm
When men get pregnant.....they can voice on this subject. Otherwise they should butt out. Fortunately we have many men in Western nations that can understand and agree that it's up to a woman. But even here it's under fifty percent and according to Kit's answer it's well under that amount. At 74 years of age it just makes my heart ache to see what is happening in the U.S. now. We are safe here in Canada.....for the time being. But must be watchful and ready to fight any change.

Past Member (0)
Monday December 30, 2013, 1:21 am
I think that this is a problem for the woman who should have the right to make her own decision.I do wish however the religious bigoted right would crawl back under the rock from where they emerged.

Past Member (0)
Monday December 30, 2013, 2:12 am
Kit, just start making up numbers?

From: Do Men and Women View Abortion Differently? at

"A 2002 Public Agenda poll found that men were two percentage points more likely to believe that "abortion should be generally available" to those who want it (44% to 42%), and that women were slightly more likely to think "abortion should not be permitted" (22% to 21%).

A 2003 ABC/Washington Post poll found 58% of women and 54% of men felt abortion should be legal in all or most circumstances.

More recently, a 2009 CBS News/New York Times poll found that 40% of men and 37% of women felt "abortion should be generally available" while 20% of men and 24% of women felt "abortion should be not permitted."

A 2012 Gallup poll found women (44%) were more likely than men (38%) to call themselves "pro-choice" and that men (53%) were more likely than women (46%) to call themselves "pro-life." But Gallup found that from 2001-2008, 48% of men and 49% of women self-identified as "pro-choice." Between 2009 and 2012, 43% of men and 45% of women identified as "pro-choice.""

John B (185)
Monday December 30, 2013, 5:55 am
Thanks Cal for the link to the excellent article by Ms. Lohr. All of us must take the offense in this battle, starting with throwing these pseudo-christian conservative politicians out of office in 2014. Read and noted.

. (0)
Monday December 30, 2013, 8:15 am
It sure is. Thanks for sharing, Cal.

Birgit W (160)
Monday December 30, 2013, 1:14 pm
An abortion should be only a matter between a woman and her doctor. Everybody else has no right to interfere.

Rose Becke (141)
Monday December 30, 2013, 3:04 pm
Love your comment Kit

Joanne D (38)
Monday December 30, 2013, 4:06 pm
It's way past time to go on the offense. Letting idiots define the parameters of the argument is never a good idea.

Deborah W (6)
Monday December 30, 2013, 4:36 pm
Divorce, extra marital affairs, contraception, lack of appreciastion of children, NO responsibility for personal free choice or accountability for the consequences that follow.

For so many reasons this "modern age" we live in is witnessing the destruction of the family and numerous other fundationals. The basic units of our society are being, or attempting to be, redefined and their importance diminished. Do you see it yet?

It took Norma McCorvey (a/k/a Jane Roe) some four-plus decades to come to her senses and reverse her thinking ... how long will it take the rest?

DaleLovesOttawa O (198)
Monday December 30, 2013, 5:54 pm
Deborah W, many people do use contraception but just because contraception fails (which does happen) or someone forgets to pop a birth control pill, or is not responsible enough to use birth control,in the first place sex in and of itself is not an automatic sentence of Thou Shalt and Must Have Children. It is not a lack of appreciation of children as you say, there are people who are simply not ready to have children or they do not want children at a given point in time because of economic or housing or many other factors.

There is almost a prudish attitude that sex is something that one should not engage in unless one is willing to have children as is with some religious doctrines that unless one is involved in procreation, sex is seen as a 'sin'.

Much of the rest of the world has decided to live with a more modern non-doctrinaire view of relationships, including many churches where sexual acts are not regarded as 'sinful' if one is not in the act of procreating aka having children.

There is nothing wrong with redefining aspects of society, including the family. We don't keep everything in society set in stone from a time long ago. Society and times change, we often end up to changing with the times and being more flexible. What was done in the Middle Ages is not necessarily relevant to modern times. So, yes there is always a redefinition of society going on. Many women for the most part will never go back to the time when they simply stayed at home, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, did not go to work and the man was considered the decision maker and she smiled and said, 'Yes dear, whatever you say dear.'. Those days for the most part are gone although there are right wing Republican dinosaurs trying to impose their doctrine on modern day women with repressive laws.

These days the world is overpopulated, so contraception does make sense for many people. Not everyone in the modern world is going to throw away their contraception and say, 'Well...let's have sex...and of course, get pregnant should that happen. We have two children and can't afford another, but you can always risk getting pregnant in order to be 'accountable' and 'responsible'and to satisfied the self-style mavens who want to impose their version of what they consider 'morality' on other people.'

You mention contraception as if it were a negative. Not everyone is into the Quiverfull Movement or specific religious doctrines that consider birth control as a negative in a world with limited resources and the ability to cope with an ever expanding human populace.

There are even some people who should not become parents and should not be forced into being parents and not all women are willing to spend nine months of their lives pregnant in order to give up a baby for adoption. They are not responsible for the lack fertility of other people.

Just because Norma McCorvey became Catholic and now runs her own ministry (the Crossing Over Ministry) does not mean that every woman regrets being pro-choice. To me, it is a woman's personal choice, not something imposed upon her by either religion or the state in the early stages.

"Norma McCorvey was the plaintiff in the Roe vs. Wade decision of the U.S. Supreme Court, which legalized abortion in all 50 states. In 1995 she became a pro-life Christian, and in 1998 was initiated into the Catholic Church."

Some people do change their minds but not everyone does so. It is not up to me to force an unwilling woman to bear a child.

Divorce? It's now 2013 and soon to be 2014 and we are not living in the stone age. If a marriage doesn't work out or if the husband or even the wife is abusive and beats their spouse, why would anyone stay with a marriage that is not working?

There are women who stay with an abusive husband and they end up dead. Some problems can be worked out with counselling or other means but there are some marriages where there is no solution except to either part and go their own separate ways or spend the rest of their lives living in an unhappy marriage. After 20 or 30 years, some people also grow apart. Are they to live with each other forever even if they no longer care for each other, are they expected to be miserable or should they simply move on and start over again. It happens, but there is no point in others being miserable and unhappy if one's partner is so different over time that one does not recognize them anymore. Maybe some women back in the 'olden' days would have lived longer or had been happier had they been allowed to divorce after trying and were unable to work things out. So, yes...society changes and evolves with changes in the social fabric.

DaleLovesOttawa O (198)
Monday December 30, 2013, 5:59 pm
Kit B, I wonder how many of the 77 percent of men who are against the right to choose would suddenly be in favour of it should they suddenly be the ones who became pregnant?

If the shoe was on the other foot and all the men writing the legislation (past and present) or favouring forcing all women to carry an unwanted pregnancy suddenly had to face the same non-choice that they impose on others, you can bet that many of them would not be so anxious to impose their will on their male counterparts.

Bridget Robertson (106)
Tuesday December 31, 2013, 2:43 am
Noted. Great comment Kit.

Patsy Olive (0)
Tuesday December 31, 2013, 10:48 am

Ruth Ann W (198)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 8:05 am
Noted. There has to be a way to make the folks who are fighting so hard to kill off women's rights (among others) to see the folly of their ways. Anyone else see red when it is a woman leading the charge AGAINST women?
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