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Kerry Pledges 'Fair' Mideast Plan as He Woos Arab Allies

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Secretary of State John Kerry Sunday rejected Israeli and Palestinian claims the US was biased as he made a whistlestop tour of allies Jordan and Saudi Arabia to woo support for his peace plan.

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Marty Powell (151)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 8:52 am
Noted. Thanks

Marty Powell (151)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 8:55 am
Noted. Thanks

Justin Vale (13)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 9:24 am
this is a front, obama knows the saudi's are our greatest enemy. and snowden will prove that. the murderous kingdom are better suited as allies of israel. this year will bring us closer to iran and away from the saudi/al-qaeda/israeli axis.

Justin Vale (13)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 9:42 am
it's starting, the connections between 9/11 and the house of saud will all come out real soon and after it does and once snowden opens up the connections between the saudi's and israeli will be scrutinized and we will want to know how much did israel know and when did they know it. those spit ball nukes israel has are made to kill helpless arabs. if they had anything to do with 9/11 ( being that they are the only country to benefit from our mid east wars) they will have to stick their nukes where the sun don't shine.
saudi arabia is the enemy and the fracking will allow us to get our revenge and snowden's revelations will force our governments hand.

Justin Vale (13)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 9:44 am
and the Clinton's are coming

Winnie A (179)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 11:24 am

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 4:04 pm
Noted. hmmmm....interesting comments by Justin (above)....I've been reading various articles supporting his comments. And, it seems that Saudi Prince Bandar is in the middle of this mess, too. There have been some articles here on Care2 referring to him recently. Isn't he the one connected with Fux Noise Channel? Although Kerry's diplomacy is crucial in this, we still have a very loud "squeaky wheel" of greedy, warmongering conservatives who are itching to promote the next war. They will lie, cheat, steal and manipulate to get their way.

. (0)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 4:53 pm
I hope his plans work out. Thanks for sharing, Cal.

Past Member (0)
Monday January 6, 2014, 1:02 am
The Palestinian's are making impossible demands on Israel knowing full well that they cannot be met this includes the recognition of the Jewish state and the return to the pre 1967 borders.I notice that in the article it says that the Jordan borders the proposed Palestinian state.The home land that the Palestinian's are claiming is or was part of Jordan before the six day war.There was never a Palestinian state .

Jonathan Harper (0)
Monday January 6, 2014, 4:22 am

Stephen B (23)
Monday January 6, 2014, 9:47 am
Sadly, I can already tell you that some of the final pieces are on the floor and that the puzzle cannot be solved until they are picked up. Here is a quick description of a few.

Ppolitical unity: Without this, factions other than the one actually doing the negotiation will not be bound by any peace-agreement. Palestinians lack it. A good example of this arose before Cast Lead in 2008, where Hamas and Israel had a ceasefire which Islamic Jihad regularly ignored, firing rockets from Gaza. Israeli responses to IJ in Gaza were then seen as violations of the ceasefire with Hamas, leading up to the total breakdown of the ceasefire and Cast Lead. Until loyalty some accepted leaders overrides party-loyalty among Palestinians, there cannot be peace.

Unclear balance of power: Any peace-agreement must, to be accepted by both sides, reflect the balance of power between them. However, as both are minor players, that balance of power depends heavily upon foreign policies and opinions in more powerful countries, which tend to shift about every 4-8 years for the U.S. and at similar intervals for other involved major global powers. Whichever side is in disfavor at the time of a peace-deal would likely stand to gain from rejecting it and waiting for foreign policies to change.

Asymmetric pressure: Israel is forbidden under many treaties and by internal politics from engaging in most pressure-tactics available to it. It does not arbitrarily attack Palestinian civilians, certainly not in the way that Palestinian militias attack it. It falls under pressure for any economic sanctions and cannot use those without clear justification (and often even with it). The only pressure-tactic it can apply without killing people is continued settlement, which is heavily opposed. The problem is that in peace-negotiations, each side must give concessions for the other to end its pressure-tactics. If that dynamic is one-sided, the negotiations are for surrender (partial or complete), not peace. What the world demands today is conditions where a vastly stronger side would surrender to a vastly weaker one. Such a "peace"-treaty might last, at most, up to the next Israeli election.

Each of these, and other factors as well, independently prevent success in any negotiations.

Hi Justin,

There is a central problem in what you described: The house of Saud is politically very, very divided. Some members are obviously supportive of al-Qaeda while others are its greatest enemies. (The U.S. likes to think it is al-Qaeda's greatest enemy, but the reformists in the House of Saud are really on the front lines.) Looking at the Saudis as a single player will cause you to see many connections which really do not exist.

There is another interesting thing about fracking which I think you may have overlooked. The technology that makes fracking anything close to ecologically palatable (where the bulk of the processing is done deep underground so most of the missions can be contained) was developed in Israel with serious support from the Israeli government. Israel has been supportive of hydraulic fracturing from the start.

Past Member (0)
Monday January 6, 2014, 10:06 am

Winnie A (179)
Monday January 6, 2014, 12:38 pm

Birgit W (160)
Monday January 6, 2014, 2:07 pm
Noted, thanks.

Madhu Pillai (22)
Monday January 6, 2014, 5:32 pm

Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 7, 2014, 6:40 am
There will be no peace in the Middle East.

Kerry got it all wrong thinking that if Palestinian Arabs make peace with Israel all the other Arabs and Muslim states will follow suite. The truth is, Arab states compete with each other who is "better" by the level of hate they expose towards Israel.

A peace of paper signed by expired and powerless Abbs will not obligate Arab states to anything, and certainly not to "desecrating" their image as "Moderates".

Kerry should off spent his time more productively, I am not sure if he even gets air miles from his travels.

Kitty Heardman (22)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 6:06 am

bob m (32)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 8:15 am

Saudi Prince Bandar!/.. sounds like a Flash Gordon Plot.... Ming the Mreciless, etc...wonder where the Mudmen are.?
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