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Israeli Official Points to 'Incitement' By Palestinians


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- 105 days ago - nytimes.com
As Secretary of State John Kerry departed here on Monday after an intense four-day push for a framework agreement outlining prospects for a peace deal, Israeli leaders said that such statements had not abated since negotiations began this summer



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Barbara D. (107)
Tuesday January 7, 2014, 4:15 pm
They don't want peace with Israel ~ they never did and never will~ they want the destruction of Israel. Negotiations? How can you expect them to negotiate with what they consider a non-entity?
If their leaders ever did allow them an independent state, they best be at peace with Israel to support them or the land will revert back to the barren wasteland it once was.
 

Alfred Donovan (44)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 12:55 am
It is not in the best interests of the Palestinians to sign a peace deal with Israel what they are doing is protracting the situation in an attempt to make the US fed up with the process and abandon their support for there old Allie.I am afraid that they seem to be succeeding in their aim if recent utterances from Obama and Kerry are to be believed.
 

John S. (294)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 2:25 am
Noted.
 

Maggie Kearns (5)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 7:06 am
Finally,Al-Jezeera/ NYT is acknowledging that the palestinians AREN'T interested in peace with Israel.
 

jess b (20)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 9:59 am
More wag the dog.. no surprise, from Netanyahu or any Israeli 'official', etc. Hasbara solves nothing.
 

jess b (20)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 10:42 am
"Israeli embassy in Washington tweets Islamophobic message."

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-embassy-washington-tweets-islamophobic-image
 

Roger Garin-michaud (60)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 11:58 am
noted, thanks
 

GGmaSheila D. (89)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 12:03 pm
Think it's at the point where neither side wants peace. To much has been done by both sides to forgive, or to forget. Too much death and systematic destruction to let go of the hatreds. Would really like to see the US keeping its nose out of the conflict.
 

Barbara D. (107)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 1:01 pm
jess, from al-Abbas it's more like *choke the monkey*.................
 

Judith C. (107)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 1:32 pm
Noted with sadness.
 

Barbara D. (107)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 1:51 pm
Brilliant, Lee!
 

Birgit W. (135)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 2:25 pm
PEACE!
 

Stan B. (124)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 2:55 pm
I can't add a lot to what Lee has so eloquently said. Israel has never had a partner for peace and anyone who studies Middle Eastern politics will realise that there is no possible chance of a negotiated peace settlement with the Palestinians or any other fundamentalist Islamic entity. Their end game IS the total destruction of Israel as Lee stated. They see it as a religious obligation.
This quote from the NYT article explains why.

“The general phenomenon is very clear: They are poisoning Palestinian children with deep hatred of Israel and the Jewish people.” So every future generation of Palestinians thinks the same way. Very sad but reality.
 

Alllan Yorkowitz (462)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 4:10 pm
It's clear Kerry is out of his league- not totally his fault. I will say it, there needs to be another Kissinger who can show sympathy and empathy to both sides.
 

David B. (38)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 5:22 pm
There will never be peace as long as expansionistic Netanyahu is top dog... Peace would mean no more 'settlements' (Illegally expanding Israels' borders) and might even result in that nasty ugly apartheid wall being destroyed.
 

Barbara D. (107)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 5:43 pm
There will be peace as long as contractionist al-Abbas is top dog (oh hell, who am I kidding ~ he couldn't fart without his masters)....Peace would mean no more *Israel*..............................
Until the Palestinian civil war, or until Lebanon or Syria attacks Palestine, or.............
There will never be peace in the Middle East as long as there IS a Middle East.
Does history teach you nothing?
 

harry f. (0)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 7:11 pm
If only Israel had a partner that really wanted peace then living conditions would improve in the area.
 

Gary A L. (129)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 8:14 pm
maybe some posters here should read peace now a site devoted to exposing the apartheid government of Israel
as the real problem. too bad Netanyahu has become just like those who used to kill Jewish people a lying pig
 

Barbara D. (107)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 8:32 pm
Gary, it's obvious you dislike Bibi but to call a Jew a pig? Really?
And Yariv is my hero.................NOT!
 

jess b (20)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 10:22 pm
Lee Hampton: "the whole culture of Palestinians is way beneath pigs."

It's obvious that Lee Hampton 'dislikes' "Muslims".

It certainly would not be a bad idea for some to read Peace now - unless, of course, one is set on hateful attitudes and smears, branding an entire community of different backgrounds, not to mention, nationalities, under one bigoted, prejudiced, offensive 'Muslim" banner.

As David pointed out, so rightly, the 'settlement' expansion and invasion of Palestine is illegal, and the European Union and the International community has condemned it.
As for the International boycott of Israel, and other actions taken by other groups and businesses, for Israeli human rights' abuses in Gaza and the West Bank, the list of casualties and damage over the past decades is endless.
Israel is and has done absolutely nothing for peace. It is not the job of the U.S. America is Netanyahu's 'useful idiot' - statement he, actually, made.

Americans will wake up to where all those billions are going ...how many of the commenters here pay for that or their hard working families. When the people in the U>S> realize the deception, cost, and the use to which that 'aid' has gone, the outcry will be heard loud and clear.
End U.S. 'aid' to Israel.
The boycott of South Africa found it's mark in the States..it's in progress now, with Israel.

Netanyahu is obsessed about getting as much land, property, farms and resources away from the West Bank, Jordan Valley, East Jerusalem, and can hardly wait for another full scale attack on Gaza.
All illegal actions are being monitored and documented. I've seen that ugly wall, just like I saw the Berlin Wall before it was torn down.

No shill.




 

jess b (20)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 10:28 pm
any star sent by me to Lee Hampton would be entirely accidental.
 

Stan B. (124)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 2:41 am
The way the U.S. economy is going under Obama, America could soon be a recipient of Israeli financial aid.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 2:59 am
Yep here they come the antisemitic brigade. Palestinians good Jews bad. The real test is simple. If Israel did not have an army all the Jews would be dead.
I am not saying all Palestinians are bad in fact most are in horrible conditions because they are not provided any rights my the Palestinian Authority and Hamas.
The Palestinians in Israeli prisons that have been convicted of murder, terror and kidnapping get paid by the PA. The more they kill the more they get paid. Hmmm Nice guys.

As to settlements they are a matter of negotiations. an example, When Israel occupied the Sinai desert they built the town of Sharmal Shek. It was a tourist haven. When they pulled our after peace was signed with Egypt they left a thriving industry. When Israel pulled out of Gaza they left several industries, The Palestinians used the equipment to make weapons.

So it comes down to this. The Palestinians are not in a good way. Is it all the Israeli's fault no. do the Israelis distrust the Palestinians yes they do.

Does the PA and Hamas incite violence yes they do.

Lets look a a different scenario... Israel and Palestinians make peace. Israel helps Palestinians with industry and education. there is no more war. Both peoples thrive. What would this mean to the other countries like Syria and Iran? Would they be happy? Would their people look at the conditions and see human rights and democracy develop. Would it mean that they could not use this conflict to maintain their despotic control over their people.

There has been more than one Arab reporter or academic that has pointed out that whenever a leader has the needed to rally the masses they only have to say how much they hate Israel and presto instant support.

My hope is that there will be peace and it would be helped by calling names.
 

Barbara D. (107)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 6:07 am
Ah, yes. The world according to jess, Syd, and David Duke.
 

Gary A L. (129)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 9:27 am
oh and Ira stick that antisemitic cry baby crap where sun doesn't shine it's people like you who have their heads planted firm up their butt that make any peace impossible and oh yeah Israel left the Gaza Strip in great shape then bombed the crap out of it
 

Barbara D. (107)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 9:34 am
Ah, yes! The world according to jess, Syd, David Duke, and Gary.
 

Gary A L. (129)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 1:44 pm
ah yes the bigoted statements of Barbara D I'm sorry you have no humanity that your portrayal of Palestinian people shows you to be a bigot do you realize that they are people? do you have some little shred of decency or would you rather make snide little comments that expose you as someone with no heart
 

Barbara D. (107)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 3:20 pm
Gary, do you not realize that the problems could be solved in one sitting if the Arabs leaders would sit down ~ they have refused to even talk, sometimes even to attend. They WILL NOT negotiate with Israel. They WILL NOT tolerate a state of Israel in the Mid East. THEY do not care about the plight of the Palestinian people who are far too valuable as pawns.
My heart goes out to all the decent Palestinian people who simply want a home. My heart goes out to them that their own *brothers* have no concern for their well-being.
I have a black hatred for the extremists, jihadists, and terrorists who have no agenda but death and destruction ~ even their own people who in their eyes have no more value than the dogs they despise and kill.
 

Barbara D. (107)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 3:29 pm
Bigoted to hate murderers, rapists, bombers, pedophiles, drug/sex trafficers, fratricidists pledged to the total destruction of the infidels??
Do you love them, Gary? Do you think they're morally correct in killing victims of rape, in beheading their women, torturing and abusing animals? Gangs attacking and beating elderly rabbis on the streets of Stockholm, NYC?
Do those actions require me to be *decent* and *respect* them??
 

Bob A. (15)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 6:00 pm
Who can expect Arabs live in peace with Israel, when they don't live in peace with each other?

Seriously. After watching the news of daily slaughters of Arabs by Arabs in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, etc, who in his/her right mind will expect them to leave Israelis alone???

US would be better off to leave Palestinian Arabs to their own devises and do not squeeze Israel just because Israel needs parts for jets. Nobody will miss anything, including Kerry who is not getting frequent flier points anyway,
 

Bob A. (15)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 6:06 pm
David, I like the level of drama that you used to define a security fence, that stopped Arab suicide bombers from reaching Israeli discos and pizza places, and also took a whole bunch of Gaza car thieves out of business.


 

Gary A L. (129)
Thursday January 9, 2014, 8:52 pm
Barbara I think you are a very sick person and a terrible American please do us all a favor and move to your beloved land I read the terrible messages of hate from people like who rob people of their humanity and it is apparent that these problems will never be solved until people like you and others who have posted here join the human race and stop smearing entire group's of people
 

Barbara D. (107)
Friday January 10, 2014, 4:37 am
Gary, I believe you have your choice of Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Gaza, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran, Nigeria...............
Do they pique your fancy?

Did you not read my last two comments?
 

Bob A. (15)
Friday January 10, 2014, 7:04 am
Gary, do not speak of "us". I would prefer to have around people like Barbara, than yourself.

And yes, you can do "a favor and move to your beloved land" to live among your brothers.
 

Bob A. (15)
Friday January 10, 2014, 7:07 am
Jess, I would love to read from an Arab Peace Now organization, but it does not exist.
 

Gary A L. (129)
Friday January 10, 2014, 9:37 am
yes I read your hateful garbage did you not read my comment seek help you are sick
 

Gary A L. (129)
Friday January 10, 2014, 9:44 am
bob A mind your own business and where did I use the term us in my posts it never ceases to Amaze my how some people put other countries interest ahead of America's and of course you would rather have hateful people around like yourself then you can live in your own hateful little echo chamber as for me leaving this country , the country I spent two years in Vietnam for I don't think so. you see it's easy to talk all tough and belligerent when you never lived the horror of war I have I'll bet anything neither of you two telephone tough guy's have
 

Barbara D. (107)
Friday January 10, 2014, 9:54 am
Gary, you're right, I haven't. But I had three brothers in Viet Nam ~ two died there.
 

Gary A L. (129)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 8:45 am
trying to glom onto someone else glory pathetic the point you and some others miss is the mentality. in the 50's and 60's southern white Christians made the same statements about black people in an attempt to maintain their superiority it was sick then and it's just as sick when applied to any other group of people I expect more of Jewish people who themselves had been victims of these tactics so it is very disturbing to read the hateful and bigoted statements on this thread wherever you and any one goes love and peace should be our over riding pursuit even in the face of those who would do otherwise too do less is to betray our own principles and Barbara my point is made you were not there
 

Stan B. (124)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 9:29 pm
Barbara. I have the utmost respect for you and I can only imagine the pain and suffering you and your family endured with the tragic loss of your two brothers in Vietnam. You are a truly patriotic American family and can hold your head up high.
I think you are wasting your time engaging with a pompous, rude, uninformed, bigoted bore like Gary A L. I wouldn't give him the time of day. Ira summed him up perfectly.
 

Stephen Brian (24)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 9:34 pm
Hi Gary,

You've shown something that I see nearly every single time the matter of Israel and the Palestinians shows up on Care2. You're assuming that the relative well-being of Israelis and Palestinians arises primarily from their interactions and not from internal factors of each group. After all, it must seem inconceivable that neighbors could be so fundamentally different that one would prosper as Israel has and the other end up as, well, Gaza and the West Bank.

While claims of intrinsic differences between communities have a long history among bigots who deny oppression, the fact is that in some cases, they really are that big. Israeli and Palestinian society really are that different. We're not talking about one group of Americans and another here.

The liberal assumption, that everybody will succeed if left free to do so, combined with the common (among modern liberals, at least) definition of success which is performance (by whatever measure) at least close to the average, suggests that two demographic groups, if both are free, should not be different (by whatever measure). It's a good working assumption, not an axiom. Check it in each case by looking at the internal dynamics (or in some cases intrinsic features) of each group. Even a quick glance at Israeli and Palestinian cultures should show you serious differences with obvious economic impacts (like the status of women and the resulting gender-ratios in the labor-force).
 

Alexandra R. (329)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 10:18 pm
The U.S. administration track record

In 1948, the U.S. State Department opposed the establishment of a Jewish state. Assuming that Israel would be an ally of the Communist Bloc, and expecting Israel to be devastated by the invading Arab armies, the administration imposed a regional military embargo, while the British supplied arms to Jordan, Iraq and Egypt.

During the 1950s, the U.S. administration courted the Egyptian dictator, President Gamal Abdel Nasser, in an attempt to remove him from Soviet influence, offering financial aid and pressuring Israel to "end the occupation of the Negev," internationalize Western Jerusalem and evacuate the whole of Sinai. Instead, Nasser intensified his pro-USSR policy, subversion of pro-U.S. Arab regimes and support of Palestinian terrorism.

During the 1970s and 1980s, until the invasion of Kuwait, the U.S. administration supported Iraqi President Saddam Hussein through an intelligence-sharing agreement, the transfer of sensitive dual-use U.S. technologies and approval of five billion dollar loan guarantees.

In 1977, the administration, initially, opposed the Begin-Sadat peace initiative, lobbied for an international conference, and finally jumped on the peace bandwagon.

In 1979, the administration abandoned the Shah of Iran, facilitating the rise of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, which transformed Iran from a top ally of the U.S. to its sworn enemy.

From 1993 to 2000, the administration embraced Arafat as the harbinger of peace and democracy, elevating him to Most Frequent Visitor status in the White House.

In 2005 and 2006, the administration encouraged the uprooting of Jewish communities from Gaza and the participation of Hamas in the Palestinian election, deluding itself that both would advance the cause of moderation, stability and peace.

In 2009, the administration turned its back on pro-U.S. Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, facilitating the rise to power of the anti-U.S., transnational-terrorist Muslim Brotherhood. In 2011, the administration participated in the toppling of Libyan President Moammar Gadhafi's regime of terror, intensifying chaos in Libya, which has become an exporter of military systems to Muslim terrorist organizations. In 2013, the administration handed Russia an unexpected Syrian bonus. In 2014, the administration has managed to instill panic in Saudi Arabia and other Arab states, which are concerned about the U.S. potentially transforming Tehran from a controllable tactical -- to an uncontrollable strategic -- threat.

Mahmoud Abbas' track record

The background of Palestinian Authority President and Palestine Liberation Organization Chairman Mahmoud Abbas -- ostensibly a moderate compared with Hamas -- sheds light on the likely nature of the proposed Palestinian state.

Abbas speaks fluent Russian as a result of his KGB training and his studies at Moscow's Patrice Lumumba University, where he wrote a Holocaust-denying doctoral thesis. He was the architect of PLO ties with the USSR and other ruthless communist regimes. In 1972, he oversaw the logistics of the Munich massacre of eleven Israeli athletes. In the late 1950s, 1966 and 1970, he fled Egypt, Syria and Jordan because of subversion. During the 1970s and 1980s he participated in the Palestinian plundering of southern Lebanon and the attempts to topple the central regime in Beirut, which triggered the 1976 Syrian invasion of Lebanon and a series of civil wars, causing some 200,000 fatalities and hundreds of thousands of refugees. In 1990, Abbas collaborated with Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, despite Kuwait's unique hospitality to 300,000 PLO-affiliated Palestinians. In 1993, he established the Palestinian Authority hate education system -- a most effective production line of terrorists.

The impact on the Middle East

During the October 1994 signing of the Israel-Jordan peace treaty, top Jordanian military commanders urged their Israeli counterparts to refrain from establishing a Palestinian state, "lest it destroy the [pro-U.S.] Hashemite regime." Coupled with a terror-dominated Iraq, it would initiate a domino scenario, sweeping Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other oil-producing Arab regimes, causing havoc to the supply and price of oil and devastating the U.S. economy.

Abbas' PLO was an early ally of Khomeini. Moreover, following his 2005 replacement of Arafat, Abbas' first visits were to Tehran and Damascus. A Palestinian state -- whether controlled by the PLO or (most probably) Hamas -- would provide Iran, as well as Russia, China and North Korea, improved access to the eastern flank of the Mediterranean, at the expense of the U.S.

In 1994, the Palestinian Authority was established by PLO graduates of terrorist bases in the Sudan, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya and Tunisia, generating a robust tailwind to global Islamic terrorism. It has become a major terror academy, exporting terrorists to Iraq, Afghanistan, Latin America, Africa and Europe. Thus, the Palestinian Authority has sustained the legacy of Abbas' PLO, which has been the role model of international and Islamic terrorism, training worldwide terrorists in Jordan (1968-1970) and Lebanon (1970-1982). The PLO introduced commercial aircraft hijacking, carried out the 1973 murder of the U.S. ambassador to Sudan, and participated in the 1983 murder of 300 U.S. Marines in Lebanon.

A Palestinian state would reward a regime which is referred to by much of its population as "modern-day Sodom and Gomorrah," and has driven Christians away from Bethlehem. It would add another anti-U.S. vote at the U.N.

Both Hamas and the PLO follow in the footsteps of Palestinian leaders, who collaborated with Nazi Germany, the Communist Bloc, Khomeini, Saddam and bin Laden, and currently with Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba and other rogue regimes.

Hence, the proposal to establish a Palestinian state proves that policymakers are determined to learn from history by repeating -- rather than avoiding -- past dramatic blunders.

Thorough congressional supervision could spare the U.S. a blow to its economic and national security interests.

source
 

Zee Kallah (39)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 11:25 pm
Thank you for keeping us informed.
 

Alexandra R. (329)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 12:12 am
Zee, at least you allow yourself to be informed, it is really sad that the US government and so many Americans once more mistakingly believe that the Arabs will be successful in wiping Israel off the map in our age.

The hatred of Arabs for Jews (specially the Jewish state), will never wipe Israel off the map. Love is victorious over hate. Israel will survive.
 

Ge M. (216)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 6:14 am
Gary "I'm sorry you have no humanity that your portrayal of Palestinian people shows you to be a bigot do you realize that they are people? " Surely this statement actually applies to you. The suffering of Israelis by suicide bombers, snipers and rockets deliberately targeting their children. Stones thrown at cars and buses by Palestinian teenagers to kill or maim the occupants and then screaming because they are arrested. Did I see you on a story about Israeli children killed in their beds by Palestinians terrorists? Where a sniper shot a baby in a buggy? A bus full of school children killed and maimed by a suicide bomber?

You then attack Barbara for being a terrible American, someone whose family has proven how patriotic they are. You cannot offer anything similar and feel that the only way to deal with that is to personally attack and abuse anyone that you disagree with because you cannot offer any rebuttal. That is a low and pathetic action by someone who is xxxxx - fill in the blanks yourself! You owe Barbara an apology.

But do you know about the appalling abuses committed by America on children through your lack of justice system including putting an 11 year old boy into an adult prison and keeping him in there for around 3 years now, without charge. Then we look at Trayvon Martin and Troy Davis, in fact almost any minority in your appalling system.

If you are genuinely interested in justice (which I sincerely doubt) then you should start with history where Israel was to have been a lot larger but Great Britain listened to the Arabs, who did not want a Jewish country, and gave them Transjordan, now Jordan, some 90% of the allocated land. So, we now have some 10% of the land left and the Arabs refused any part of it before it came into existence. Under international law, no Palestinian had any right to any part of Israel. In fact, the Palestinians did not come into existence until after the Six Day War when the Arab nations realised that they could not destroy Israel. Palestinians are actually a mix of Egyptians and Saudis and Arafat was also an Egyptian. I will not talk about his corrupt rule when he took the Palestinian aid and spent it on weapons, terrorists and himself. That is always ignored as is his complete lack of interest in genuinely seeking peace.

UNWRA support the Palestinian PR machine by illegally keeping all Palestinians as refugees, their host countries, under a breach of international law, refusing them the right to citizenship in the countries in which they are born. Where they live in other countries, they suffer in terrible conditions and yet I have never seen you on any such articles that I put up. Are you one of those who are trying to get the Kuwaiti government to disclose the whereabouts of many Palestinians illegally held for the last 25 years, their families do not know if they are alive or dead? In fact, Kuwaiti took the opportunity of the First Gulf War to throw them out.

I can continue for pages including noting that the UN refuse to deal with real breaches of Human Rights such as China's illegal possession of Tibet, the attempted genocide of Christians in South Sudan by the Muslim Sudanese or the ethnic cleansing of Christians from various Muslim controlled countries in the Middle East including those by the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda in Syria. I could also point out that nothing has been said about the well over 20 million slaves illegally held in the Muslim controlled countries in the Middle East and the human trafficking into these countries. The incredible abuses of women and children in these same countries especially Afghanistan, where 8 year old girls are sold to paedophiles and die of terrible internal injuries on their "wedding night" or have noses or ears cut off as well as having acid thrown over them. Did you hear about the little boy & girl killed by having acid thrown over them by the Taliban because they spoke to each other? But then we must be racist because we object to such ill treatment wherever it is!

It seems that the anti-Israel and anti-Semites have no such interest nor do they work, as many of us do, to try to help them.
 

Gary A L. (129)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 8:20 am
Ira H how dare you call me an anti-Semite you are as vile a creep as they come I have reported your post to care2 you have no place on this site your suggestion that I may have killed women and children are the vilest of your attacks you are a disgusting Bigot
 

Gary A L. (129)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 8:23 am
and one other thing Ira in all your poison your wrote you did say one truth the ordinary people of Palestinian want peace which for some reason you and the other so-called smart people here miss as my point to bad
 

Gary A L. (129)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 8:36 am
G.M you too missed my point we are all people the details of your post do not deal with what was posted here I:E that Arabs and Palestinians are really not people it's really just that simple too bad you and others here couldn't for the life of you understand that I don't really care what you or some others here think of me i only care that you and you friends here will keep the killing going forever unless there is a real change of heart by you and others tone down your hate and show by your actions others a better way to live I feel so sorry for you that you could not understand one word I wrote
 

Alexandra R. (329)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 8:53 am
Gary, since you consider yourself as smart, how does the US government supporting the Palestinian government help those ordinary palestinians wanting peace with Israel? Do you know that the Palestinians with Israeli citizenship (even though for some strange reason they're called Israeli Arabs rather than Palestinians by the pro-Palestinian Brigade), would prefer to keep their Israeli citizenship (specially the ones living in Jerusalem) rather than be given Palestinian citizenship?
 

Gary A L. (129)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 9:22 am
I don't blame them for wonting to keep their citizenship I'm curious as to why the distinction is made about their ethnicity which was my point about the treatment of African-Americans in the south in the 50's and 60's and to some extent even today as far a being smart I'm smart enough to not want to waste anymore time on this thread
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 9:36 am
I have seen discrimination against whites in jobs advancement and in treatment of homeless. One homeless veterans told me that black men always get a priority with social worker when seeking help. He even told me a little poem: If you are white, you ain't right, if you are black, you got it Jack!

Obama should have never made it through Harvard and his wife through Princeton, if it were not for "affirmative action" which actually discriminates against more qualified white men and women. Why do you think that Barry Soetoro-aka Obama had his records SEALED? What is he hiding?!

As for Arabs most of whose ancestors moved into Palestine when Jews and "colonialists" made the land livable again, when they stop teachings their children the blame game in which the problems created by the Msulim ideology are blamed on the Jews, then they can start building their won society. It appears that they would rather annihilate Israel and loot what Jews had built there rather then work.

Just compare this ONE Jewish majority country (which also has 23% of muslims, 2% of Chrislians and other religions who practice freely) to 56 Muslim majority countries, most of them are Juden-frei because they chased their Jews away, as they are now chasing Christians away with their violence, which they teach their children by making them memorize hateful Koranic verses: Read Koran to see what it teaches: www.cspipublishing.com/pdfs/ATwoHourKoran.pdf
 

Barbara D. (107)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 9:50 am
Peace will come when they love their own children more than they hate us. Golda Meir
 

Ge M. (216)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 10:03 am
Poor Gary, all he can do to support HIS viewpoint is to insult everyone who disagrees with him. His poisonous personal attacks have been reported.
 

Ge M. (216)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 1:28 pm
Gary/jess b These are quotes from Golda Meir, please let us all something equivalent from any Arab leader.


“When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons.” (Statement at a Press Conference in London, 1969)

“I am convinced that peace will come to Israel and its neighbors because the tens of millions of Arabs need peace just as much as we do. An Arab mother who loses a son in battle weeps as bitterly as any Israeli mother.”

“The only alternative to war is peace. The only road to peace is negotiation.” (Remarks made during peace negotiations with Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, 1977)

This is from Abbas

Abbas: No Peace Until All Prisoners Are Released (remember these are terrorists and murderers, often mass murderers)
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175741#.UtL-xpuYbmI

Abbas Tells Supporters He Will Not Recognise Israel As Jewish State
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/abbas-tells-supporters-he-will-not-recognize-israel-as-jewish-state/2014/01/12/

Abbas: Without East Jerusalem there will be no peace with Israel (Jews were not allowed into East Jerusalem when the Arabs were in control and they desecrated both Jewish and Christian holy places)
http://beforeitsnews.com/middle-east/2014/01/abbas-without-east-jerusalem-there-will-be-no-peace-with-israel-2456216.html
 

Ge M. (216)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 1:29 pm
What is Abbas going to offer other than something in English which he will deny in Arabic?
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 2:25 pm
Bukhari:V4B52N177 "Allah's Apostle said, 'The Hour will not be established until you fight
with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say.
"O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."'"
(A poll sponsored by the Israel Project found that 73 percent of Palestinian Arabs “believe” this Hadith, according to the findings of a July 2011 study by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner)

“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism."
-- Zahir Muhsein, PLO executive committee member said in an interview to the Dutch newspaper Trouw in 1977


PALESTINIAN HAMAS TV PROGRAMS FOR KIDS TEACHING HATRED OF JEWS & TO KILL THEM AND BECOME MARTYRS: 7/23/08
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1037512/Pictured-The-TV-rabbit-preaching-hatred-telling-young-Muslims-kill-eat-Jews.html

ON GAYS' TREATMENT IN PALESTINE & ISRAEL:
Israel, Palestine, and GaysMain Article: Israel, Palestine, and Gays
A short but thought provoking piece by Paul Varnell. Whilst persecuted homosexuals are running out of Palestine and into the safe arms of Israel in fear for their lives, many homosexuals in the West are pushing aside this despicable treatment of gays in order to conform with, and further, certain political positions. One example we are given of the suffering many homosexuals have to face in Arab countries, is of a 17-year-old youth who spent months in a Palestinian prison, where interrogators cut him with glass and poured toilet cleaner into his wounds. In Paul Varnell's own words:

'Israel, Palestine, and Gays'Paul Varnell
ORIGINAL ARTICLE HERE: http://igfculturewatch.com/2002/08/28/israel-palestine-and-gays/ CONTRASTS WITH GOOD TREATMENT IN ISRAEL

While gays are being tortured, imprisoned and murdered in the Palestinian Occupied Terr. they are free in Israel. Tel Aviv was named the most gay friendly city in the world.

There is no freedom of religion, speech, press or conscience in the Palestinian Occupied Terr. They are killing their own people, persecuting nonSunni muslims and others, teaching hate on their TV While Israel has freedom for all these things and turns out advances for the benefit of all humankind. What has so-called "Palestine" given the world?
 

Stan B. (124)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 2:28 pm
Simple answer to your last question Rob and J. Terrorism and suicide vests.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 2:29 pm
Can't add much to what has already been said by those that support an Israel that should be allowed to live in peace but surrounded by the Dogs of Hell - it is never going to happen. The arab forces are mighty and the amount of land they have under their control - one would think they would have enough generosity in allowing Israel that tiny scrap of desert that they have managed to turn into a democracy of paradise through their hard work. But no -they want the demise of Israel and even if that were to happen there would never be Peace - such is the mindset of these rabid hordes who help no-one - not even their own poor and disadvantaged. Why on earth the West continues to send massive aid to the P.A beggars belief when you see what it is being frittered away on.....armaments and luxury living for those in power. Be'avahat Yisrael......Shalom.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 6:41 pm
This article is about the level of incitement that the PA and Hamas are committing. Personal attacks by the bigots and anti-Semites do not counter or distract from the article itself.

Hamas TV show children that Jews and Israelis are evil and should be killed.
The president of the PA is seen dancing and celebrating with known terrorists. Statutes are raised to bombers that have blown up school buses. These are undeniable facts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwN2M6ZIIRU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3OYjKZ2Cu8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUlFC8jEMEU

Yes there are so many examples of the incitement toward violence and murder that to defend the PA and Hamas would be an embarrassment.
 

Stephen Brian (24)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 9:04 pm
Hi Rob and Jay :)

Zahir Muhsein appears to have been of the pan-Arabist movement, one that rejects the idea of separate Arab nations and promotes the creation of a single Arab state encompassing all of the territory of current Arabic countries. However, different Arab states really do have different histories and cultures. Lebanon is not Syria and neither of those is Iraq or Egypt.

Palestinians really are a separate people whose history became unique when an Egyptian governor under the Ottomans tried to conscript from among them to defend the territory that he had seized in a dispute with the empire. Much of the confusion comes form the fact that this occurred within a generation of the first organized modern Zionist wave of migration. At that point, it was still unclear whether Palestinians would develop a separate culture and narrative from the rest of Arabs, or if the division would just blow over like so many others do. With Zionism really arising between the Palestinians' historical point of diversion from the rest of Arabs and their recognition as really being separate, the separation looks very much like a ruse, but it is not.
 

Shil O. (0)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 2:59 am
In an interview on Syrian TV, senior Palestinian official Abbas Zaki said the PA will only agree to a treaty with Israel if the Palestinian state is established on the 1967 lines. However, he stressed that '67 lines would only be the beginning. After that, the Palestinians will continue with the stages plan:
"Even the most extreme among us, Hamas, or the fighting forces, want a state within the '67 borders. Afterward, we [will] have something to say, because the inspiring idea cannot be achieved all at once. [Rather] in stages."
[Official Syrian Satellite TV Channel, Dec. 23, 2013]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Qmr3_IrVE#t=13

In an interview on Al-Jazeera TV in 2011, Zaki also mentioned this PA stages plan and referred to "the inspiring idea," explaining that it means the end of Israel. He said that Mahmoud Abbas shares the goal of eliminating Israel in stages, but that the PA says it only wants a state along the 1967 borders because it is unacceptable politically to say you want to destroy Israel:
"You can't say it to the world. You can say it to yourself."

Zaki stressed that the goal is clear-cut because if Israel were to return to the 1967 lines, it certainly could not survive: "Israel will come to an end."

Am I reading this correctly-- because many seem to have a very different slant on all this,--

Boy wouldn't satan/alla be pleased with this-- destroy Israel and the Messiah can't return --
 
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