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The Plight of the Roma: Europe's Unwanted People


World  (tags: world, politics, Refugees&Relief, Roma people, society, news, conflict, 'HUMANRIGHTS!', humanrights )

Cal
- 197 days ago - spiegel.de
More than 10 million Roma live in Europe. Tens of thousands of them are fleeing westwards from poverty and discrimination in the countries of southeastern Europe. But EU member states are failing to help them.



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Ruth Ann W. (205)
Monday January 13, 2014, 4:55 am
EU may not be helping them but, oh forgive me, are these people doing things to help themselves? Is it ever necessary to break windows, create health hazards, urinate in stairways? Poverty in general must be addressed. People also need to begin by helping themselves. Even if it is in small ways, ways to build their own self respect. I know, not PC. But, really...
 

John S. (297)
Monday January 13, 2014, 5:34 am
Just as a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet, a Gypsy is still a Gypsy. I wonder how many people think Romania is the Roma's country? Returning to the term gypsy doesn't affect in any circumstances either the social inclusion programmes of the gypsies or their intensification within the European strategies. Ruth is right.
 

Inge Bjorkman (131)
Monday January 13, 2014, 5:51 am
Make Love not hate
 

Winn Adams (190)
Monday January 13, 2014, 6:49 am
Poverty in general is the issue here.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:50 am
It is a little simplistic to say EU is not helping the Roma.
It is better to ask the governmemt in Romania what happens to the billions of they receive from EU. Lots of the money are meant for development for Roma. Why is it that the money never reach this it was intended for?
 

Jaime A. (32)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:58 am
I Agree with Ruth, John and Wisteria.!!
 

John S. (297)
Monday January 13, 2014, 9:17 am
Jamie, you can't agree with Wisteria and me, Romanians are an European ethnicity and come from the Roma Empire. The Romanian language is also of Latin origin, very close to Italian and Spanish. "Romani" are in fact Gypsies. They are of Indian origin, they used to be pariahs and nomads in India until a few centuries ago when they migrated to Europe through Egypt and Turkey due to lack of food and because they were badly treated in their home country. They don't have a country of their own... basically they're an ethnicity in every country in Europe, but cannot claim a certain land, except for, of course, India. Their language is a form of Sanskrit and they started calling themselves "Romani" or "Roma" in the early '90s because apparently "Romani" means "A person / a man" in their language. In reality, the Romani account for 3.3, and the article discuss the Romani in Germany. Romania received structural funds and cohesion funds in order to strengthen its capacity to enforce EU rules in early 2007.
 

Jeaneen A. (111)
Monday January 13, 2014, 9:30 am
I was told that the Roma's were what we call Gypsies and they are unwanted because they steal and so a lot of unlawful stuff, if true who can blame the people of Europe.
 

Natasha Salgado (511)
Monday January 13, 2014, 10:13 am
The Roma are called gypsies by most and are considered vermin-trash. I remember sitting in a cafe in Lisbon+i ordered fries for 2 beautiful gypsy kids...the waiter said absolutely not--only the stray dogs could i give the fries to...and in Spain it was the same. Very sad how they're treated...but they have a very poor reputation period.
 

Chrissie H. (19)
Monday January 13, 2014, 11:10 am
Noted. There are so many of them and the EU is doing what it can ,here in the UK ,which is just a tiny island we have many immigrants and we also have our own homeless people and food kitchens to help feed the poor .We do all we can to help everyone, sometimes at the cost of our own.
 

Julie Botsch (12)
Monday January 13, 2014, 12:12 pm
Thank You. There are Roma, Romani, and/or Travelers here in the US. Though in the US... there are referred to as "Gypsies." Such is a corruption of the word -- Egyptian. (Many thought that they originated from the Middle East). Though country of origin is actually India. DNA testing has concluded such.

 

Birgit W. (140)
Monday January 13, 2014, 1:25 pm
I have experienced Gypsies in action in Germany. They are teaching their children to steal, because they know that the police cannot do anything against them.
However, like always one cannot say that each Roma is a criminal. I am convinced that there are good and bad people all over our planet, and it does not matter which nationality or religion one belongs to.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Monday January 13, 2014, 2:33 pm
Rhese people have been an open wound across Europe for decades. As if most EU countries didn't have their own problems finding employment for their own people...now, deal with unskilled, poverty striken beggers who sadly are on the lowest rung of those who need to receive help.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Monday January 13, 2014, 3:42 pm
Thanks Cal. Interesting post and comments.
 

Carol Cowbrough (95)
Monday January 13, 2014, 3:58 pm
Noted. Thank you.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Monday January 13, 2014, 4:25 pm
We have to think, what comes first. Are they like the way they are because people do not give them a chance or do they steal because they are taught to do so. Do they steal because no one gives them a job. In the past it may of been easier to live a nomad life, large areas of land to camp on, take a few berries, slay a wild animal and they could get by. But now, everything is building up, so if society doesn't allow them "in" to take part, what are they to do?
I AM ROMA
 

Lynn Squance (227)
Monday January 13, 2014, 4:51 pm
A very interesting article Cal, and very disturbing.

Roma have been discriminated against for centuries, not unlike our First Nations people in North America, the Aborigines in Australia or the Maori of New Zealand. And it is wrong to discriminate. We must all learn, grow and accept all people.

I travelled to Arles, Provence in France in 1978 during May. Arles is the site of a festival --- Les Deux Soeurs de la Mer --- about the landing of a small boat near Arles and the two women who were cast adrift from North Africa in the boat. It is a celebration of "...the patron saint of Gypsies, the ' Black Virgin ' Sainte Sarah." Long caravans from all over Europe brought Roma to the festival.
 

Walter Firrth (62)
Monday January 13, 2014, 6:20 pm
Thanks for posting Cal.Enough has been said about them.What experience I have had with them in my life has left me with dislike,.I found them cunning ,snide and completely dishonest .Whatever state they find themselves in they deserve.
 

Helga Ganguly (74)
Monday January 13, 2014, 8:08 pm
I refuse to make a judgement. I am Hungarian and Austrian and my husband is Mongolo-Dravidian.So our children ,genetically,have a great deal more in common with Gypsies than with the English.We're dark-haired,fiery tempered,,grew up with full,long flowing skirts,jewelry,a tradition filled with color and dance.Now I'm not referring to the American Gypsy shows like "My Big Fat American Gypsy Wedding." Those shows are some very weird trailer trash.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday January 13, 2014, 11:02 pm
Hi John
I know the difference between persons from Romania and the Roma people.
I also know a lot about their long hard history, their origin and the terrible history they have in Romania, what eye nazi did to them and how they live in Europe today.
Since begging is not illegal in Norway they come here to make a living the warm periods of the year.
I am not qualified to say what can be done. To me it looks like that for some Roma the culture, lifestyle has spiraled downwards. We only meet the Roma that struggle, not all those that succeed ,go to the universities .
Elvis was from a Roma family,so was Chaplin. But we also have millions of Roma in Europe that has serious problems, they are not easy to integrate,many of those that come to Norway are illiterate,can not English.
It is hard to give a person a job in a high tech society when he can not read and write,and actively keeps his children out of school. Maybe it is polically incorrect to say this,but I would like to hear what we can do that is not just to hand out welfare money? There is also strong forces within the Roma society that seem to protect their lifestyle, resist a change . But I am not qualified , I just read articles in the newspapers.
 

Alfred Donovan (44)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 1:13 am
I have had experience of these Roma's in Italy the former Yugoslavia and of course the UK> I have found them to be a bunch of pickpocketing thieves .They do not obey the law nor do they respect other peoples property park their caravans wherever the fancy takes them even in peoples drive ways and on parkland.It takes a long time to get them to move on and when they do they only move a short distance and begin all over again. Whenever they have made an appearance here the crime rate shoots up and vandalism is rife.They are a menace.
 

John B. (215)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 1:31 am
Thanks Cal for the link to the informative article. Read and noted.
 

Rehana VN (0)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 9:38 am
Interesting.Sad
 

Shanti S. (0)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 12:39 pm
Thank you.
 

Patsy Olive (0)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 2:52 pm
Noted & tweeted.
 

marie tc (166)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 3:08 pm
All I know is that in UK they get plenty of aid but still beg and steal and if you do not give you get a mouth full og abuse.
We have so many British who are having a really hard time I feel a country has to make its own strong before they welcome hundreds of others .
The way things are going I dread to think how our NHS if surviving a lot of British who have hit on bad times and have no where to live because so much housing is given to immigrants what about all the taxes they have paid all of their lives its very unfair
 

Ann Breeden (65)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 3:11 pm
the only experience I've had with the Roma was in Maryland 30 odd years ago. We'd just finished painting a bank barn. My husband did an amazing job, climbing up three stories to put in all the adornments. Not 2 weeks later, a big fat car drove up and parked down the horse pasture. I saw the car, opened the back door and my American husky shot out and headed straight for the guy who was all spiffed up standing next to his car. Needless to say, he climbed back into his car post haste. My husband went out and talked to him and told him he'd just painted the barn and didn't need his services. He sped out the driveway with the dog following him. He never came back but the dog did.
 

Kate Kenner (202)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 3:29 pm
Is it rally fair to stereotype all Roma? Truthfully I do not know a lot but I do know that there has been discrimination against them for a long time. As Dandelion asked which came first the problems because of them or the problems that have been inflicted upon them? Although not religious I am Jewish and see how they have been forced to move so often as have the Jews. I do the problems there are with them but why is it they have not been death with in a different manner than merely arresting them> Also people focus on the bad and not the good. One rarely see a pit bull doing good in the news but every time they do something wrong the media lambasts them as dangerous and aggressive dogs.
Again I am no expert here but these things come to mind as I heard so many negative things said. I ma no fan of the human species but I don't do well with injustice. in many cases or human ignorance.
 

Scott haakon (4)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 6:10 pm
THE Roma have been a problem for governments for centuries. There is no good answer as their culture is alien in many ways. Europe's foolish open emigration is destroying the major countries as swarms of low skill come in like locusts.
 

Sonny Honrado (6)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 7:51 pm
Noted.
 

Lynn Juozilaitis (141)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 10:30 pm
Signed, noted and shared on FB No group of people should be treated as "sub human" just because of their race, religion or place or origin.Very sad. Thank you Cal for posting this story
 

marie tc (166)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 5:21 am
I guess the problem appears that countries mentioned have so many problems of their own the people resent
paying taxes and then when they have problems they do not get what they feel they deserve for instance Americans have dreadful health care issues so it must be hard watching USA helping so many othersso much I wish countries would start sorting out their own problems first then start handing out to less fortunate but the way things are resentment is growing all over the world so many people arrive in UK with no intention of working just take take take then genuine cases suffer.
 

Carmen Stanescu (5)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 12:58 pm
Romania is not the country of Gypsy people. Romania is the country of Romanians. We have many people whom to be proud of. The Gypsy people are allover the Europe. They are nomad people. Our problem is the political corruption but we will solve this problem no doubt.Everyone may study about the history of Romanian People. Thank you!
 
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