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As Scottish support for independence grows, the English scramble to woo back their northern neighbors.

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. (0)
Monday April 7, 2014, 3:45 pm
Exporting haggas, and woolens does not a country make.

Past Member (0)
Monday April 7, 2014, 3:50 pm
Maybe if the Anglo-Saxons put their royals' heads on pikes, then the Scots might be, not even for that as pleasing as it sounds.

Lois Jordan (63)
Monday April 7, 2014, 4:11 pm
Noted. I find this all very interesting and look forward to reading updates. Thanks, Cal.

Kamia T (89)
Monday April 7, 2014, 4:46 pm
Every single person I've met that came from Scotland took offense if I called them British, and looked forward to the small hope of one day no longer being anything but their own country. The attitudes are different. The land is different. It makes sense to let them separate.

Walter F (128)
Monday April 7, 2014, 8:09 pm
Aye Kamia you nae call a Scot" Scottish" and you never call him a" Brit".It is said that half the world are Scots and the other half want to be,Where would we be without the bagpipes and drums on Anzac day.We need the Scots to play them..

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 12:48 am
As a Sot I will be voting for independence the English have for a very long time told us that we receive more money from the UK government than we deserve this despite the fact that the English government have squandered the Scottish oil funds on making war in foreign countries.If we are such a drain on them why are they fighting so hard to keep us from leaving.This is a once in a lifetime opportunity I hope my country seizes the chance for independence.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 5:52 am
Well said Boods. ;) I'm part Scot- my grandfather's mother was a Scot- and I'd love to see Scotland gain independence.

Lindsay Kemp (6)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 9:36 am
I think a lot more thinking through the consequences needs to be done, and done honestly and openly, and without people on either side of the debate being rude or disparaging about people on the other side of the debate.

(Actually, that goes for all political debate!)

Jamie Clemons (282)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 1:15 pm
This is the truth I tell you: of all things freedom’s most fine.
Never submit to live, my son, in the bonds of slavery entwined.
—William Wallace, his uncle’s proverb, from Bower’s Scotichronicon (c. 1440s)[

Roger G (154)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 1:53 pm
noted, thanks

Joanne D (38)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 1:58 pm
If they want independence I hope they get it, and I hope they aren't (though I suspect they are) cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

Birgit W (160)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 2:17 pm
This reminds me a little on Germany and Bavaria, or Canada and Quebec. Thanks for sharing.

Sylvie B (42)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 2:33 pm
Scotland is one of the loveliest places I have ever visited {been to the visitor centre near Culloden battlefield too}. Understandably, Scots have a grievance against the English on historical grounds, disregardful of their current status that does not seem so bad nowadays. I believe that, they, being a unique people, have the right to decide freely on whether or not they want independence {although they should consider the pros and cons wisely, and not only go for it emotionally, driven by their nationalism}, and if they do want it, let them go peacefully. Naturally, the English will look at it with a lesser understanding, but it seems right. Good luck!


Jonathan H (0)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 3:02 pm

Yvonne White (229)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 3:29 pm
Being American, I can see the problems & rewards on both sides. We had our Civil War in the 1860's & have had unCivil peace ever since. Fifty states with 50 different opinions and politicians exploiting everything & everyone they can. I wish Scotland the best & I hope it can decide (for itself!) the best way to procede into the future..whether as part of the U.K. or independent of it.

Mary Donnelly (47)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 4:25 pm
Thanks Cal.

David B (27)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 10:01 pm
"The Scots have what the English call CHIPS ON THEIR SHOULDERS massive infereoritycomplexes. If they all left alcohol alone they would achieve a lot more."... ???

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1067)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 3:13 am
David, I hope you are joking.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 5:05 am
Marie tc, are you for real?? The English taught the Scots to drink!!! I have both English and Scottish blood, and I have no qualms with supporting the Scots- whatever their decision may be.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 7:59 am
Tha mo bhàta-foluaimein loma-làn easgannan!!!

Marie, your comment is rude, arrogant, and highly offensive!! Typical of the bloody Brits, and just one of dozens of reasons we want out from under your oppression. We were never part of your glorious empire ~ except by force.
Chips on our shoulders?? HaHa! Better than fish and chips for brains!!

Jane H (139)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 7:59 am
Like Slyvie, I have had the joy of visiting Scotland and am proud to say that my children have Fraser blood in them! What a beautiful north country. I just fell head over hill in love with Scotland. No matter what they decided Scotland is forever.

Clare M (80)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 10:18 am
I cannot stand Salmon, such an idiot. Let Scotland break away and see how long they last. I am English and now live in Quebec, very similar to that racist Marois. They want to be their own country but still want the benefits. Well, away you go, close the door on your way out :-)

Clare M (80)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 10:25 am
Those claiming Scotland was part of the Empire by force, they need to look back at the Scottish attempt to establish colonies in the Americas as the reason you needed bailing out !

Past Member (0)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 11:24 am
Clare, we came to the America with the Vikings.
*After the Union of the Crowns of Scotland and England in 1603, King James VI, a Scot, promoted joint expeditions overseas, and became the founder of English America.[17] The first permanent English settlement in the Americas, Jamestown, was thus named for a Scot.
The earliest Scottish communities in America were formed by traders and planters rather than farmer settlers.[18] The hub of Scottish commercial activity in the colonial period was Virginia. Regular contacts began with the transportation of indentured servants to the colony from Scotland, including prisoners taken in the Wars of the Three Kingdoms.[19]
By the 1670s Glasgow was the main outlet for Virginian tobacco, in open defiance of English restrictions on colonial trade; in return the colony received Scottish manufactured goods, immigrants and ideas.[19][20] In the 1670s and 1680s Presbyterian Dissenters fled persecution by the Royalist privy council in Edinburgh to settle in South Carolina and New Jersey, where they maintained their distinctive religious culture.[19]
Trade between Scotland and the American colonies was finally regularized by the parliamentary Act of Union of Scotland and England in 1707. Population growth and the commercialization of agriculture in Scotland encouraged mass emigration to America after the French and Indian War,[21] a conflict which had also seen the first use of Scottish Highland regiments as Indian fighters.[19]
More than 50,000 Scots, principally from the west coast,[19] settled in the Thirteen Colonies between 1763 and 1776, the majority of these in their own communities in the South,[21] especially North Carolina, although Scottish individuals and families also began to appear as professionals and artisans in every American town.[19] Scots arriving in Florida and the Gulf Coast traded extensively with Native Americans.[22]

The REAL rednecks:
* The Covenanters of 17th century Scotland prescribed to this ideology and are the true founders of the “Redneck” movement. The Covenanters rejected the Church of England as their sanctioned church. In doing so, they also refused to be ruled by bishops which was the conventional method of church government. Many of the self determined Covenanters signed documents with their own blood that rejected episcopacy and demanded a Presbyterian Church government. To show their allegiance in this movement the Covenanters began wearing red pieces of cloth around their necks and were appropriately called “Rednecks.” Out of defiance, the original redneck was born.
The American redneck is a direct descendant of these fiercely independent people. The Scotch-Irish migrated from Ulster to the American colonies in the 18th century. They were the first immigrants to settle in the bountiful Appalachian Wilderness and large parts of the South. They were characterized by their distinct Scotch-Irish heritage, language and distinct ability to craft anything they needed out of the rough landscape. They were a resourceful group of honorable people who maintained their old ways and carried forth the proud title of redneck*


Jamie Clemons (282)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 1:34 pm
The British have bullied and robbed everyone including the Scottish for far too long. There is absolutely no reason the Scottish couldn't do just fine without the British robbing them blind of land and resources and telling the Scotts how they should be grateful to be robbed.

David B (27)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 2:08 pm
My long dead grandmother would have loved this debate. "The queen of England is not the queen of Scotland" etc. She died at the age of 98, to avoid getting a telegram of congratulations from the queen of England's lackeys.

Elizabeth M (65)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 2:16 pm
Noted with thanks Cal. Being a 'Kirkwood' I come with a Scottish background. I feel this is something that Scotland realiy needs to do the pros and cons on. (underneath I would like to see them have independence).
It will always be 'Scotland Forever', with it's bagpipes and tartans, hagus, the moors - where do you think golfing started? We are proud and stubborn.

Gary L (138)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 4:38 pm

Aurea Aurea Walker (226)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 5:10 pm
Very interesting debate, with time I think the scots shall see that separation from England will be to the betterment of an independent Scotland.

Sheila D (28)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 8:37 pm
I hope there is a lot of talk, open conversations, and little emotion involved in working towards what's best for Scotland and the UK. I wouldn't profess to understand the deep concerns both sides probably have, but I hope it works out well for both sides.

Apolonia P (393)
Thursday April 10, 2014, 3:34 am
I wish independence for Scotland and wonderful Scotish people!... Good luck!

Louise D (44)
Thursday April 10, 2014, 6:01 am
I have been against Scotland leaving the union as Alex Salmond really wants to be seen a New William Wallace or perhaps Robert the Bruce but he has shown some holes you could fire a class 45 destroyer through, he has always come over as quite a vain man whose SNP roots have been conviently dyed out their fascist roots. However Scotland suffered from the Conservative governments simply not understanding the country which explains why there are more Pandas than Tories there.
The great English myth of Scotland being too poor and too stupid comes out from the less informed or in the case of some pig ignorant. The problem is everytime David Cameron or a Tory MP comes up to Scotland, apart from they worry the Pandas they seem to make a stronger case for the yes vote. Actually at the moment the No vote is actually the stronger option though it has been weakened by the negativity of the campaign particularly given the toxic legacy of Thatcher's misbegotten policies such as the Poll Tax and the wholesale looting of the heavy industry that has left some towns gutted.

Aaron Bouchard (158)
Thursday April 10, 2014, 10:52 am
Noted thanks

Marija M (29)
Thursday April 10, 2014, 12:05 pm
Good luck, Scotland!

Muriel Servaege (53)
Thursday April 10, 2014, 2:09 pm
Good luck, Scotland. The Scots have never felt British. I once talked to a Scot and this is what he told me: I don't like the English language but I HAVE TO use it! Unfortunately for the English, the sea full of petrol (gas) is situated east of Scotland, not England. I suppose the Scots will be welcome in the European Union.

Shan D (49)
Thursday April 10, 2014, 3:16 pm
"Clare, we came to the America with the Vikings." (Barbara D.)

On the one hand I'm pleased to find the rare American who know that the Vikings got to North America (in present-day Newfoundland, Canada) approximately 500 years before Christopher Columbus. On the other hand, I don't understand what the rest of your post has to do with that. Leif Eriksson's small settlement at L'Anse-aux-Meadows was nowhere near the U.S. part of the continent. And none of them stayed behind; all of them returned to Greenland.

@Clare M.: I'm happy to see that Marois was defeated and that she did the proper thing and resigned. Hopefully next year Harper will do likewise.

Debra Tate (17)
Thursday April 10, 2014, 5:18 pm
Noted. Everyone else here has already said it!!

Michael J Byrne (0)
Thursday April 10, 2014, 6:21 pm
Not sure the economics make much sense by breaking away.

Billie C (2)
Thursday April 10, 2014, 10:16 pm
it should be up to the people of scotland to decide what they want.

Past Member (0)
Thursday April 10, 2014, 10:20 pm
Self-determination is best.

Athena F (131)
Friday April 11, 2014, 12:26 am
thank you

Past Member (0)
Friday April 11, 2014, 4:16 am
Shan, it's a response to Clare's statement regarding the *failure* of the Scots in America, when, in fact, they supplied the Briitish with much needed tobacco and cotton for decades.

Syd H (48)
Friday April 11, 2014, 8:25 am

Seems a lot of people need to get their hands on the Eckhart Tolle book, "A New Earth; Awakening to your life's purpose" to discover ego and group ego issues. :(


Rehana V (0)
Friday April 11, 2014, 8:44 am
Interesting. Thank you!

Leanne B (46)
Friday April 11, 2014, 3:25 pm
noted. thanks Cal.

Winn A (179)
Saturday April 12, 2014, 11:56 am
I'll believe it when it happens.

Sunday April 13, 2014, 1:27 am
As a Scot, though now living in Canada I don't of course have a vote, but I would be voting no for sure. I honestly believe that if they do get independence they will eventually regret it. Thanks Cal

Mike m (9)
Sunday April 20, 2014, 2:49 pm
At first I thought, "What?" Then I read a few more sentences....OHHHHHH OIL....I get it.

Iain Macmillan (0)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 3:55 pm
Until you have a modicum of knowledge about the referendum campaign maybe it would be best if you all kept your opinions to yourselves. I suspect most of you couldn't even pinpoint Scotland on a map. SAOR ALBA!
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