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A Sick Joke? Obama Calls for Demilitarized PA State


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Madalena
- 3319 days ago - informationclearinghouse.info
Obama's vision for an independent, democratic and contiguous Palestinian state would not have its own army and would be forbidden from making military agreements with other states, in order to provide for Israel's security.



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Madalena Lobaotello (448)
Thursday May 21, 2009, 1:17 pm
By Jerusalem Post Staff

May 20, 2009 " Jerusalem Post" -- Amid much speculation over US President Barack Obama's upcoming address to the Muslim world, reports published on Wednesday outlined the details of his Middle East peace plan, which are said to include a demilitarized Palestinian state.

The US president's initiative, which was formulated in consultation with Jordan's King Abdullah II during the two leaders' recent meetings at the White House, reportedly does not significantly stray from the pan-Arab peace initiative proposed in 2002. Rather, it bolsters certain details within the Saudi-proposed plan.

The Obama-Abdullah plan was put together in response to concerns from both Israel and the US that the Arab plan was too general and intransigent, and according to a report in Wednesday's Yediot Ahronot, will call on Arab countries to take trust-building measures in order to clear the air with Israel.

Obama is expected to present the initiative in an address to the Arab and Muslim world from Cairo in three weeks, and set out conditions for a demilitarized Palestinian state, with east Jerusalem as its capital, within the next four years. Yediot reported that Obama's vision for an independent, democratic and contiguous Palestinian state would not have its own army and would be forbidden from making military agreements with other states, in order to provide for Israel's security.

The matter of borders would be solved with territorial exchanges between Israel and the Palestinians, and the Old City of Jerusalem would be established as an international zone.

The initiative would require the Palestinians to give up their claim of a "right of return," according to Yediot, and Europe and the US would arrange compensation for refugees, including foreign passports for those residing abroad.

Obama's plan would also promote holding simultaneous talks between Israel and the Palestinians, and Syria and Lebanon. Yediot said that when such talks come to an agreement on Palestinian statehood, diplomatic and economic relations would be established between Israel and Arab states.

The report added that in his Cairo address, Obama would reiterate calls for Israel to cease all settlement construction.

Reports of the US president's new initiative came days after his meeting with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu in Washington. During the premier's visit, Obama emphasized his commitment to a two-state solution. Netanyahu reiterated his goal to live side-by-side with the Palestinians, though he did not specifically mention a two-state solution.

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Janet S (231)
Thursday May 21, 2009, 2:29 pm
a de-militarised ISRAEL would seriously calm the fears of the other states in that area. Thank you, Madelena--this was the most absurd proposition I've heard in years...
 

Cathy Wilde (23)
Thursday May 21, 2009, 2:43 pm
I think much of this makes sense, but there should be massive financial investment in the new state of Palestine, and Israel should be made pay for the reconstruction of all the infrastructure they have destroyed. It would make more sense for both the Palestinians AND Israel to be de-militarized, but then, I am a pacifist, and would like to see all armies disbanded, and disputes between states handled by negotiation, with trade wars being the worst type of war.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 21, 2009, 3:22 pm
Before we even start considering de-militarized state of Palestine, let's see if Arabs will agree to drop "the right of return". That was the main deal breaker so far.


Josh
 

Locan Sleeping-Squirrel (209)
Thursday May 21, 2009, 5:10 pm
I'm with Janet, What good enough for the goose is good enough for the gander. That goes for right of return also, Josh. Cathy, very good idea in theory. Unfortunately, The pro-Zionist lobby just increases "aid" that my country gives the welfare state of Israel in the dollar amount it will cost. Take a look at the "compensation" for USS Liberty survivors and subsequent increases.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 21, 2009, 6:17 pm

What can I say?

This man (Obama) has proven he has two sides to his mouth -- and can glibly talk out of both of them at the same time.
 

Pamylle G (461)
Friday May 22, 2009, 3:26 am
It's land theft, pure & simple. It's the same as what has been done, and is continuing to happen, to Indigenous Peoples all over the world, and IT IS WRONG !

Of course they want it "demilitarized". People have a tendency to want to keep their homes and land !
 

pete O (242)
Friday May 22, 2009, 8:20 am
Thanks Mada - I dont think that would be enough anyway even if Palestine was a de,ilitarised zone !As when Netenyahu was meeting with Obama last he was suggesting that iran needed to be included with any agreement towards the two state solution.
 

Locan Sleeping-Squirrel (209)
Friday May 22, 2009, 10:06 am
I was referring to the Palestinians right to return to their true homes in Jerusalem and and everywhere else they lived before the invasion.
 

David Cromie (6)
Friday May 22, 2009, 10:22 am
An independant Palestinian State would have the power to decide who had the right to return to that state, and we can leave the Zionists to decide, as ever, who is a 'real Jew'. Jordan, on the other hand, would put up no barriers to displaced Palestinians returning to their own country, I am sure.

On the face of it, this seems to be a concession too far to Israel. However, if indeed a 'contiguous' (a VERY important word in the context)Palestinian state, and all that that entails, were to be agreed on, even if 'demilitarized', that would be a step in the right direction, at the very least.
 

Elderberry T (201)
Friday May 22, 2009, 5:33 pm
Obama is a Zionist puppet!
 

David Cromie (6)
Friday May 22, 2009, 5:58 pm
Hardly surprising,Jackie, given his fundalmentalist religious history and, presumably, preferences. It should also be said that most politicians in the West are also in thrall to the Zionists, since they allow the latter to play the Holocaust sympathy card at every turn - 'Jew as victim' syndrome.
 

Brigitte T (69)
Saturday May 23, 2009, 12:50 pm
Thank you Madalena!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 23, 2009, 1:06 pm
Mr. Obama is dreaming in TECHNICOLOR 3D. Of course it can be demilitarized, but it will be loaded with Terrorists, which of course are not militaries.These people have demonstrated, more than once that their word cannot be trusted, their signature is worth less than the paper it written on, so! What can we expect.Even between themselves they cannot even respect their legal authority. So with whom are we going to sign this agreement: PLA? EL FATAH? HEZBOLLAH? or all of the above?

At the very least if there is any seriousness to this, it has to be AN ARM FREE ZONE, not DEMILITARIZED... ARM FREE.

And we have to make sure the WORDS of any agreement are clear and incisive. And that such an agreement should teeth and claws should it be broken by any party thereof signatary.

Roger
 

Katz R (54)
Saturday May 23, 2009, 8:44 pm
I feel that if the Palestinians were given the basic rights that anyone should expect including their land without terrorization there would be no palestinian terrorists. This is another farce and facade considering after being blocked and atarved for close to a year they were then invaded with criminal soldiers using illegal weapons, check out the Gulf News article on the Gaza Zoo. I saw tons of videos streamlined form peoples cellphones durin that period uploaded to youtube and then downloaded by people before they were pulled. make no mistake the only reason Israel stopped it's overt illegal carnage was because of world protest and they weren't able to goad Iran into attacking as an excuse to invade Iran. They would have leveled Gaza if given a chance in a heartbeat. They have done everything to force people to react and I know under those circumstances few Amricans would have been able to put up with that much victimization without trying to do a hell of allot more damage than the palestinians have.
 

greenplanet e (155)
Saturday May 23, 2009, 10:22 pm
What is a "state" without the right of return? What a farce. This plan is designed to fail.

Let's de-militarize the world.
 

David Cromie (6)
Sunday May 24, 2009, 2:29 am
I fear that the political/fascist Zionists dream in 'black and white' and the content is bad news for the Palestinians. The is the nub of the matter, and until they begin to see the Palestinians as people, there will never be peace in the Middle East.

To further the realisation of this 'dream', Obama should cut off all 'aid' to Israel, and demand that all settlements be removed from Palestinian soil, so that a contiguous Palestinian State can be formed. Real peace will then have a chance of realisation. Only the US has this clout!
 

David Cromie (6)
Sunday May 24, 2009, 2:58 am
STATEMENTS OF U.S. PRESIDENTS

"Our position on the settlements is very clear. We do not think they are legal, and they are obviously an impediment to peace."
-- President Jimmy Carter, April 12, 1980
Total settlement population: 61,500

"The immediate adoption of a settlements freeze by Israel, more than any other action, could create the confidence needed for wider participation in these talks. Further settlement activity is in no way necessary for the security of Israel."
-- President Ronald Reagan, Sept. 1, 1982
Total settlement population (1983): 106,595

"My position is that the foreign policy of the United States says we do not believe there should be new settlements in the West Bank or in East Jerusalem. And I will conduct that policy as if it's firm, which it is."
-- President George H. W. Bush, March 3, 1990
Total settlement population: 227,500

"The Israeli people also must understand that . . . the settlement enterprise and building bypass roads in the heart of what they already know will one day be part of a Palestinian state is inconsistent with the Oslo commitment that both sides negotiate a compromise."
-- President Bill Clinton, Jan. 7, 2001
Total settlement population: 387,859

"Israeli settlement activity in occupied territories must stop, and the occupation must end through withdrawal to secure and recognized boundaries, consistent with United Nations Resolutions 242 and 338."
-- President George W. Bush, April 4, 2002
Total settlement population: 414,119

"Settlements have to be stopped in order for us to move forward."
-- President Obama, May 18
Total settlement population (2008): 479,500

Sources: Foundation for Middle East Peace, B'tselem and Washington Post research. Population figures are for West Bank, East Jerusalem and (until 2005) Gaza Strip.
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Sunday May 24, 2009, 4:15 am
I have sent a welcome letter to presidant Obama saying that fairness is a very important element in the peaceful solution to the Arab/ Israeli conflict.If President Obama is going to introduce this intiative during his visit to Cairo,then I am withdrawing that welcome letter.NO BODY IN THE ARAB WORLD ABSOLUTELY NO BODY will accept USA to deny the Palastinian refugees right to return to their homes and get back their properties in PALASTINE.Secondly NO BODY will accept a Palastinian dearmed state while Israel has this arsinal of ARMS including the nuclear ones.If the Palastinian state is supposed to be demilitarized then Israel must be the same as It is talking day and night about THE LAND OF ISRAL FROM THE RIVER NILE TO THE RIVER EUPHRATES.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 24, 2009, 7:38 am
Abdessalem,

People are getting tired of millions of Palestinian Arabs receiving aid as refugees for tens of years, while others are getting much less in more dire circumstances and less politicallly motivated.

What will Arab bodies say about "right of return" if UN will make an arrangement with some Arab countries to settle Arab refugees there (plus compensation to the host country, plus compensation to the family) and then simply cut funding to UNWRA?


Josh
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Sunday May 24, 2009, 12:31 pm
Josh
This is their right according to UN decision 149 more than 60 years ago.Are we going to respect UN decisions or not?Why doesn't UN make arrangments with countries around the world to return all Israelis to their original countries? and why must the tax payers in USA and Europe pay compensations on behalf of the Israelis?I know quite well that the Israelis are getting till today billions of aid starting from Germany and other European states beside thousands of bilions of dollars Israel is getting till now from the USA.What Israel had got and is still getting is very very very very much more than the Palastinian refugees. AND WHO CREATED THE PALASTINIAN REFUGEES PROPLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE? Can you deny that it is the Israeli terrorist gangs like Oregon and Haganah?
 

Marilyn K (50)
Sunday May 24, 2009, 1:32 pm
When dealing with a problem you cannot be narrow minded and cannot deny compromise. This will lead to nothing but more discord, name calling and hate. Neither side is going to give in to the other 100%. President Obama is submitting ideas, let us hear them and if you disapprove then submit different ideas to keep a dialogue going or go along and see what happens. We can always implement changes once we get started. Let's give the President's ideas a chance and not malign him for trying.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 24, 2009, 7:17 pm
Abdessalem,

Let's abstract for now from history and mutual accusations - the wars made refugees and there were more Jewish refugees then Arab ones - let's leave it for now. I understand that no Arab body will agree to cancel the "right of Arab return to Israel".

I am asking you a different question: What will Arab bodies say or do if UN/Quartet will openly reject the "right of Arab return to Israel" and will make an arrangement with some Arab countries to settle Arab refugees there (plus compensation to the host country, plus compensation to the family) and then simply cut funding to UNWRA?

Josh
 

Locan Sleeping-Squirrel (209)
Thursday May 28, 2009, 11:13 pm
There goes Josh, still trying to shift the topic.
 

Donn M (56)
Thursday May 28, 2009, 11:24 pm
Oregon is a state in the US. I'm sure it's people would not appreciate being labeled an Israeli terrorist gang.
 

Meenakshi Sharma (124)
Saturday May 30, 2009, 6:54 pm
Nothing going to change Mada!! Genocide of Palestinian will continue....
 
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