Thursday May 29, 2008, 7:09 am
Noted, thanks for the interesting article Joilina!

Thursday May 29, 2008, 7:09 am
This is just bad...why would you let yourself get this way??? I have large friends and they just dont seem to understand the weight is bad on you and your health...stay away from fast foods.

Big Gorilly Hugs

Thursday May 29, 2008, 7:14 am
With my diet, and becoming vegetarian, hopefully I'll solve my weight problem.

Thursday May 29, 2008, 7:27 am
Thanks for a great article Jolina.

Thursday May 29, 2008, 8:17 am
I am an Insulin dependent Diabetic so fast food has never been part of my diet - but I see the "BLIMPS" (both adults and children) stuffing themselves with all that unhealthy fare as I pass by.

Thanks for the informative article Joilina

Thursday May 29, 2008, 9:02 am
Noted thanks

Thursday May 29, 2008, 9:27 am
Americans are overweight in comparison to the rest of the world... no question there - too much fattening foods. My buddies that I ride with, some of them are big, hairy and a few are overweight, try to maintain a semblance of a diet but most of them sure love to eat. Have to admit that the points in the short article do bring up interesting ideas. Will mention those points to them and see what they say... lol... We may ride Hogs but we get 45-55 miles per gallon - fuel economy.

TY, Joilina.

Thursday May 29, 2008, 10:25 am
Thank you Jolina for the great article.

Thursday May 29, 2008, 2:33 pm
I know I'm obese and got that way due to lack of exercise since breaking my back. Within the past 8 years I've gained 100 lbs and find many things I'm unable to do. I try walking around grocery store while holding onto a carriage to get exercise.

Thursday May 29, 2008, 6:07 pm
Noted. Whatever the reason, excess weight is hard on our bodies and a good enough reason to keep pursuing the development of healthy eating habits and regular exercise when medically supervised. There are no known lasting benefits for yo-yo dieting and, in fact, it is an unhealthy syndrome. Thank you for this article; I can usse the information myself!

Thursday May 29, 2008, 6:51 pm
Move your body go out and excercise! Its so easy to loose weight my nephew 22 years old has lost 50 KG use to weigh 120 now less than 70 KG! He is a new person! But i can still beat him on the stepper when it comes to long rides....3 hours and more burning fat and nothing else....
Tina Vindum leading in Outdoor Fitness in the USA has tested them for me!
http://outdoorstepper.blogspot.com/2007/08/tina-vindum-on-outdoorstepper.html

Friday May 30, 2008, 2:00 am
Obesity is just a part of modern way of life-and so cynical sometimes-to have feeling we live good, we eat too much (full table was always symbol of good standard!), we dont work hard (which is also symbol of good life-well paid job, and not hard), we dont move and have physical activities-but, we pay big money for fitness and dieting to restore our damaged body.because we live "good"!
What a cynism, when compare it to starving people, or hard working people as in agriculture or in mines, who cant get enough food, for spend calories while work as a dogs!
And if I continue to sit in front of pc, writting for Care 2, I shall for sure join soon to this population!! Lol!

Friday May 30, 2008, 3:25 am
A very interesting article, Jolina. However I suspect that there is a lot more to global warming than obesity. Noted!

Friday May 30, 2008, 11:28 am
Did you know that by winter, the airlines will have classes of fares for those above and below the national average weight scales?

Friday May 30, 2008, 1:08 pm
People don't just ride around for nothing. Most people have to use their cars to go to work, They work long hours and don't have the energy to prepare good food when they get home. They jsut nip into MacDonalds.

And when you have children to care for, finding time for exercise is very difficult. Employers should be taxed on the distance their employees have to travel. Health clubs cost a lot to join, and not everyone can afford the cash. Food is impoverished because the soil has been denuded of nutrients. So U agree wutg Elaine. Obesity is not the only or even a major cause.

Friday May 30, 2008, 2:30 pm
My husband trys to maintain a healthy weight but gets made fun of when his boss takes the guys out for lunch because a lot of the time he just gets a salad while all the others eat steak and BBQ ribs. Culturally it hard also. My husband takes tomatoes to work in his lunch along with mixed nuts and if his workers see what he has they laugh at him. My husband is also the only one at work who can actually fit into the tight places inside the plane wings while all the others are to fat. He says sometimes he wishes he could enforce a a diet policy so some other men could actually fit inside the tight places in the planes so they could fix them like he does. But of course that would never fly. I'm not trying to be insensitive to the overweight people but at work it costs others a lot as well.

Friday May 30, 2008, 6:17 pm
It isn't just the empty calories in fast food to look to for the rise in obesity. I bet the sauce on the BBQ ribs was full of MSG. MSG and Aspartame in many prepared foods, restaunt food and diet foods. Both are neurotoxins and both stimulate the appetite.
http://www.rense.com/general52/msg.htm

"No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so the scientists have to create them. They make these morbidly obese creatures by injecting them with a chemical when they are first born. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats (and humans?) to become obese They even have a title for the race of fat rodents they create: "MSG-Treated Rats"

The article is quite an eye opener about how much food has MSG in it and is worth a read.

As for obesity "causing" global warming.....no it can't. But the obese will be victimized twice by the very idea.

Friday May 30, 2008, 7:34 pm

- right on Judy, Quit eating poison, and you will lose weight,

from 214 to 150, in 6 months, eat healthy.

- being brain dead, contributes to global warming, the whole local solar system, is heating up, the ice caps on mars are melting, its not
Global warming, as you know it.

Friday May 30, 2008, 8:36 pm
Good grief! Scott Shaubel, like Judy Cross, doesn't believe in global warming, but he believes that the Earth is HOLLOW?!
http://www.care2.com/news/member/185341883/756897
http://www.care2.com/news/member/185341883/756859
http://www.care2.com/news/member/185341883/756843
http://www.care2.com/news/member/185341883/756825

Hey, you ever heard of the laws of physics, which would make a hollow Earth impossible?
For such madness, I have blocked Scott and deleted him from my friends list. I do not associate with lunatics!

Friday May 30, 2008, 9:59 pm

Get back into your little box then Dale. Have you ever heard of freedom of speech, The laws of Physics, haha, they are all to keep you in your restricted thinking box.
I am not phased by your ridicule(or anyone else's), its what you are brainwashed to do.
Keep up the good sheeple work!

- Maybe you should start a petition, to stop people like me from "making" ? you reading such madness.

.. perhaps, you will be able to show all your friends, how to get to the door to the Fema camps,so your government can "protect you from all the "terrorists"

Friday May 30, 2008, 10:23 pm
Ok, lets get back to the topic at hand instead of all of the posturing and attempts to change topics to chemicals etc...

In a way, I think this is a good article. Not in that it targets obise people - but in that it illustrates a much more prevasive problem. That is living in excess and simply wasting resources. We could do much to address the climate change issue if we just used our resources more wisely and cut out the fat (sorry for the pun). Some claim that we must go through radical changes and live in poverty to address the climate change issue (more fearmongering than true concern), but that is untrue - we simply need to live smarter...

Friday May 30, 2008, 11:53 pm
Good Article Joilina,

Correct again Chris, Our global society is using valuable resources too quick, therefore we have more waste, less management and a food industry which could assist by producing more quality products with less fat contents/preservatives. A healthy society is a productive society which aids to the promotion of human friendly products for the leaner and tastier food resources.

Saturday May 31, 2008, 8:51 am
Last week, Dr. Arthur Robinson of Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine announced
at the National Press Club in Washington D.C. that over 31,000 American scientists
signed a petition rejecting the theory of man-made global warming. So why is the
support for this theory evaporating among scientists? Perhaps it might be due to the
fact that global temperature trends have remained flat for the past decade while the
levels of carbon dioxide have risen 5.5%. The foundation of the AGW theory is based
on rising carbon dioxide levels producing higher temperatures. Perhaps this
evaporating consensus might be due to the analysis of paleoclimate data that reach
back hundreds of thousands of years through glacial/interglacial transitions. This
analysis showed that changes in Earth’s temperature always preceded changes in
atmospheric carbon dioxide. How can that be? Well the oceans are a vast reservoir of
carbon dioxide. As the oceans warm, it release this gas back into the atmosphere. The
atmospheric carbon dioxide levels measured today are primarily of a natural origin
rather than man-made. Or perhaps the global warming theory is in trouble because it is
based primarily on a complex computer climate model that is more hype than
substance. This sophisticated model fails to include the effects of cloud-cover. Clouds
are a major factor in modulating Earth’s temperature. Clouds block sunlight, reflecting
the light back into space thus lowering temperature. The intensity of the sun’s magnetic
field controls the rate that high energy particles, called galactic cosmic rays, hit the
Earth’s atmosphere. These particles seed cloud formation through ionization. This
process was demonstrated experimentally at the Danish National Space Centre by Dr.
Henrik Svensmark and his research team with the results published in the Proceedings
of the Royal Society in Great Britain in 2007. Therefore the climate models, without
adequately including cloud mechanics, will be poor predictors of future climate on Earth.
So if you set aside these climate models for a moment, what is science trying to tell us
about the near-term climate? The sun’s magnetic field has been unusually strong for
the past century. But the field appears to be weakening. We are at the verge of
entering solar cycle 24. Judging by the extent of spotless days (days without sunspots)
during this solar minimum, this cycle appears weaker than the 20th century solar cycles.
This will result in greater cloud cover and declining temperatures over the next decade
or longer. This process may already be underway since global temperatures as
measured from satellites have fallen significantly over the past year. Dr. Noah
Keenlyside of Germany's Leipzig Institute of Marine Science, published a paper this
month in Nature indicating global warming will stop until 2015 based on an analysis of
ocean temperatures and the giant ocean "conveyor belt" known as the meridional
overturning circulation. So as I sit near my computer with the heater running during the
end of May when it should be warm, I ponder “Where is a little global warming when you
really need it!”

Saturday May 31, 2008, 9:13 am
Oh PLEASE Judy - still running with this fake petition?

We already discussed this fakery - rather than repeat it all here, here is the discussion:

Fractured Consensus

http://www.care2.com/news/member/911565885/760245

Saturday May 31, 2008, 11:53 pm
Poor fellow thinks if he just keeps repeating magic words like "Exxon" and "dogma" all that nasty science proving that CO2 can't change climate will go away.
This is still going to be a long fight, the scamsters have too much money riding on cap and trade.

Sunday June 1, 2008, 12:12 am
Poor woman...thinks if she keeps repeating magic words "there is no evidence" and "it is cooling" that all the proof supporting human caused climate change will go away. When one ignores ALL counter information that is indeed dogma...and if you keep quoting Exxon funded "scientists" you can bet I will continue to point that out - apparently that fact is irrelevant to you, but probably not to those looking for the truth. Yes this will continue to be a long fight - afterall Exxon and their like do not have to "win" the scientific debate, all they have to do is create enough doubt to convince folks not to act - as they said "the product we are selling is doubt" - every day we delay action is just that much more money in the oily bank...

Sunday June 1, 2008, 12:14 am
Funny, I don't see anywhere in this thread where I mentioned Exxon or dogma ROFL!!!!!

Sunday June 1, 2008, 3:21 am
My last posting got cancelled by the fact that the cancelled button is on the left instead of the right.

I was trying to say that we need to generate our own energy by solar and wind power. We would be a lot more selective about our use of equipment if we had to power it ourselves.

I long for the TV that you have to power using a treadle arrangement. (Doesn't it remind you of Jack Benny with Rochester pedalling in the basement?) Get fit while you watch. You wouldn't want to watch rubbish, and you'd get fit as well.

In the UK, more energy is lost in transmission than in the totality of household loss/wastage.

Obesity is not even an issue. Unless we eat less meat.

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 8:01 am
MY GAIN IS THE MONTHLY INJECTIONS FOR PAIN,NOT THAT I DON'T EAT HEALTHY,I EAT VERY HEALTHY HAVN'T BEEN TOO FAST FOOD IN LONG TIME ,I DO STOP ON A TRIP.BUT GET WHAT IS AS HEALTHY AS I CAN,PLUS I CARRY HEALTHY THINGS WHEN I'M GONE OUT.DRIED FRUIT ECT. TY NOTED

Sunday July 6, 2008, 9:35 am
Noted. Thanks for the article Joilina. This is a very interesting topic. In my observations I feel that this problem with obesity in the U.S. has many reasons. One reason is the fact that Americans use automobiles way too much so we don't walk as often as we should. Another reason is that most of us eat too much and consume more non nutritious food than not. We don't grow some of our food anymore but most Americans have a great looking lawn! Why are we wasting water and land for something that we cannot eat??? Anyway I think that most of us watch too much T.V. and don't get out enough especially after dinner; to enjoy walks with our neighbors or friends and spend our time outdoors. Another important reason is the fact that our lifestyle in the U.S. is too stressful and hurried; for example in Europe and Mexico everyone enjoys a much needed daily siesta that usually runs from approx. 11:30 A.M. to 3:00 P.M. This is how they spend their lunchtime. They eat lunch slowly and relax for a few hours before going back to work. People actually enjoy their lives unlike the lifestyle here in the States. I also want to point out that the foods we buy at the grocery stores are mostly loaded with unnecessary toxic chemicals and preservatives, toxic herbicides/pesticides and grown with synthetic fertilizers which is regulated by our government and graciously approved for Americans to consume daily. Isn't this the main reason for all our illnesses and diseases in our modern society today? Why are we being poisoned by our governments some of you may ask? I think it is a twisted and deliberate action on their part to try and solve the massive over population problem we have in today's world. I guess to them family planning is not a viable solution. We have Fluoridated water which we know to be toxic but it is forced upon us anyway! Not all people can afford water purifiers and even then the water goes down the drain and eventually finds its way into the oceans, rivers, lakes, farmlands and soil. Just look at any Fluoride toothpaste and read the warning label. Mercury is highly toxic as well but the ADA approved this element as an ingredient in Amalgam fillings for decades!!! I have to say this one last thing not only because it is of a grave nature but because I am specifically targeting this to all the anti-choice people out there. It is a fact that George Bush Sr. started a program to wipe out the remaining Native Americans by secretly sterilizing anyone who was in their child bearing ages back when he was director of the CIA! Any person who proclaims to be pro-life should also be outraged and demand that their Representatives in Congress do a full investigation concerning this serious issue and for the Supreme Courts to prosecute to the full extent of the law!!!!!! Does anyone really think that the Aids virus just happened to start in Africa because of the primates? Please, realistically I know for sure the Aids virus was implanted there by the U.S. government so it would wipe out the majority of African people. When are the American people going to wake up????? The conservative American people and many others like them are fully asleep at the wheel and fail to accept any wrong doing on the part of the politicians and government they hold so dear. There is no excuse on this Earth for the guilty perpetrators who were involved with these heinous crimes. The American populace is too sedated and that is why governments and corrupt politicians get away with mass murder. So in conclusion regarding this topic on obesity which maybe I have strayed from somewhat, I would like to say that what we need is common sense solutions which are available to us as long as our government and others (the ones with power and wealth) do not infringe on our basic rights which especially pertains to our health and our future health.