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This Is Why Snowden Can't Be Blamed!


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Snowden, edward, susan, lindauer, cis, iraq, 911, cia, nsa, iraq, bush, war, cheney, secret, unchecked, power, government, privacy, rights, civil, constitution )

Sam
- 342 days ago - youtube.com
We all have heard of Edward Snowden, but have you ever heard of Susan Lindauer? Please listen to her interview and be prepared to be SHOCKED! She did what they say Edward Snowden should have done. Good thing Snowden DID NOT listen!



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Sam H. (403)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:10 pm
Thanks Justin. That's nice of you!
 

Justin Vale (12)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:17 pm
didn't they try to drug her like they did to the puerto rican activist Albizu Campos?
 

Justin Vale (12)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:19 pm
and wasn't she like almost every day in the iraqi embassy?
 

Justin Vale (12)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:20 pm
well thank you sam, but i wasn't trying to be nice. it is a good post. i had to see.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:21 pm
YeS Justin but she REFUSED ! spent some years in jail-without psychopharmaka! (don't know English term)
 

Jason R. (66)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:25 pm
Thanks Sam. It's so important that we don't let the Nazi's rewrite history.

Justin, I followed her news blurbs over many years. I remember when she announced the terrorists were moving to learn Jumbo jets and didm' want to learn to land or take off. Why do you think the CIA was able to release their pictures within hours? Stop being a fool. If that hurts your feelings, grow up.
 

Jason R. (66)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:28 pm
Long version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G43zl4fzDQg

Just look at all of the credible, reinforcing evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cia+911+whistleblower

Self evident, people.
 

Justin Vale (12)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:38 pm
thanks guys. googled it and remembered a ny times article i had read before. dismissed it then. i thought see wasn't all there. i was wrong.
 

Justin Vale (12)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:39 pm
she not see
 

Sam H. (403)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:42 pm
As I was typing a note to my soon-to-be-friend, Jason for bringing this story to my attention, I had the privilege of receiving a friend request from him before posting. So it is to my new friend, Jason that I like to give credit for this story. Without him I wouldn’t have been able to connect the travails of Susan Lindauer and Edward Snowden. Thanks a bunch, Jason!
 

Jason R. (66)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:51 pm
Thanks, Sam, for putting it back out here. I suppose some people might think I've been a little strange, talking about the Nazi coup and rightly so. It's unbelievable, what they were able to do but there you have it. See steps to fascism. All the puzzle pieces have been condensed. It is self evident. No more denying, eh?
 

Angelika R. (144)
Monday January 13, 2014, 8:06 pm
I do hope that many disbelievers and those sitting on the fence will now open their eyes and minds to what's going on, has been going on for a long time, and rethink their animosity or indifference for Snowden!
Just too bad it doesn't help one bit if the gang is being indicted for crimes by Kuala Lumpur courts only!
 

Justin Vale (12)
Monday January 13, 2014, 8:10 pm
that's the problem on this site. too many extremist. on both sides
and that is the only self evident thing i have found on this site.
what happen to the middle of the road people that used to bless this site with their presence?
all of you scared them away, typing vitriol from their living rooms.
that's the coward's way out.
be nice. it doesn't hurt. it actually feels good.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Monday January 13, 2014, 8:11 pm
There's actually a quite illustrious men's club I'd like to see at The Hague !
 

Justin Vale (12)
Monday January 13, 2014, 8:15 pm
well you're not cause they run the Hague
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (281)
Monday January 13, 2014, 8:15 pm
Love Snowden
 

Angelika R. (144)
Monday January 13, 2014, 8:19 pm
Not forever, Justin-justice WILL prevail in the end. (with your name you should realise that as well)
 

Angelika R. (144)
Monday January 13, 2014, 8:34 pm
And PLEASE let's keep it on topic this time! I already mentioned and addressed these fence sitters who haven't yet fallen to one or the other side-let them watch the video, learn something and then they'll fall to the correct side.
 

Henriette Matthijssen (148)
Monday January 13, 2014, 9:41 pm
How the plot thickens! Interesting video! Thanks Sam for posting & credits to your friend Jason.
 

Jason R. (66)
Monday January 13, 2014, 10:40 pm
Justin. We are not extremists. Where do you get that from? We'r real people that care about all aspects of our environments. We're Americans with a Constitution. The truth should be the middle of the road. What are you talking about?
We have a shadow government that's been in control for a long time. Rouge agencies that are comfortable in the big lie. This has to stop.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (464)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 12:46 am
ROGUE agencies, Jason!
"Rouge" is red...
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (464)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 1:24 am
Thank you for this revealing Interview.
I personally don't think George W. Bush knew about 9/11 before it happened. He was an irresponsible DRUNK, and might have BLABBED inadvertently. I believe George Bush was kept "out of the loop".

I do believe, however, that Vice-President Dick CHENEY, and Defense Secy. Donald Rumsfeld, not only KNEW about 9/11, but had a great hand in PLANNING it. Their PURPOSE in planning 9/11, was, to MAKE WAR ON IRAQ - to have a "Pearl Harbor" or "Remember the Maine" type of EXCUSE that would stir the Public to support War - after the dis-illusionment with War after the Viet Nam DEFEAT. And - it worked! as we all know...

Iraq was pictured as WEAK, after the Sanctions and after their prolonged war with Iran - which we helped foment - and, besides being WEAK so we could "win in a cakewalk", it was seen as providing a BASE for further operations and "Domination" of the Middle East and its OIL. {And keeping China, Russia, etc. out.}
[That's why we built this HUGE U.S. EMBASSY in Iraq, the biggest anywhere...]

The absolute and undeniable PROOF that Cheney and Rumsfeld KNEW EXACTLY WHEN 9/11 WAS GOING TO HAPPEN - and PREPARED IN ADVANCE FOR IT -
was, that Dick Cheney TOOK OVER THE COMMAND OF NORAD, the U.S. Air Defense, JUST BEFORE 9/11 actually happened.
The Top Command in the Chain of Command of NORAD, is NOT a usual or traditional role for an American Vice President - also a man who had ABSOLUTELY NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER - and absolutely NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER, WITH AVIATION.
Yet, by "Coincidence" - gee whiz, there's a LOT of 9/11 "Coincidences" if you start looking! - by sheerest Happenstance, very conveniently - Vice-President Dick Cheney was IN TOTAL COMMAND OF NORAD just when 9/11 happened! Who coulda GUESSED!
And, on 9/11 - NORAD WHILE THE U.S. WAS UNDER ATTACK -
NORAD WAS ORDERED, FROM THE TOP, TO "STAND DOWN". NORAD is on duty 24-hours a day - right now of course as we speak - and any airplane even straying by accident off its flight path, is IMMEDIATELY intercepted. I saw a TV program showing how NORAD can get a plane up off the ground in MINUTES... in split-seconds!
Yet, WHILE THE 9/11 ATTACK WAS GOING ON, NORAD WAS ORDERED TO "STAND DOWN". And, of course, in the Military, pilots have NO OPTION BUT TO OBEY THE CHAIN-OF-COMMAND.
That is the ONLY TIME in its ENTIRE HISTORY, ever, from the beginning, that NORAD has EVER been ordered OFF THE AIRWAYS - ordered to NOT DO ITS NORMAL JOB.
ALL Pilots KNOW that something is very fishy here! {Right after 9/11, Cheney resigned as Head of NORAD and the Chain-of-Command went back to normal.}
These FACTS are part of the PUBLIC RECORD and can be VERIFIED by anyone.
You might want to go check PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH, or
Architects&Engineersfor9/11Truth, or Families {families of Victims} for 9/11 Truth - or similar organizations. On the Internet.
NOT the "crazy Conspiracy Theorists" that they've been painted as, of course, by the govt and media.
{Altho there ARE "crazy Conspiracy Theorists AMONG this bunch - some PLANTED on websites by the govt, to DISCREDIT these groups' good work.You have to use Discernment and Judgement, as in all things...}
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (464)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 1:41 am
I don't think that Obama could have possibly been elected President, without KNOWING, himself, about 9/11.
Just not possible. Knew that from the start.
I believe that the powers-that-be, allowed FOOLS AND CLOWNS to run in the GOP against Obama; so that, while presenting a LIBERAL facade on some Domestic Issues, President Obama could be counted on to CONTINUE the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld policies - and be BLAMED for them, to boot! when Americans started to object...
I see President Obama as the PUPPET of the SAME people that instituted, and PROFITED FROM, 9/11 - certainly NOT as the INSTIGATOR of these policies, all by himself!
How Obama FEELS about his {hypocritical!} role in all this, I have no idea. Can't fathom the psychology of all these people anyway...
Anyway, the GOP and some of the Media {Fox, et al}, are trying to FOCUS THE ATTENTION ON OBAMA, and AWAY from 9/11 itself, and CHENEY AND RUMSFELD, and their Collaborators {Saudis, the Bush family, etc.}.
While Obama is certainly their errand-boy, he didn't INVENT these policies, or the Patriot Act...
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (464)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 1:48 am
The Patriot Act, as I should've written, a BIG THICK DOCUMENT OF MANY PAGES, with clauses and sub-clauses, a document which NO-ONE IN CONGRESS ACTUALLY READ BEFORE PASSING IT...
[Well, that would've been impossible, no-one can read that fast!]
The Patriot Act, a Big Thick Fat Document, written in Legal Language...
A Document which was ALL WRITTEN UP AND READY TO GO, right after 9/11 happened...!

That's MORE Evidence, right there, that 9/11 WAS ANTICIPATED AND DELIBERATELY PREPARED FOR.
 

Parsifal O. (102)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 2:06 am
Thank you Sam, I've integrated the Lindauer - RT video in my research:

Foreknowledge of 911 - The Time Before
 

Abdessalam Diab (150)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 5:31 am
Thank you Sam for posting this story. Thanks to all comments specially the detailed information provided by BMutiny. 9/11 must be investigated bay an independent committee which may surprise us with more scandals for not only G.W.Bush administration but to the whole system in the white house,the Pentagon and Capitol Hill.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 7:11 am
Middle of the road is head in the sand. I'd say people like Susan Lindauer would hold some weight in this topic that surrounds 9-11, Iraq, and all that has taken place since that point. Do you feel like you live in the same type of America? I don't. The Patriot Act has criminalized dissention, that should cause concern for everyone who is an American citizen.

For those who don't want to take time to view full video, begin at 7:35. I do think after that you might choose to start at the beginning. The government's chilling message has gone out across America: Dissent if you must, but proceed at your own risk.

Sedition is the rebellious talk and encouragement that might lead to a mutiny, and can be charged as a crime, like treason. The Alien and Sedition Acts passed into law in the late 1700s were challenged Thomas Jefferson as a violation of Americans' First Amendment rights to free speech.

The Sedition Act expired a few years later but was replaced in the early 1900s by what is called the Espionage Act, which was later repealed as well. Now with the Patriot Act and NDAA the waters are very murky in the USA.

When should the expression of one's activism be considered "free speech" and when should it be considered sedition?

We can answer that by what the Government is doing to those who speak out, as this woman did through the proper channels, or what Snowden did, and the 85 year old Nun that stood up against nuclear energy that is now serving her 20 year sentence. We have a big Prison Industrial Complex we have a Military Industrial one, we have the Criminals running the show, Monsanto keeps feeding us poisons, and our lands are being fracked our waters poisoned.

When clean water is more than the majority can afford what then; the toxins are injected into us at an ever increasing rate, pretty soon with a broken educational system no one will have the ware for all to question anything. Isn't that where they'd like us? That is what middle of the road has gotten us. Most of the American Indians also took the middle of the road, look what it got them too. Welcome to the Rez.
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 7:38 am
Excellent post- TY Sam and Henriette for the fwd
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 8:21 am

Thanks so much for posting this, Sam.

Great comments (most from thinking people who are not afraid to question authority)!

"Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry."

 

Jason R. (66)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 9:18 am
"I personally don't think George W. Bush knew about 9/11 before it happened."

There is no doubt that he knew. Cheney in a bunker, retelling the military to stand down? Bush in Fla, reading an upside down book with the guiltiest look on his face.

First hand testimony? No doubt what so ever.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 9:21 am

Hahahaha . . . I'll never forget the upside down book photo op! (You'd think someone from his entourage -- including the photographer -- would have noticed and corrected that.)

 

Jason R. (66)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 9:21 am
I related news. Prophesied for these times, qualified by number of innocent deaths.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gwbush+mabus

Spin the gw
 

Angelika R. (144)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 9:39 am
Are there AGAIN comments missing here or is it my misunderstanding? Jason- where did you get that quote?
("I personally don't think George W. Bush knew about 9/11 before it happened." )
 

Angelika R. (144)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 9:45 am
OOPs-sorry , forget about that Jason! I simply overlooked it b/c unexpected from Barbara.
 

jess b (24)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 10:02 am
Truth is stranger than fiction. thks Sam and comments are appreciated (who question the word of 'authority'.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 10:09 am
Jess-truth is DEADLY!
 

Ben Oscarsito (356)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 10:09 am
"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it"
(George Orwell)
 

Jason R. (66)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 12:06 pm
Right, Ben. We are there…

http://www.care2.com/news/member/113088365/3700373
 

Birgit W. (152)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 12:58 pm
Thanks for sharing. Dandelion says it all. We all need to speak up.
 

monka blanke (82)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 1:10 pm
Thank you so much for the post, Sam. I watched the whole video, and I knew there is more than one truth. Kudos for S. Lindauer. We need another government.
 

Marija Mohoric (47)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 2:16 pm
Thank you for sharing.
 

Abo r. (103)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 2:52 pm
Noted, thanks Sam for posting and Henriette for forwarding
 

Yvonne White (233)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 2:53 pm
Thanks for posting the links to the 9/11 CONSPIRACY!!! group, BMutiny!
 

Nadia Bonner (16)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 3:06 pm
Think the guy is a hero
 

David B. (38)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 3:19 pm
Obama would accuse Snowden of treason for disclosing the crimes of the U.S. government? How sick is that?
 

Thomas M. (7)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 3:53 pm
Snowden: NOT
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 4:43 pm
Great video, Sam. Thanks for sharing.
 

Dotti Lydon (112)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 5:28 pm
I have always had mixed feelings about Snowden. I am going to watch the video and put forth some more thought.
 

Dotti Lydon (112)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 5:30 pm
I intended to say that I am going to watch the video AGAIN.
 

Patsy Olive (0)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 5:38 pm
watching the 9-11 videos, sure makes you wonder if it was known to happen before it did.
 

Sam H. (403)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 5:57 pm
Thanks Dotti for noting the story and for being so open-minded about it.

Many of Snowden critics postulate that had Snowden gone through the proper channels, all government excess would have been resolved without exposing himself to prosecution by the government.

Susan Lindauer’s experience presents us with the perfect example as to why a whistleblower cannot rely on the whistleblower laws for protection because they offer none.

Members of Congress who were supposed to keep the NSA in check were themselves the victims of the NSA—they were spied upon by the NSA.

Snowden took the only option available to him to expose the overreach of the NSA. He had no material gain from his heroic deed. If anything, he jeopardized everything he had so he could expose what our government is doing to us and to the world!
 

Debra Tate (17)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 6:20 pm
Wow! Powerful information! THANKS
 

Jason R. (66)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 6:42 pm
Snowden should be seen as the people's hero.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (464)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 7:38 pm
It's a trivial point really - that in my opinion, "Bush didn't know about 9/11 before it happened."
If *I* were a 9/11 conspirator - and it IS a Conspiracy, one at the highest levels of government! - if I were one of "them", I wouldn't trust drunk-frat-boy Bush to keep any secrets. Sure he probably knew SOMETHING was up - and the picture of him with a "guilty look on his face" and the upside-down book, was AFTER the event, and by THEN Bush probably knew, or guessed, or something!
After all, ANOTHER thing ON RECORD, is, that Bush said he "saw on TV the first plane hit the tower" - which if true, must've been on some private-circuit TV camera, as THAT WAS NOT IN THE FIRST NEWSCASTS - an Ooops! moment by Bush which is FURTHER evidence that he couldn't be trusted with any important secrets of any nature....
While in a Court of Justice like The Hague, a President should rightly be held responsible - still, it is a MYTH that the American President is "the most powerful person in the world". Kennedy may have been the last one to hold such actual power - you remember what happened to him, he was assassinated. {By a "lone crazy gunman"? Nah.....} Both Bush and Obama, and others, held the APPEARANCE of power but are, as I said before, puppets and errand-boys of the "powers-behind-the-throne" - a non-voted-on, non-democratic bunch... Presidential elections, while important in determining some DOMESTIC issues, are mainly to keep the IDEA of Democracy, alive, if not the Substance...
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 8:35 pm
Thanks Sam. That video was great; the comments on this post are fascinating; given what we now know, and possibly previously surmised, is the USA 'the land of the free'?
 

Ros G. (84)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 12:20 am
VALE: Justin....thanks for the forward Dandelion..and others for their comments...think we will have to wait a few more years before more truths come out.
 

Robert O. (12)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 12:35 am
Thanks Sam.
 

Bridget Robertson (106)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 1:09 am
Noted. And thank you.
 

Neill Abayon (718)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 1:47 am
Thanks Sam for sharing this.

Thanks also to BMutiny for the detailed comment.

All comments are well appreciated. T.Y.
 

Linda Rust (72)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 7:15 am
Thanks Sam, for posting this and Dandelion for the forward & your excellent comment posted above. I agree that the time for the "middle of the road" approach has passed. The powers that be want us to stay calm and not get too angry. They're counting on our passive complicity while the military industrial complex takes over our government and our economy for the sake of the huge profits they make from the war and weapons industry. Our government is ruled by the corporations, Cheney made a fortune through Halliburton and the government contracts given to that corporation to rebuild the country of Iraq which he helped to destroy. I agree with Susdan Lindauer that dissent has been made a crime and our government continues to tighten the noose around the necks of those who speak out against the wrongs to our democracy committed by those in power. The survival of free speech, the cornerstone of any true democracy, is at stake. Where is our outrage, or will we go quietly into the dark night of totalitarianism that is fast approaching our country?!
 

Angelika R. (144)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 7:34 am
"fast approaching"-? You can just hope it won't overrun all of you in a stampede! iT's THERE, HAS BEEN there, only some didn't even notice! Where IS the outrage??? exactly!
 

Angelika R. (144)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 7:38 am
Linda -as they are preparing to go to war AGAIN it is still not too late to start screaming your outrage NOW. Make sure Congress hears you this time (start perhaps with McCain and Graham ) I am NOT addressing you personally here Linda. :)
 

Linda Rust (72)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 7:55 am
Angelika, this is one of the reasons I appreciate the Care2 News Network-because we share the information we can glean from the alternative news networks which try to tell us the truth about what's going on in the world---something our mainstream media here in the U.S. won't do. This site, and the people here, are a lifeline for me. I don't think our government will be able to manipulate the American public into supporting a war with Iran as easily as they persuaded many to support the attack on Iraq. Too many people our aware of the blatant lies concocted to justify that atrocity. And this time our current President is standing for diplomacy , something very different from the stance of the Bush Administration. I also think too many people are aware of the cuts to all the social programs justified by the idea that we "can't afford" to spend money on food benefits, unemployment benefits and other things that people truly need. How will they justify spending billions, or trillions, on another unnecessary war?
 

Sam H. (403)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 8:37 am
Obama to Place Some Restraints on Surveillance

I don’t think they’ll ever do enough. They’ll just tinker with it to pacify a passing sense of outrage. They'll then go back to their old ways!
 

Robert B. (58)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 8:42 am
When whistle blowers are not protected and not seen as heroes, there is something REALLY WRONG! And when a person in this country can be held against their will without trial or a lawyer then we have a dictatorship. There is something wrong with this whole picture, there is a bad smell. Even before the conspiracy theories started about 911, I thought it very odd that there was an almost manic and over the top effort to remove the the remains of the Twin Towers and there seemed to be no concern for looking at the evidence of wreckage from the planes. This is why we NEED whistle blowers!!! Without them all of the power is behind the curtain, not to be questioned.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 8:54 am
"Restraints" on surveillance-blah blah-we don't need COSMETICS but a complete overhaul , investigation and of this entire thing. No more short term mitigations! Obama ALSO just refused a new spying agreement with us!(Germany) that was designed to limit these things. Go figure..
 

Sam H. (403)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 9:08 am
I think they got enough dirt on all these politicians--enough to derail their careers. That's why you're not going to find any elected official who would stand up to these spy agencies.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 9:14 am
Most likely correct, Sam! We know what to expect on Friday and the way it looks that's even less than all could already read here> http://www.care2.com/news/member/153110506/3698544


LIBERTY AND SECURITY IN A CHANGING WORLD - Panel Report
But on their own these recommendations would do NOTHING to stop the NSA’s invasive programs. President Obama needs to support the recommendations that would stop mass surveillance. And his next step should be to support the USA FREEDOM ACT..
 

Jason R. (66)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 9:16 am
Obama only mildly resists the MIC. It's all any one can do. America is run by a rogue, shadow government.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 10:14 am
Today German Bundestag had their first very heated debate on the NSA matter-ALL parties agreed unanimously that the NSA went far too far and they will keep fighting for that agreement to come forth, no matter how long it may take. There have been threats to not agree on the TPP in many points demanded by US.
Some more nicer news of today:
Edward Snowden To Join Daniel Ellsberg, Others on Freedom of the Press Foundation’s Board of Directors
 

Angelika R. (144)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 10:16 am
Snowden:
"It is tremendously humbling to be called to serve the cause of our free press, and it is the honor of a lifetime to do so alongside extraordinary Americans like Daniel Ellsberg on FPF’s Board of Directors. The unconstitutional gathering of the communications records of everyone in America threatens our most basic rights, and the public should have a say in whether or not that continues. Thanks to the work of our free press, today we do, and if the NSA won't answer to Congress, they'll have to answer to the newspapers, and ultimately, the people."
 

Jason R. (66)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 10:20 am
TY Angie
 

Michael A. (29)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 10:41 am
Noted
 

Linda Rust (72)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 12:06 pm
I don't think we can trust our government to police itself. It's like deregulating the Wall Street Banks and then asking them to just "do the right thing". I appreciate Pres. Obama trying to use diplomatic means to deal with the situation with Iran, (but what exactly is that situation anyway, I keep reading that they don't even have the capability to create nuclear weapons now or anytime in the foreseeable future). But this is the same administration which acts on secret "kill lists" and runs covert drone strikes which continue to kill innocent people who can't possibly be construed as terrorists.( And when victims of the drone strike which killed a grandmother in front of her grandchildren were brought by Rep Alan Grayson to speak to Congress---only 4 Congress people even bothered to show up!) Who sent Clapper to address the Congress on NSA surveillance of U.S. citizens, where he blatantly lied on the stand to Congress while under oath ( a felony), and our government has never yet never addressed the issue of his perjury. The Patriot Act opened the doors to all this, and the Citizens United ruling cemented the corporations ability to have officials elected who will support the war and surveillance apparatus---seemingly regardless of what it does to destroy the concept of democracy.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 12:15 pm
Yes Linda-as Sam already posted Sam H. (357) Sunday January 5, 2014, 9:02 am
"So why aren’t we talking about prosecuting Clapper for lying under oath?
 

Angelika R. (144)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 12:17 pm
"concept of democracy" ;) :D...ok
 

lee e. (114)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 2:39 pm
Thanks Sam, Justin, BMutiny and all of you who posted! I felt the twinge of foreboding when Cheney was heading NORAD for a day, and the exit of the bin Laden family by plane when no other was allowed to fly, so many conspiracy factors just can't be coincidental, not to mention the Patriot Act - that was a dreadful, illegal assimilation of power by our government - who can we trust after all?
This Lindhauer (sp?) interview is quite remarkable - I hadn't heard of her, but when I think of Bernstein and Woodward and the honor they received - whistle blowers of today are treated with remarkable abuse, Assange and Snowden and Manning, are just 3, knowing there are others currently subject to more abuse is just appalling! Our democracy is clearly being overlooked and misrepresented by the very heads of government who are sworn to uphold it!
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 2:54 pm
As a woman and Human Being I find the last two comments inappropriate and add nothing of value to this thread. I have therefore flagged both.
 

Lois Jordan (58)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 3:14 pm
Thanks so much for posting, Sam. I'd heard of Susan Lindauer, but hadn't seen this absolutely amazing interview. Wow, that was remarkable! And, so many excellent comments....Dandelion, Jason, BMutiny, Angelika & lee e. I have supported Snowden and signed petitions & sent letters on his behalf since I first learned the news. I tend to agree that Bush knew. And, April sounds right, because pretty soon after that, we had the "Chandra Levy's Missing" case all over the media for months during the summer of 2001....taking the major focus off everything else. I know for a fact that pilots in Europe were told to not lose sight of their I.D.'s or uniforms during that summer, because they were being stolen, and it was a "security problem."
So, it seems like everyone knew a lot more than the entire Bush Admin....(lol).
 

Angelika R. (144)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 4:54 pm
Sheryl, you ain't seen nothing yet. (perhaps revisit my post proüior to this, the Debra Sweet video) Justin is not here to add value but for entertainment from what we've seen.
 

S J. (118)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 5:04 pm
Noted, thanks Sam.
 

Ms Noting Commentator (21)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 6:25 pm
This woman articulated her experience very well. She gave me the impression she was on the up-and-up all the way. She understood what was going on and she knew where her rights were being infringed upon. She also knew what issues she had the right to demand in her protecting herself.

However, what about an innocent, naive individual—for example, like me—who does not know what to demand in protecting oneself. Someone like me would be overwhelmed, confused, and scared, as well as easily manipulated into endangering my rights even further.

At present, it is really very difficult to determine what is ethical and what is not when pertaining to whistle-blowers, especially when one’s government is so decadent and self-serving.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 6:27 pm
I'm glad to see the offending comments were removed......they were not directed at Lee nor Angelika, but the one who was removed. I wasn't entertained.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 7:44 pm
Eric was still at work at that time Sheryl, I saw him in F&S 2 mins before you flagged-so he removed it subsequently.
 

Angelus Silesius (66)
Thursday January 16, 2014, 7:20 am
Evil fluorishes when good people fail to act
 

Angelus Silesius (66)
Thursday January 16, 2014, 7:26 am
Susan thank you for your courage.. we know this comes at a personal price
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday January 16, 2014, 12:23 pm

Send Snowden Home ( new Avaaz petition)
 

Sam H. (403)
Thursday January 16, 2014, 12:59 pm
Oh My Dearest Carole,

I’m sure the petition is well-intentioned, but this is sensitive (kind of) Sam responding.

“Send Snowden home” invokes the same feelings I get when I hear them shouting, “Send those immigrants home.” I would have preferred “Bring Snowden Home.” I understand that the petition may have originated outside the US and none of my concerns apply, but I’m still uneasy about the language.

I wouldn’t be in such a rush to bring Snowden home until certain things are fully settled. He may be better off living among the free elsewhere in the world in the meantime (not necessarily in Russia), until we can bring him home to live among the free.

Securing amnesty for him is certainly important, but I hate to see that amnesty granted by the same criminals who broke the law in the first place and disregarded the Constitution.

I think a good starting point would be to prosecute and convict those criminals who betrayed our trust, disregarded the Constitution and lied under oath.

That, I think, would be the right way to honor a hero!

Don’t you agree?
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Thursday January 16, 2014, 2:05 pm
To the President of Brazil, Dilma Rousseff, and Minister of Justice, José Eduardo Cardozo:

As citizens from around the world deeply concerned with the massive violation of our privacy, we call on you to grant asylum to whistleblower Edward Snowden. As the leader of a global movement for internet freedom and privacy, Brazil is the perfect home for a man who sacrificed his life to disclose invasive and illegal US spying.
End....above is on petition.

According to the way the petition is written is send him home to his NEW home in Brazil. I'd not want him sent home to the USA, he is not going to be treated well here. True patriots are jailed and the criminals get bonus monies, off shore tax havens, seats in Government and jobs as lobbyists or with Corporations.....great mafia system we have.

I signed to show my support to the Brazilian Government......if they choose to do so.
 

Sam H. (403)
Thursday January 16, 2014, 2:27 pm
Apologies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess I shouldn’t have read a petition by its title!

Thanks Dandelion!

Sorry Carole and everyone else who bit their tongue and didn’t bring up at my ineptness.

I guess I'm excitable. Who would have guessed?!?!?!
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday January 16, 2014, 2:44 pm

S'ok. Sam.

 

Latonya W. (83)
Thursday January 16, 2014, 4:40 pm
this is very scary its too much power in the wrong hands and people arent seeing this...until it happens or effects them but my gosh by then it can be too late...lives are destroyed because of thinh=gs like this...
 

Angelika R. (144)
Friday January 17, 2014, 8:53 am
"I guess I'm excitable. Who would have guessed?!?!?! " - ME !!
 

Angelika R. (144)
Friday January 17, 2014, 10:09 am
I missed lthe prez' speech at 5 PM my time b/c busy on this site with all the other wrong going stuff that's currently happening here. But, after that snippet I just caught on CNN about what Obama said re Snowden I'll say no regrets as it might have caused me a heart attack. Could someone please send THIS VIDEO to the WH ?!!
 

Sam H. (403)
Friday January 17, 2014, 10:13 am
Do you think a word said here could have escaped them?
 

Angelika R. (144)
Friday January 17, 2014, 10:39 am
not really Sam , but there's a difference between "them" and "him"-or maybe not so.. btw I think I accidently or incidently ran across a fake clone site today with one of the posts here...awkward and never seen before..hmmmm
 

Angelika R. (144)
Friday January 17, 2014, 10:41 am
..I should add related to THIS thread ^^
 

Jude Hand (59)
Friday January 17, 2014, 11:47 am
Noted. Hard to know what to say, frankly, especially after reading the comments. Signed the AVAAZ petition, even though I concur that the language "send" or "bring" is notable. Not notable enough to not sign.
 

Larry S. (9)
Tuesday January 28, 2014, 10:20 am

In 1971, Daniel Ellsberg, a leading Vietnam War strategist, concludes that America’s role in the war is based on decades of lies. He leaks 7,000 pages of top-secret documents to The New York Times, a daring act of conscience that leads directly to Watergate, President Nixon’s resignation and the end of the Vietnam War. Ellsberg and a who’s-who of Vietnam-era movers and shakers give a riveting account of those world-changing events in POV’s The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers.

Watch the documentary here > http://www.pbs.org/pov/mostdangerousman/
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Tuesday January 28, 2014, 10:59 am
Thank you Larry for bringing up Daniel Ellsberg for those who are unaware of this major contribution to ending a war among other things. He, Manning, Edward Snowden, Susan Lindauer have my up most respect. Any time a Government or those holding seat within the Government are not doing the honorable work should be called out.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Tuesday January 28, 2014, 11:12 am
Adding my thanks to Larry, seen it all before and, frankly, find it a bit hard to believe that NOT EVERYONE has been aware of this yet!
Perhaps also throw in here for late visitors like Larry the breaking new interview Snowden had with our German TV station >
Edward Snowden German TV Interview
Edward Snowden's First Television Interview (ARD/Germany)
First Snowden Interview
 

Gina Caracci (231)
Wednesday January 29, 2014, 5:18 pm
I knew it was planned from the beginning..war is money and it was a ruse to gain more control and to give a reason for us to lose freedoms..
they ARE sitting in locked rooms dreaming up this diabolical crap years in advance
TY for more proof!
 

Gina Caracci (231)
Wednesday January 29, 2014, 5:21 pm
Heres the picture of Bush and his upside down book..lol
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/schoolvideo.html
 

MsR S. (189)
Monday February 3, 2014, 6:00 pm
Definitely worth knowing... Just wonder why "they" allow her to speak up instead
of keeping her out of the news... I never even dreamed that the future would be like this...
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Monday February 3, 2014, 6:12 pm
Me neither.....I'd say it wasn't a dream even if I did, more like a nightmare.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Saturday February 8, 2014, 11:01 pm
In the beginning of summer 2001 I heard on the HRT radio (Croatian national broadcast) that Bin Laden is preparing something big in the US. This story didn't went any further, so I forgot about it, that is until the first news started pouring from news agencies. Watching all confusing reports and TV pictures pouring in the next hours, it suddenly stroke me: That's it! That's what Bin Laden prepared to do" -- even before anyone blamed him for 9/11. And I kept asking myself: If the US officials knew about it, why they didn't stop it? So I asked some of my friends if they remember that single one report of Bin Laden's planning some big action on the US soil, but apparently none has ever heard that short 2 sentences. After a while, even I begun to think that I have misunderstood something. Still, 3 months before it, it was aired once and I heard it, and that is true.
 

Jason R. (66)
Sunday February 9, 2014, 9:42 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB6k21Yyh7I
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Sunday February 9, 2014, 1:28 pm
Sorry Jason, the link you gave it said the video no longer exists.
 

Sam H. (403)
Sunday February 9, 2014, 4:30 pm
Hi Dandelion,

Jason's video worked for me. I wonder if it was a temporary glitch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB6k21Yyh7I
 

Pat B. (355)
Sunday February 9, 2014, 5:12 pm
I did not know about Ms. Lindauer. Wow.!! Kudos to Lindauer, Manning, and Snowden and Mr. Ellsberg for coming forward to let people know what is going on. I admire their forthright interviews. As a nation, we need to know what is going on..Signed Avaaz petition that Carole mentioned above.Thank you, Sam for this post. Passing on as well.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Monday February 10, 2014, 4:31 am
Thanks Sam, I was able to view the video with the hotlink you provided. Yes, a glitch of some sorts. I had heard this man's interview or another video that spoke of him. But is good to keep getting this information out there. This should of been spread widely over the mainstream media but things like that don't and we know why.
 
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