Wednesday May 7, 2008, 7:37 pm
I can't believe you were reprimanded by Care2's administration! How about the jerks who post nonsense on the site each and every night? There are some people who post noteworthy news but others who post porn and items that are pure nonsense! That isn't news!You post what is viable news stories and leave feedback which is on the articles. You're an assett to the Care2 Community.

Wednesday May 7, 2008, 7:46 pm
Care2 should remove spamers like jonas brothers petition instead of hasseling our buddy Hans. Who ever is the co host get to pick what stays and goes. but the cohost has to follow rules too, from what I understand. Love you Hans

Wednesday May 7, 2008, 7:46 pm
Thnx Hans!

Wednesday May 7, 2008, 7:53 pm
Agree Danielle and June. Thank you Hans, you are a inspiration to us all.

Thursday May 8, 2008, 2:09 am
I believe everyone should be given the chance to express their opinion; the Net has given this to a group in society who have missed out, for different reasons.

Thursday May 8, 2008, 4:46 am
I would love to see many people follow in this new group to guarantee freedom of speech and fair practices in Care2! I have no problem if i have to change comments just let me know and dont delete or change them! So many people want to help me and want to know what comments have been deleted well i would love to know that too! It could be in the meat is good story or in the meat the truth...maybe on some messages from Scott! I would realy want to know what it has been that i have been flagged for...the girls just do their job...It would be much better if a censorship task force would handle these questions that way the Care2 service team could do what they have to do support the members and show them all the great opportunities that Care2 offers for activists! I want to improve Care2 since it is the best we have so far...i did not see any other community that rocks like care2 does! So lets try to make a even bigger difference and save the freedom of speech! Please join and give us your suggestions! We appreciate your help!

Thursday May 8, 2008, 5:10 am
This not verbatim.....But one of our forfathers said.....

I may not like what you have to say but I will fight to allow you to say it........

That is freedom of speech.....Derogatory comment however are a no-no towards another.

An opinion is no more than what it is.....An opinion!!!!

American Indian Proverb
If a man is as wise as a serpent,
he can afford to be as harmless as a dove.

American Indian Proverb
Our pleasures are shallow,
our sorrows are deep.

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE..........

Thursday May 8, 2008, 6:28 am

Well, this is not the first time this subect has come up -- but I sure as heck hope it's the last time!

Thanks for posting this, Hans.

Thursday May 8, 2008, 6:38 am
One of the main differences between man and animals is......

Animals do not try to change another animal into something other than what it is........We humans try to persuade, con, scheme, scamm and rob others of what they perceive. In the middle of all this is total confusion & massive misunderstandings of who, what, where, why and how the meaning of who we are.......Does anyone have an answer?????

I've concluded since being on Care2 man is just nutzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!



If I listen
will you hear me?

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.....

Thursday May 8, 2008, 7:35 am
Took the poll. Hans is needed here. An injustice was done to him.

Thursday May 8, 2008, 8:44 am
I'm so sick of Care 2. When I joined nine years ago it was a great site. The beginning of the end was the introduction of Care 2 News. It continued to decline when children started to join. (With all the sex and drugs sites created especially for youngsters you would think they would have enough to keep them busy and they'd leave us adults alone.) I have seen a lot of crap posted on Care 2, but none of it ever from Dear Hans. The whole thing smells "fishy" to me.

Thursday May 8, 2008, 9:45 am
Gosh, I know I'm going to be oh, so unpopular with for this, but I think that Care2 *shouldn't* be beholden to anyone. To answer the poll: Yes, I believe Care2 should be able to censor its content to protect members of all ages. Yes, I believe Care2 should have the decency to notify a member when one of their posts has been censored (and it appears that they do). Yes, I believe I have been censored in the past at least once. As for whether or not you personally use inappropriate language, Hans - I don't know you, so I can't say - but it seems that the poll was pretty split down the middle, given that some people have differing views on what is 'inappropriate', and when there's smoke, there's surely fire. If anything, you should take those results to means that you should crack open a thesaurus in the future. You seem like an intelligent fellow, not at all lazy, so what exactly is the problem here? Pride? Ever since that first incident of censorship, I began copying my posts before posting them, so that if they were somehow seen as being inappropriate, they could be edited and reposted. It's not how I say what I say that's important - it's the underlying message.

For everyone's consideration (not just poor Hans):

Care2, NOT YOU, gets to decide who can join, and what's appropriate. They, NOT YOU, have the right to censor as they please. Why? Because they, NOT YOU, did all the work of creating, maintaining, and promoting the site.
Freedom of expression isn't really free; it comes with a responsibility to self-censor. Thus, on a site owned by someone else, one's right of expression is really more of a privilege. It's shocking just how many people want to regard the Care2 staff as slaves to their whims! Do you think that just because you've graced Care2 with your presence, that the site should allow you to say and do anything you please? Whatever happened to common sense, humility, and (gasp!) personal responsibility? I'm certain that I've had stuff censored before. I don't take it personally; I take it as a learning experience, and adapt. If you really dislike Care2 that much, why not start up your own environment-friendly site and then let everyone else try to tell you what's what? Also, consider the irony of one being able to form a new 'free speech' group within the site one is complaining about not being able to do whatever one wants in.

Care2 does a lot of good - how about coming down off the high horses and showing a little gratitude? I for one am glad to see that Care2 is finally stepping up to the plate and shutting down the spammers, the phishers, the cons, and the other excessive distasteful behavior. if a few posts from a
legitimate member in good standing such as Hans get axed pending modification, then that's the price we have to pay. It's not the end of the world, people. So much drama!

If you were one of those members who sends hundreds of unsolicited messages to people each day, flooding their in boxes against their expressed wishes, should we defend you then? What about if you formed a group advocating child or animal abuse - should you have the right to do that, too? There are rules, and they are unnecessary evils - but because the average person needs direction every now and then, the *are* necessary.

Care2 is free, but it's owned and managed by someone who is NOT YOU (if it were a pay site, then I could see Hans making a valid point). Therefore, anyone who is a member of Care2 should try to use the education they received in school to find words to express themselves which are considered offensive to any age. Really, how hard is that?

Thursday May 8, 2008, 9:46 am
Dear friends!
I think that Care2 is a great community! If you look at myspace or facebook i can tell you that i love Care2! But we can make improvements and why should not Care2 want to improve! I m sick of Care2 that does not sound to good...and we can change that with the help from the management!
I would love to see the two comments that have been deleted!
That would be a great start...
Than Care2 should use the same system as all hosts do if they remove posts!
A message with the subject that has been removed should be generated just like it is generated when we delete posts!
I agree with Carole i also hope that this is the last time that we need to
come up with this unfair suspension/deletes...
It could be changed very easy...and the girls in the service team could focus on helping new members! There is so much good in Care2 but 99% of the people dont use anything...and the other one % use 10-20 %!
Maybe we have to make a backup system of all our posts
to proof what we have posted....if the changes of comments is a normal activity for the Care2 team! I have seen that happen before...

I think that we should try to install a censorship/suspension task force!

Thursday May 8, 2008, 10:07 am
Dear Dennis!
The point is that i want to know what they delete! Thats all i have asked at the Feedback & suggestions group! I have never ever received a personal message from the Care2 team or the CEO but thats nothing new i know many friends who have waited for answers and did never receive any...Seems to be normal... Too busy playing big brother i guess...


If there would be a better system believe me i would not
try to improve Care2.. for what...? I know a few people who have nice
ECO sites but nothing that you can compare with Care2!
You can read that on my true activist group billboard!

If you write comments or note news the last thing that you want to see
is that they delete your work without any notification...
How should you learn from that...it would be very simple to change this...
The system is working for us and it would work for Care2 but they dont
want that...why because this way they have no discussion some people leave
and just a few like i want to know what comments have been removed!

Care2 the active members make it work....without all the activists the 9 million members would hardly make a difference....like the true activists know...petitons, news for the happy few....no 9.000.000 people here to sign not even 9.000 most signatures come from outside Care2 if a petition has realy many signatures....

Thursday May 8, 2008, 10:32 am

Many people have joined this site because they felt it would be an excellent place to meet others with like values and concerns. As such, they have formed friendships with other members, joined and/or started groups, initiated curative actions for deeply-felt causes, voiced opinions in good faith, etc. As such, they have embraced the site and encouraged others to join as well. This is how Care2 grew to millions of members.

Care2 has benefitted from this because these happy members also traverse the site, exposing themselves to advertisers, who pay to keep the site running. It's a symbiotic relationship -- and one that can only succeed if the owner and members are appreciated and respected.

When people with such a vested interest in a site they visit on a regular basis become unhappy with what they feel are unfair policies which disrespect them and/or inhibit their ability to be effective in their endeavors, one would think that the site owner would prefer open dialogue about their grievances, in order to implement changes acceptable to management as well as users.

Just as in the case of the Constitution, our forefathers understood that many changes would be necessary. Those amendments were made when people who loved the country, and wanted its original principles preserved, stood up and expressed those concerns.

Thursday May 8, 2008, 11:59 am
Dear Carole! Thank you!
Amen!
Lets hope that RANDY will follow you!

Thursday May 8, 2008, 12:37 pm
Poll taken and noted with thanks, Hans.

This censorship is definitely disturbing and a huge concern since it has been going on for so long with no solution seemingly in sight.

Thursday May 8, 2008, 1:00 pm
Wellllll darn......WHERE IS THE POLL???????????????

Went to the page where the poll chart page is but where are the questions that can be answered?????????????????

PLANT TREES FOR YOUR LIFE......

Thursday May 8, 2008, 5:57 pm
Found the poll but could not take it, just did not work , Hang in there !!

Thursday May 8, 2008, 9:34 pm

Thanks Hans. It's getting interesting. By the way, I have never seen you post inappropriate language. (But then again, I'm not really sure what Care2 considers inappropriate. Maybe if we were told when the comment or post is removed it would help.)

Thursday May 8, 2008, 9:40 pm

Funny, Marian. This is starting to look like the "Church Lady" in SNL! LOL!!!

Friday May 9, 2008, 12:54 am
If Care2 doesn't care about us, Dennis, then why do they provide their services at all?!?

Friday May 9, 2008, 4:43 am
Hi kathleen well thats a good question!
Since Care 2 is a for profit business there must be something they care about!

Friday May 9, 2008, 7:59 am
Poll taken.Something must change on Care2,and it's up to us to make that clear.Without freedom of speech,there is no point in trying to reach our goals on Care2.So Care2 better start showing they are in favour of democracy,before they loose more valuable activists.

Monday May 19, 2008, 7:28 am
Hi Hans could not take the poll!
But i can tell you that i have never seen anything from you that i would considder inappropriate! And i do think that they should allways give us the information about comments that they delete! Even Mussolini would check that out! Its important to keep the customer satisfied!

Monday May 19, 2008, 7:50 am
Kathleen R C2 is a setup by the NSA to keep and eye on dissidents. As well as getting information on you.

Care2 has excellant examples of where people have stated many of their likes and dislikes, this comes in useful when torturing people for information.

Care2 is clearly a Paid Opposition.
And if you don't go with the flow they ban you.

There is a member on these comments who has clearly broken C2 TOS agreement yet C2 did not ban them. WHY?
There can only be one answer They are a care2 asset, Care2 obviously does not care about real members with real concerns. Because they have their own team to push their own propaganda.
If everyone left Care2, Care2 would still run because they have a large amount of employees to make the site look busy. This is how dating sites work. Employees play the different parts of different profiles to make the site look busy.


If you are a care2 asset you are allowed to disinfo good articles,
attack other members with no represcussions, and on their word have someone banned, this is what the employees of Care2 can do on a whim

Hans I believe if you promote truth C2 bans you, so here's a tip as long as you lie they will love you here.

I give Care2 two more years before they become another waste space on the internet.

Every time they ban someone they are killing more of their credibility.
C2 treats us like we are stupid sheeple.

They have yet to feel the real power of the people.

I have found the best way to deal with Care2 is to play their game. Post articles, NEVER RESPOND TO COMMENTS and don't play their bullying childish games

Monday May 19, 2008, 8:04 am
Care2 does not have enough people....
Care2 would still run because they have a large amount of employees to make the site look busy. This is how dating sites work. Employees play the different parts of different profiles to make the site look busy.
Why do you think this site is looking busy? because you believe in the 9.000.000 profiles? There are no 9.000.000 members around here just watch: how many people sign petitions in Care2...maximum 1500-300
how many people note news maximum 250
how many people click 3000
how many people did you ever see in the friend so friends stats...that they have removed...95.000 was the highest number of friends of friends...
Why should there be more people...
Care2 is great dont we all love it? Its the best there is unless you have seen a better site to fight causes! I have not and i know how myspace, and facebook are they are no way able to help us fight our causes!
Thats why we must hope and pray that we are able to improve Care2!
Amen

Monday May 19, 2008, 9:20 am
Well darn again!!! I just posted a comment and it was removed and the article posted is gone too!!!!!

Hmmmmm......What is going on?????????


"Education is nothing more,
nor less, than learning to think!"
—Peter Facione

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.......

Monday May 19, 2008, 8:52 pm
Hurting A & Johann Z Your points are well taken!! I will stay as long as I can ... to maintain some contact with several truly good people, and, to still help folks learn new views, et al. Bette M, I feel your frustration~~~
Peace~