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Rural Kids, Parents Angry About Labor Dept. Rule Banning Farm Chores.


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Maui
- 1004 days ago - dailycaller.com
A proposal from the Obama administration to prevent children from doing farm chores has drawn plenty of criticism from rural-district members of Congress. But now it's attracting barbs from farm kids themselves.



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Maui Gal (68)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 7:20 am
So, the obama admiinistration would rather have these hard working kids that earn summer money to be sitting playing video games or out hanging about on the streets hoping a gang mob tweets them for the next convenience store to rob!!!! Unbelievable!!!
 

Sherry H. (64)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 7:37 am
Yes. Trying to make people more dependent on the gov't., will help him get people and our future generations to not notice that gov't is becoming more ruling and powerful. He wants them to learn the easy way out, without knowing there will be nothing easy about becoming dependent on gov't., where they would otherwise learn responsibility, integrity, fortitude, having in them what it takes to survive tough ordeals in life, or learn by their mistakes, be self reliant where possible, he wants an easily led bunch who won't know enough how to do and think and react on their own.
 

Elaine Al Meqdad (229)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 7:43 am
Noted! And yes, I believe that Obamananny would rather see these kids attend Saul Alinski seminars and learn rather how to blow up banks!
 

Nancy L. (141)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 8:06 am
Exactly Elaine. It's easier to brainwash kids who are dependent on the governent and that is key to their agenda.
 

Nancy L. (141)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 8:07 am
I grew up on a farm. And I thank God every day for that experience.
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 10:02 am
This is asinine! Every child should grow up on a farm to learn what WORK IS!!!
 

Cam V. (417)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 10:38 am
Just when you think you've heard it all .....
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 7:01 pm
All I can say about that worthless mass is he is really starting to push the buttons now when he gets this close to the heart land!! What a worthless piece of scum he is! All he knows how to do is Chicago thug BS!!
 

Naoko I. (259)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 10:03 pm
Kids of all ages, either of farmers or not, would learn much from working (I mean helping) on farms...Or children of parents who run grocery stores or small retail shops of any kind will be helping the family busineses...and what't wrong with it?!?! (of course unless they are really exploited or forced to work)
 

Betsy Bee (1017)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 10:05 pm
Populism is about getting government out of our daily lives.
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 10:40 pm
Thanks Naoko! Can't send a gree star but it's in my heart for you!! (((HUGS)))
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 10:41 pm
Thanks Green Bee!! (((HUGS)))
 

Jennifer Ward (40)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 4:51 am
Yeah- that's all we need- another group of fat assed 'entitled' little princes and princesses hanging arund the mall or sitting in front of the screens. Well done White House- not!
 

Jennifer Ward (40)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 4:54 am
Getting rid of the family farms and ready for the collectives?

Hmmm- very politbureau.
 

Maui Gal (68)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 5:10 am
Growing up on a farm is great experience, or spending summers on the farm too....that's what I did and I wouldn't trade those experiences for the world. Farmers take pride in their farms and livestock, which I am sure has been passed down from generation to generation.....now they want to stop all of that so these kids will want nothing to do with the farm and depend upon the govt. instead. Way too much govt. in our lives!!! It's time to STOP!!!!
 

Janice P. (52)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 7:15 am
I listened to this proposal being discussed on the radio a few weeks ago, and that discussion revealed some information not disclosed in this article.

First, children are NOT forbidden from working on their OWN family's land. This proposal would apply ONLY to children of the specified ages when they are employed on OTHER people's farms. The purpose is to enforce child safety for EMPLOYMENT situations ONLY. So, children will still be able to do their family farming chores, just as my father did. This proposal also would not interfere with the child's personal recreational activities, such as 4-H.

Second, some protections are necessary in order to prevent some of the very many serious and disabling accidents - some which have killed younger children - which occur in the course of performing farm employment. Using some farm equipment and performing some farming duties is VERY dangerous, and young, inexperienced, and unsupervised children's lives should not be put at risk in order to perform them. If children MUST be employed outside the family farm, to perform farming jobs for neighbors for companies and to help support the family, then they ought to be placed in safer positions, which will not risk their very lives. A child, who loses an arm or his/her legs in a farming accident cannot ever get back the life he/she would have had. A child, who is killed, in the performance of ANY job, is a loss beyond what we, as a society, should ever expect or tolerate. If regulations can prevent such tragedies, we ought to welcome them, regardless of under whose Administration they are proposed.
 

pam w. (190)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 8:10 am
Thanks, Janice, for a note of REASON AND INTELLIGENCE.

As usual, a few are attempting to politicize this issue. Why on EARTH would the government be involved in an issue which did NOT protect children from exploitation?

Realizing that many of you would cheerfully vote for Sarah Palin as opposed to Obama....I think I know your answer.
 

. (0)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 9:34 am
noted..just when I thought Obamination couldn't get more ridiculous...He does...
 

DORIS L. (61)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 9:35 am
Thank you Janice P. for gathering ALL the facts.
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 10:33 am
Janice..I see what you are saying and I also agree children on a farm need to be supervised...to a point...if children on a farm are taught and showed the proper safety measures there IMO will be way less accidents. There are accidents in every profession. Did they come up with any totals on accidents..I am assuming there are a tremendous amount of them for them to start being this concerned about this!? If their main idea for this is to stop ALL accidents from happening on a farm even for those children working on their own farm they are missing the point!! What they are doing this for will not stop accidents. Accidents happen because people do not take precautions.This is just another way in which Obama thinks he can take away one more little right and make it into a BIG issue.The man needs to stay the hell out of American families and their businesses. When I grew up on a farm I never knew anyone who lost their life on a farm and this was a big farming community..so what has happened since then!? Farms are less and bigger now and farmers always worked together back then too...this whole thing smells of control of the masses here to me. There is more information needed to come out on this in order for me to feel all of the facts are known..they are quite short of facts IMO!! And I grew up on a farm so I know what can or can not happen on a farm...I have nephews and cousins and the endless supply of farmers and I will definitely be asking them what they think of this new control issue! My guess is a bunch of politicians in their easy chairs that never spent a day farming in their life made up these laws!! That's like taking a gun out of the hands of a criminal and saying he will never kill again!!!
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 10:48 am
As usual, a few are attempting to politicize this issue. Why on EARTH would the government be involved in an issue which did NOT protect children from exploitation?

Realizing that many of you would cheerfully vote for Sarah Palin as opposed to Obama....I think I know your answer.

Pam..I will agree with you on a few are trying to politicize the issue...it's Obama and his cronies! Otherwise the issue would not even be brought up here! Want to make a bet there will not be some other ridiculous piece of legislation to control the masses coming out from him any time soon!? WHY on earth would the government be involved in the car industry or a LOT of other issues we have had a major problem with that he has stuck his nose in!?!? It's a reality Pam..he involves himself in MANY things that he has no right or business doing! And I would take Sarah Plain over Obama any day of the week!! It's a good thing that as friends you and I can agree on Obama that you love him and I detest the man!! :-)
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 10:58 am
The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.

Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”

“Prohibited places of employment,” a Department press release read, “would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.”

The new regulations, first proposed August 31 by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, would also revoke the government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course.

Rossie Blinson, a 21-year-old college student from Buis Creek, N.C., told The Daily Caller that the federal government’s plan will do far more harm than good.

“The main concern I have is that it would prevent kids from doing 4-H and FFA projects if they’re not at their parents’ house,” said Blinson.


No matter which way you say it..what they are doing here is trying to stop children who gorw up on the family farm from doing work!! It says NOTHING about "friends" of the family or "other" kids working on a family farm. I was in 4-H when I was a kid and we learned a lot from it, I also worked in the silo leveling silage, worked in the grain bin leveling grain I worked in a lot of what they are saying here and it never hurt me or killed me but it instilled in me a great work ethic!! I sue to cultivate the corn and rake the hay DRIVING a tractor!! Heaven forbid....and nothing happened to me because I was CAREFUL!! This is a clear case of government take over!!

Maui is there any petitions to stop this law from going further that you know of!?
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 3:32 pm
I have already seen comments on this elsewhere, approaching things from a different angle.

First, I should probably note that, at least according to the article, the family-exemption would apply only when the owner of the farm is the legal guardian of the child. The law would affect children who work on farms owned by uncles, aunts, grandparents, or whose families do not have full ownership of their land for whatever reason. That implies that this is s serious issue.

The other angle is that a lot of farmers aren't really in it for the money. With their competences, they can make more money elsewhere. Many are farming because they want to raise their families on the farm, working in that environment. If you take that out of the equation, the numbers of local farms in many places take a severe hit, and so does the supply of goods that are expensive to keep from going bad during transport, like milk. If you drive up the price of staple-foods, three guesses which economic group gets hit hardest. (Here's a hint: It's the one that spends the highest proportion of its income on staple-food.) I guess the current administration may be trying to turn wealth-inequality into an election-issue in more ways than one.
 

Maui Gal (68)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 4:28 pm
Stephen....thank you for a very informative post. Not only "we the people" will pay for it, but the harm it will do to so many kids who love working on the farms. Maybe the govt. will buy them all iphones so they can do a mob fest and rampage a convenience store....evidently that's what it's coming to.
 

Janice P. (52)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 4:34 pm
A very brief overview of the danger of farm work can be found at:

http://www.farmlaw.com/injury.html

This site describes farm work as some of the most dangerous of any work. I have heard on my state's news of children being injured and killed while engaging in farm work. Just because my father and others survived their farm experiences does not mean that we ought to not have greater protections for child farm laborers almost 100 years after my father was born. We have provided better protection for every other segment of our society within this time frame. Sadly, had such precautions been in place when my father was growing up, his youngest brother, Warren, would still be alive. Safety precautions do not necessarily equate with government control. In this case, I support it - and I am not an Obama fan.
 

Cam V. (417)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 5:18 pm
I grew up on a farm in Northern Alberta, Canada. No harder life but you know what? I loved it! There were five of us kids and we were all expected to help as soon as we could walk almost. It never seemed like hard work (following a sled and throwing rocks into it was great fun!). We had more adventures on that farm that we ever did after we left it and moved into the city.

The freedom you have on a farm is like nothing you will ever experience in your whole life! Were there dangers? I guess so but everything was a challenge not an obsticle and I have to say every one of us grew up with excellent work ethics. When you work for your family first you learn quick the value of a dollar. Could mean the difference between being able to buy butter for the bread your mother made or going without. Going without sucked.

Great story Maui!
 

Maui Gal (68)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 5:33 pm
I agree with you Cam 100%. Of course, there are farm accidents....but how about all the shootings going on in Chicago alone...how many teens have been shot in one weekend??? I would say the teens out on the street causing trouble are in greater risk than the hard working farm kids. So think about it....which would you rather for your kid.....I know what my answer is.
 

Maui Gal (68)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 6:07 pm
Govt backs off new limits on child labor on farms

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Under heavy pressure from farm groups, the Obama administration said Thursday it would drop an unpopular plan to prevent children from doing hazardous work on farms owned by anyone other than their parents.

The Labor Department said it is withdrawing proposed rules that would ban children younger than 16 from using most power-driven farm equipment, including tractors. The rules also would prevent those younger than 18 from working in feed lots, grain bins and stockyards.

more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FARM_LABOR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-04-26-19-44-56
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 7:35 pm
Well it's about time!!!! I can't believe how stupid a law this was in the first place. This would have created a major problem in this country!!!! Thanks for the update Maui!!
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 7:53 pm
Janice..I checked out that link and there wasn't really enough info there to substantiate all of the accidents they are talking about. Falling off of a tractor or combine I can see where this would create a death or serious injury. But so can driving a car. Power take off accidents can happen too if one is not careful..just like any other job around machinery where there are rules and restrictions. If one is not careful it makes no matter how many rules or safety measures a person has...an accident is going to happen! When I was a kid about 9 I think or around there my Dad was out emptying a load of corn into the corn bins and I just decided I was going to go out and help Dad. So I did....when I got there my Dad always wore ragedy jackets..he was not one to want to wear anything new when his old clothes he liked better. When I got out there his jacket had caught in the power take-off and he was motioning to me to shut the switch off which I did and it stopped the power take-off from wrapping my Dad up in it!! I will never forget that the rest of my life! Had I not gone out there we would have lost my Dad!! So yes I know accidents can happen! I have to ask...does the fact that your Dad's younger brother who was lost apparently in an accident on the farm help you decide to support this law? I think the percentages of young people lost in farming accidents per thousands isn't that huge..of course it's better if there is none!! A neighbor guy up the road from us was killed by his 3 wheeler turning over on him...a 3-wheeler!!!! I could hardly believe it but it happened! So it's not just machinery alone where accidents can happen on a farm.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday April 27, 2012, 2:23 am
Because the onus of bringing up kids has been taken out of parents hands - we can understand pretty much how kids are now on the streets, drinking, doing drugs, homeless, into robberies, stealing cars, bashing up elderly residents et al. Some parents are not all they should be but many do a fantastic job considering what they are up against. If only the pollies would keep their bloody noses out of what should be parenting business, we might see some great changes in ideals/morals in our young folk. Thanks Maui
 

Alet Coetzee (59)
Friday April 27, 2012, 4:08 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Carol K. (0)
Friday April 27, 2012, 6:33 am
I'm a city kid with no farm experience. I've seen children hit by cars, heard of others killed by stray gang bullets, one friend drowned at a favorite swimming pool. Shall we take motor vehicles off the city streets, close the pools? I'd vote for shutting down the gangs, however. Now I'm living close by rural farm country, and am convinced that the FFA and 4-H are eminently qualified to teach safety procedures to our kids. What this really is, IMO, is another long-range power-grab plan to create further dependence on an already obese government.
It isn't really for "the chillllldren" as Pres. Clinton's Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders used to emotionally pronounce when promulgating her controversial agenda, for who can oppose a child's well-being... (as defined by herself).
 

Janice P. (52)
Friday April 27, 2012, 7:15 am
Of COURSE my father's brother's death on the farm affects my perspective!

As I read through the comments here, it would seem that many of the contributors are thinking in black and white terms: kids can be either be killed by working on a farm or by street gang violence. That is NOT a rational alternative. Just because a child can be injured or killed by gang violence that does not mean that it is acceptable to subject him/her to UNWARRANTED risks in other venues. There are MANY choices available to parents, to teach their children responsibility and a good work ethic, without endangering them. DANGEROUS parts of farm work and gang violence are not the only two ways to teach children about life. In fact, street violence does not teach children about responsibility and work ethics. Parents need to protect their children from danger to life and limb as much as possible.

We have MANY restrictive laws, which intrude upon our individual liberty, including seat belt laws and mandatory auto insurance, all of which are basically imposed upon states' residents through the withholding federal highway funds if states do not comply. The most intrusive of any in my lifetime is the reprehensible Patriot Act, which effectively abrogates many of our basic constitutional protections. Many of those laws were passed under Conservative Administrations and at the insistence of conservative citizens. Some of those laws seek to protect life and limb; others to protect financial burdens. If we can protect the finances of motorists and insurance companies, we MOST CERTAINLY can - and should - protect our children. I will NEVER understand those who don't see a need to protect our children. I do NOT believe in coddling our kids, and I DO believe in instilling good values in them. There are ways to do that without endangering them. It is the parents' responsibility to find those ways. If all parents were to do that, there would be no need for government regulation. I think that some commenters have let their distaste for the current President get in the way of protecting children. We need to put reason before personal dislike.

Pam right. This issue has been politicized to the point of sacrificing our childrens' well being. I think that is a shame.
 

Lauren Kozen (161)
Friday April 27, 2012, 8:28 am
Noted. Thanks for posting.
 

John B. (122)
Friday April 27, 2012, 10:59 am
Update, April 26, 7:55 p.m.: Citing public outrage, the Department of Labor has withdrawn the controversial rulemaking proposal described in this article. Thanks for the posting Maui.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 27, 2012, 3:53 pm
Update, April 26, 7:55 p.m.: Citing public outrage, the Department of Labor has withdrawn the controversial rulemaking proposal described in this article.
 

Karen N. (33)
Friday April 27, 2012, 4:13 pm
Noted. Thanks for posting!
 

Sherry H. (64)
Friday April 27, 2012, 5:16 pm
Talk about dangerous jobs-ever watch Ax Men or Swamp People?! I'd rather my kid got training on a farm!
I agree with you Carol K. Obama keeps showing what he is all about, and now this is more evidence of what he has in mind if reelected. He showed his card once again.
 

Sherry H. (64)
Friday April 27, 2012, 5:18 pm
Mentioning dangerous jobs again-Deadliest Catch is another of the many I would consider more dangerous than farming.
 

Joy McR (138)
Friday April 27, 2012, 6:33 pm
Noted...Very interesting...
 

John Gregoire (265)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 5:42 am
It appears Obama pulled support from this. Farm kids learn work, responsibilty and life very early as compared to their urban counterparts and are better for it.
 

KS Goh (0)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 6:25 pm
Thanks for the article.
 

Roseann d. (178)
Monday April 30, 2012, 1:26 pm
Seems like yet another way for the USDA and other agencies to negate the family farm...although when Newt talks his crazy talk about child custodians...that also pisses me off.
 

Ingrid A. (532)
Wednesday May 2, 2012, 7:52 am
Nothing wrong working with animals. Thank you Carol. Its noted.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 2, 2012, 8:38 am
what can you expect from someone who's never done a hard days work?

What a bunch of FREAKS
 

gone Gone (19)
Monday May 7, 2012, 1:47 pm
Why doesn't Obama cut other things , like his speeches . A changeis coming down ladies and gentlemen , it may not be perfect but it sure can't be any worse.
 
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