Sunday July 27, 2008, 11:12 pm

This must stop.

Sunday July 27, 2008, 11:24 pm

I'll tell you one thing and that is we need to start stepping into massive civil disobedience.

Trying to get the media and the people and our reps to wake up to the insanity that has it's grip on us is not working.

The time for shutting down the war machine is WAY overdue and we can not just keep on the way we are because it's not working.

I feel we should still do all the emails and calls and visits and all that to our reps, but that should just be a small sliver of our efforts, the recruiting centers and the places that make the machinery for war and the shipyards must be made aware that we are sick of this and it is not going to continue like it is.

Monday July 28, 2008, 10:39 am
Totally unacceptable - but these 6500 per year won't count in the total of war dead, will they?
How can anyone talk of "winning" a war in which so many come out broken?

Tuesday July 29, 2008, 12:00 pm

It's these statistics, and the shameful treatment of returning veterans, that are not included in the "body count" of these wars.

Thanks for posting this, NotSilent!

Tuesday July 29, 2008, 12:11 pm

It is absolutely pitiful and should be the lead story on every news station DAILY along with front page on every paper DAILY.

We need flyers made with a just a few facts in BIG PRINT that we can print out and put up all over the place. They should also contain links so as to back up the facts for those that would argue.

I am going to make up something like that and one thing I'm going to do is go to recruiting centers around here and ask them if they tell recruits about this.

We need to start branching out and trying other things to wake people and everyone up, I know perfectly well everyone on here is working hard and I know some are wearing themselves down, but this war machine needs to be stopped, it is grinding people up and spitting them out all in the name of empire and profit and it must STOP !

When I get a flyer made, I'll put it on my page in case anyone wants to use it you can just copy it and print it out, if possible I'll have it both as a jpeg and a pdf, and also if anyone has an idea of exactly what it should say or it's layout, just let me know.

I probably won't have that on here till tonight (Monday July 29th).

Peace
NotSilent

Tuesday July 29, 2008, 1:48 pm

Obviously one thing we must do is impeachment Plenty of stuff you can do for impeachment is listed here http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=5103&pst=744610

Tuesday July 29, 2008, 2:03 pm

For troops:
Here are a few places you can go to find out about and get support or if you chose to go AWOL:Troops Resist:1)http://www.objector.org/girights/contact.htmlor The GI Rights Hotline (800) 394-9544 (510) 465-1472 (also international calls) Fax (510) 465-2459 Mailing Address: 405 14th Street, Suite #205 Oakland, CA 94612girights@objector.org 2)http://www.ivaw.org/activedutyresources3)http://www.couragetoresist.org4)And this movie is worth watching: http://www.sirnosir.com

Tuesday July 29, 2008, 3:12 pm
Our immediate family know the devestation of suicide, yet it is worse when it is caused by our government! I am working to some "lost" veterans be able to be more successful in college & employment -- especially these depressed ones who are getting gypped out of the benefits they were traumatized for!!!!!

Tuesday July 29, 2008, 3:24 pm
Sad and heartbreaking they put there life on the line, then come home feeling like no one cares for them or so much has happen to them they can't take it. This is so wrong Thanks NotSilent.

Tuesday July 29, 2008, 4:23 pm
Arielle,
this is an appropriate day (for Southern Californians)
for this, but the old saying goes,
"You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake".

NotSilent,
yeah, this is a horrible, tragic thing happening
with the suiciding soldiers, but, at the same time,
this is one of those stories that just doesn't surprise
me. I saw the headline up there, and thought, "Well, yeah,
THAT figures".
I absolutely HATE it when a war-related story like this
fails to muster any surprise in me! After more than 5 years
of this sh*t, I see myself getting slightly jaded and maybe
a little punch-drunk from EVERYTHING that's happened,
There are some days when I think I just can't absorb any more,
but still the news is like the old radio DJ's used to say:
"The hits just keep on comin'!".
How long, O Lord, how long?......
is this sh*t going to last?

Thanks, NotSilent.
noted.

Tuesday July 29, 2008, 4:35 pm
thats sad

Tuesday July 29, 2008, 10:45 pm
WHAT IS TRULY SAD IS THAT THIS NOT TOP "NOTED" ITEM YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!
peace~

Wednesday July 30, 2008, 1:00 am
Agreed, Kathleen!

Wednesday July 30, 2008, 2:34 am
Why am I under the impression that this whole country (US) is fast asleep - lulled into a fairytale make believe world of everlasting bliss painted in shades of pink slurfing ice cream shakes munching hot dogs and burgers ....... WHILE ALL THE TIME - OUT THERE - YOUR NEIGHBOURS' SON was sent to fight a war that posed no danger to him, you or his family. A war he has seen people killed - think about it - you can't even look at the pictures, but they have seen it up close - life - smell, sound, gore ... And when they come back they are expected to go back to the tranquil life of elevator music and happy thoughts .....

God Bless America and forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. They are killing their own.

Wednesday July 30, 2008, 2:36 am
NOT SILENT - I am glad you exist!

Kathleen, Tim I agree - This should be on the front page - but then this is not what people want to read. It makes them feel powerless I guess. And that is what I think is SAD

Wednesday July 30, 2008, 3:47 am

Thanks for doing what you can folks.

I don't really have time to leave much of a comment right now, just got back, never had time to make those flyers I mentioned, I was out last evening and got rear ended---I'm ok, and I'll get those made up after a few hours sleep.

Peace
NotSilent

Wednesday July 30, 2008, 4:12 am
http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

Above is a link from where you can down load fliers and other materials - hope this helps.

Wednesday July 30, 2008, 4:33 am
Young boys and girls dead for nothing can I know why??? thats sad dead wvery where war every where why the polition dont creat peace why they creat hate blood and war!!! they must live and we must live too why their life end and why our life end who is responsable for that!!!!!???

Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:51 am
Even the media wants to forget this war - I recently read that the news channels spend something like 108 minutes out of a possible 11,000 on anything war-related. As if we can pretend it doesn't exist if we simply don't talk about it.

Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:22 am

SENATE REPUBLICANS BLOCK EFFORT TO AID PARALYZED VETERANS
The bill, Advancing America's Priorities Act, was blocked by a 50-42 vote, short of the 60 votes need to overcome a filibuster. It was created in an effort to draw attention to Sen. Tom Coburn, a stalwart crusader for tightening the pursestrings of gove

Wednesday July 30, 2008, 12:08 pm
Tim said it for me. I, too, am tired...

TY, NotSilent.

Wednesday July 30, 2008, 4:27 pm
Stop loss has to be stopped as well.

Wednesday July 30, 2008, 4:29 pm
http://www.care2.com/news/member/853400806/813495
Canada has opted for six moth deployment only.

Thursday July 31, 2008, 12:36 am
Of those 5/day that commit suicide under the VA's 'care,' I wonder how many are diagnosed with PTSD.

Arielle,
Of course the government, including their 4th branch, do not want the war of terrorism to be talked about. They want it to be as normal & unnewsworthy as the war on the environment, the war on every other Earth species, and the war on the lower classes. If we don't talk about it, it's legitamized and beyond questioning.
Unspeakable torture is commited without reason against 'enemy combatants.' Well, yeah, we've already been doing it for many years on factory farms. You need someone whose soul is deaf to the cries of the tortured and murdered to do our 'interigations?' You don't need to look any further than our slaughterhouses.
They want to make war (if you can call it that) as normal as meat.

Saturday August 2, 2008, 10:55 pm
All we are saying is give peace a chance......thx truth!

Monday August 4, 2008, 1:51 pm
The so-called "body count" is a farce! These guys are not counted. Nor are the soldiers that die in Germany after being removed still alive from Iraq. The soldiers that continue to die at military hospitals are not counted either.4000 is a sick joke!!!

Monday August 4, 2008, 5:23 pm
It's no wonder. After what they have to endure in battle, the sights they see, and then they come home and their own government doesn't treat them right. They deserve so much more.

Saturday August 16, 2008, 6:56 pm
I imagine this is quite a relief to the present administration. After all, if they commit suicide they won't add to the growing statistics of combat verterans who need (but are not getting) medical care, social security, rehabilitation, employment, housing and all the other things they are owed by their country. Cheney must be thrilled at this neat expedient for reducing the cost of veterans' care and the growing shame of the numbers who have been betrayed by their government.

Sunday August 17, 2008, 8:58 pm
This tragic statistic will seem deminimous in comparison to the end-count from Depleted Uranium...sadly!! DU has the potential of killing millions for countless years in the future. These so-called "leaders" are monsters behind a cloak of deception. Your right Sara, BIG relief to the murderers!! Thanks NotSilent.

Sunday August 24, 2008, 4:02 pm
This is a GOOD Time to REMEMBER this:
The Military contributions of those serving in our Government.....
DEMOCRATS:
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71. * David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan.1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,Vietnam. Paraplegic from war injuries Served in congress.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve' 79-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* John Murtha - Decorated Veteran. Vietnam.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze, Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57.
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam.
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star.
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953.
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
REPUBLICANS: -- and these are the guys SENDING PEOPLE TO WAR:
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach Busness..
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve. (Bush's Machiavelli).
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Badknee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve. Neocon warhawk.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve. Neocon warhawk
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U..S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role - making grade b-d movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit,Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Remember how the Bush campaign trashed him in the Republican primaries in 2000?
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFLfor 8 years as quarterback. (Win one for the Gipper!!)
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base. (Our gift from Austria)
Pundits & Preachers :
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'ilonidalcyst.' Huh?
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)
PEACE,
KATHLEENR/ANGELFAITH
~THE ANGEL POWER EMPORIUM~