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Parents of Ill Vegan Girl May Face Police

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A 12-YEAR-OLD girl in Scotland brought up by her parents on a strict vegan diet has been admitted to hospital with a degenerative bone condition said to have left her with the spine of an 80-year-old woman.

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Sandra Carr (57)
Sunday June 8, 2008, 1:08 pm
Children should not be vegans!!

Louise H (100)
Sunday June 8, 2008, 1:47 pm
Here is a quote from a doctor who is a nutrition expert:

A vegan diet does not cause rickets. The natural source of vitamin D is sun exposure on the skin. When sunlight is inadequate, as it may be for individuals who stay indoors most of the time or who live at extremes of latitude, supplementation is important. Foods are not good vitamin D sources. The vitamin D sometimes added to milk is not adequate. There is some vitamin D in oily fish, but the amount of fish one would have to eat for vitamin D adequacy is rather heroic. When sun is not part of one’s routine, supplements are key, and that is true for vegans, ovolactovegetarians, and meat-eaters alike.

When a meat-eater’s children are neglected, it doesn’t make news. But when a family following an out-of-the-ordinary diet has a problem, the diet is often blamed. In some cases, families who are, in fact, neglecting their children try to cover their neglect by pretending to be following a vegan diet, a raw diet, or something else. However, a well-planned vegan diet does not cause health problems and is far superior to an omnivorous diet.

Having said that, vegans should always endeavor to be good examples. That means being sure to take vitamin B12. This is not optional. It also means being sure to include calcium-rich green leafy vegetables and beans in one’s routine and skipping the greasy sugary foods that can erase some of their edge over meat-eaters.

PCRM provides detailed nutrition information at

and if you want to do more research there are many healthy vegans in the U.S. who have raised healthy vegan children...Let me know if you need more information. My own children were raised vegetarian and today they are healthy 41 and 44 year olds!!


Louise H (100)
Sunday June 8, 2008, 2:18 pm
Here is another link to raising healthy vegan babies.
There is plenty of information out there today, so no excuse for anyone neglecting their children for any reason at all.

Christine Eret (0)
Sunday June 8, 2008, 4:18 pm
Children do need to eat a healthy diet, including milk and other products that have the vitahims that they need.

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 8, 2008, 4:38 pm
Actually you can and should feed children vegetarian food, theres absolutely NO risk in it whatsoever milk must only come from the mother nowhere else. Soy milk should be limited to small amounts it is very strong for them as children, too much gives them the windy pops and takes time to digest. A meat diet is the dumest thing you can do as it carries all the risks of food poisoning regardless of what some say.
The vitamins and minerals are obtained from the mothers milk, the veggie foods aid this as well. Dont be so easily fooled by the concern of vitamins and minerals jargon. They say all sorts of lies to keep you buying their stuff not to meantion they dont know bugger all what they say. Veggie food has enough reqirements nessesary.

Louise H (100)
Sunday June 8, 2008, 4:48 pm
soy milk is fortified to have nutrient levels similar to cow’s milk. Unlike cow’s milk, it is low in saturated fats and cholesterol. Although the calcium in soy milk is not absorbed as easily as cow’s milk, tests show that calcium levels in people who drink soy milk are maintained even with their lower calcium intake. Children older than one year of age can safely switch from breast milk to soy milk.

Margaret Trainor (61)
Sunday June 8, 2008, 4:55 pm
Yes but these parents are following a vegan diet ...not a vegetarian diet. Therefore they need to be ever more dilligent to ensure vit B12 and proteins are in ample supply in their diet as this is what keeps humans alive and healthy...especially children.

Fran Takacs (84)
Sunday June 8, 2008, 5:35 pm
There is nothing wrong with raising moral, vegan children. I do know a couple who has brought up their daughter as a vegan, and she is the picture of health. They see a nutritionist at times, ewspecailly when there was a notorious case here in metro Atlanta, GA. about a vegan couple who tried raing baby on nothing but soymilk and applejuice. They are now spending life sentences, but NOT bea=cause they are vegan, because they are morons. How many meat eaters out there starve their own kids nutritionally by raisong them on fast food? French Fries for dinner, chicken nuggets, yech! As long as people understand the supplements neede, and follow good nutrition, no problem. I have never felt better since I became vegan, and detoxed my body from the trash they put in meat and milk. Look at the obesity problems with children today, and how young should a mother be? Eleven? They look 20, growth hormones in the food. Why do you think a 4 month old animal is so big when it is killed? That is the approximate age of the average chicken and opig when killed for human consumption. And if you think cows milk has plenty of calcium, why do almost all of dairy cows get osteoporosis at about age 5 when they are sent to slaughter?

Jaclin S (230)
Sunday June 8, 2008, 5:42 pm
This is so SAD!!! Parents may eat however the wish but they MUST see that their children are given the best of nourishments possible - whether they like it or no!!! [they being the parents] Parent have a MORAL OBLIGATION to their children - children do not ask to be born - ergo they must be given the very best of everything that is possible. I see this as NEGLIGENCE on the parents part and my heart is so sad for this poor young girl. Calcium is necessary for good healthy bone structure for everyone.
Parents CHOICES are their RIGHT but they MUST NOT FORCE THOSE CHOICES on their children!!! I see this as a shameful sad neglect of their child - and how will that child be in later life??? A certain amount of meat is necessary in a child's diet to make them strong. We all have our opinions and many will disagree with me - that's fine - we can agree to disagree - but the irrefutable evidence is laying there in the hospital from lack of good healthy food!!!

Margaret Trainor (61)
Sunday June 8, 2008, 5:50 pm
Fran I agree with what you are saying ..and your friends sound like they are doing all of the right things. Many people cannot afford to consult with a nutritionist...and this is where many run into trouble.My problem with this case is this was a 12 year old child so these parents should have noticed something terrible was wrong. This child would have been very lethargic and generally unresponsive...

Past Member (0)
Monday June 9, 2008, 1:30 pm
i agree that parents should make sure to the best of there ability that there children get a balanced diet ,i also agree being a vegan is a choice ,one which a child is too young to understand , if the child grows up and makes a desision to become a vegan fair enough but dont make that dession for them ,i also thnik every which one to there own and respect other people in what they chose to do , i just think its unfair to make a desision for your child just because its what you want

Jill P (64)
Tuesday June 10, 2008, 12:57 pm
Read the article again folks! They NEVER said that the vegan diet was the direct cause of the girl's illness. Even the nutritionist did not want to be named. They, and the media just wanted to take advantage of the situation and slant it against vegans.
If the parents were meat eaters they would have been sighted for negligence. They wre engligent with thier daughter's nutritional needs or it could be other forms of neglect as well. Her doctor and teachers never noticed over the years. If she was not getting a proper diet since birth she would not have lived this long. Because her parents had her on a vegan diet everyone has to get excited. The evils of a healthy diet. People fight it so hard because they might have to give up their flesh food that tastes so good.
People react to this because they are so ignorant about diets. When people don't understand something they attack it.
I have a visual impairment and for a while I had a job where I worked with such ignorant morons, at a school, where they said I should not be working with children. I was a safety hazard. "What if there is a bee hive and you don't see it and a child gets stung?" It's my fault because of my vision. I asked what if it happened to them? They told me it would just be an accident. They ignored the fact that for over twenty years I worked for the parks department running summer camp for kids, and leading canoe trips out on the Bay. NO ONE EVER got hurt, adults or children. Two days later a child was stung AND allergic to stings. We had to call an ambulance. It was NOT my fault. The child was under the supervision of the moron who suggested that stupid bee sting scenario. My point is something taht is just a stupid, unfortunate accident suddenly becomes a crime because I have a disability. That only happens because people are so incredibly ignorant and NEVER bother to educate themselves. They dont' understand something so they attack it at every opportunity.
Well, as a bilogist, I like to look at what animals do. We have removed ourselves so far from normal living we are built to live that we don't know which way is up anymore. So...
First of all, humans are the ONLY animal that continues to drink milk after weaning. So that makes it obvious right there drinking milk is NOT a necessity as adults. No other mammal does it. Once weaned intelligent animals drink water. Even meat eaters like wolves.
Now, check out your teeth. Now look at your dogs teeth. Your dog is a carnivore. You are not. You do NOT have teeth for ripping and tearing meat. You are closer to cow teeth. You have teeth for grinding. Yes, you have canines. Not very good ones, but you have them. What do other primates eat? Leaves, berries,..rarely do they eat meat. Chimps are opportunistic omnivores. If it happens to die in front of them they'll eat meat, and some ocasionally snack on ants. Their bones are fine.
Also, the other cases in the article of child neglect never said they were neglected because they were vegan. The article described the parents as vegan and said the parents were charged with abuse because they STARVED their children. Being vegan does not mean starvation. Not starvation.
The media and doctors took a very unfortunately common, case of child abuse and neglect and instead of focusing on the actual crime, they went on a witch hunt after vegans. They must have stock in meat and dairy industries.
It is a shame because they just took the focus away from the real issue, child abuse. Again where were all the doctors and teachers the last 12 years? They were not negligent?
Also, you do not need a nutritionist for a vegan diet anymore than you need one for a meat diet. I took a class before I went vegetarian. I bought inot all the lies about the dangers of a vegetarian diet and how you really have to know what you are doing. By the end of the semester I asked the professor "What do I need to eat to stay healthy. I need it broken down to what to eat to make up for the dairy and meat and protein. Something like the four foods group." He said eat a variety of things and eat until you are full. I am vegan since that class because afte learning about the health hazards of meat AND dairy I gave up dairy too. Vegans don't have triple bypass surgery. I have been on the diet for over 20 years now. I'm not dead yet!

Katie S (79)
Wednesday June 11, 2008, 3:15 am
Please check out this response article titled 'Is Veganism Child Abuse?'


Carl Nielsen (7)
Thursday June 12, 2008, 2:51 pm
Man is an OMNIVORE, so deliberately refusing to eat meat is UNNATURAL.

Other primates like chimps', gorillas and orangutans will not just kill dead animals they find, but also actively hunt and kill animals.

The only reason a Vagan lifestyle is possible is great wealth supporting a life far from nature, where one can have foods from all over the globe transported to where you live and you have to take great care to eat what you need in order not to get sick and die.
People who eat a varied diet including meat on the other hand don't have to be so careful.

Lots of kids are being diagnosed with malnutrition in wealthy nations because their ignorant parents listen to all sorts of stupid ideas about whats supposed to be healthy instaed of feeding the kids what has proven to work well for milenia. E.g. babies are supposed to be fat.

If a vegatarian diet is supposed to be so healthy, then how come the vegetarians at my job are more on sick leave than those who aren't ?

Louise H (100)
Thursday June 12, 2008, 3:41 pm
The British Medical Association (BMA) was first to shed light on the many benefits of a vegetarian diet in a 1986 report. Based on a large volume of research, it concluded that vegetarians not only tend to have lower cholesterol, but also significantly reduced instances of coronary heart disease, obesity, high blood pressure, certain types of cancers, gall stones and large intestine disorders.

Beginning in 1983, the China study, looked at 6,500 participants over the course of several years, documenting their dietary habits, lifestyles and health. This comprehensive study was a combined effort of the Chinese, United Kingdom and United States. The first results were made public in 1989, and were unequivocal. The less meat consumed, the lower the risk of developing common chronic diseases as noted above. The study also debunked the Western myth of promoting meat as a necessary source of iron. Among the largely vegetarian-based diets of the Chinese, the average vegetarian had twice the iron intake of the average U.S. citizen.

The highly respected World Health Organization (WHO) offered their own findings on vegetarian and vegan diets in a 1991 report. WHO not only confirmed the results of the BMA and the China study, but also found that meat and dairy-rich diets promote other diseases as well, including osteoporosis or low bone density, and kidney failure. WHO went so far as to predict the cancer crisis the world now faces, based on the meat-rich dietary trends of Western nations. The report candidly faulted governments for public Dietary Guidelines that promote meat and dairy as necessary foods, urging more vegetarian-based policies where animal products are relegated to optional status.

Another organization to weigh in on the matter of vegetarian and vegan diets was the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). This group consists of some 5,000 U.S. doctors, including the editor for The American Journal of Cardiology, William Roberts. Criticized by some as biased for their humane ethics, the PCRM reviewed over 100 published studies from around the world. It confirmed that significantly lower disease rates are directly linked to vegetarian and vegan diets. In their 1995 report, the PCRM urged the U.S. government to update dietary policies to reflect these findings. In 1996, government policies addressed this for the first time, stating that a vegetarian diet is healthy, meets Recommended Daily Allowances, and does not lack protein.

About the same time as the previous studies were being conducted, The Oxford study was underway. Gathering data over a period that spanned an excess of 13 years and involved over 11,000 people, it not only confirmed lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, cancer and other diseases among vegetarians, but also found a 20% decrease in premature mortality rates. Simply put, if you eat a vegetarian or vegan diet, you have a 20% better chance of living longer than if you eat meat, according to the study.

The positive findings of vegetarian and vegan diets are also echoed by the American Dietetic Association (ADA), which ranks among the list of proponents. The ADA is one of the most highly respected advisory boards worldwide.
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