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Propaganda and Islam: What You're Not Being Told


Society & Culture  (tags: media, misinformation, fear-mongering, Islam, Christianity )

Evelyn
- 1141 days ago - anonhq.com
Media image of Islam as death cult isn't remotely representative of the Islamic population of the world. Are there Muslims who employ terrorism? Of course. Are there Christians who employ terrorism? Of course.There are even Buddhists who employ terrorism



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. (0)
Monday June 1, 2015, 2:27 am
And media image of fascist atrocities is/wasn't remotely representative of the German population, was it?

Very probably media representation of Ebola isn't totally accurate, too.

Nevertheless, such sicknesses simply ought to be 1) kept from spreading and 2) eradicated completely and for good.

 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 1, 2015, 6:48 am
A typical Islamic Dawah promotion.

Counting fighters of ISIS, and ignoring Al-Queda, Boko Haram, Hamas, Hesbola, Chechen Army and who knows how many else Islamist terror militias.

While counting militants, the article omits the huge number of sponsors to these militias, and lots of non-militant supporters.

FInally, it tries to put Christianity and Islam on equal footing, even though Jesus did not have relations with girls nine years old and did not rape wives of slain enemies, unlike Mohammed.

Religious doctrines taking examples of their leaders cannot be more different. The followers may do and did in the past things they like, but modern Christiani leaders never condone such crimes.
 

Evelyn B (61)
Monday June 1, 2015, 7:55 am
The usual spew - carefully overlooking that child marriage is also allowed in Judaic family law - and more recently than the time of the Prophet was commonly practiced. Reflecting examples of the misinformation discussed in the article ....

There are cultures where formal marriage is not automatically tied to consummation of marriage. This is the case in many Islamic communities: there are 2 parts to marriage, increasingly often combined but not always. Although various Sunni & Shia Family Laws allow early marriage, this does not means that early marriage is commonly practiced .... it is not. Yet again, throwing phrases around with intent to mislead - or perhaps from ignorance due to selected sources of (mis)information by someone who confuses "invitation" with proselytising .... or worse, with forced conversion .... because (s)he doesn't check carefully the reliability of sources, and won't trust any information except if endorsed by preferred sources.

All true religions are on equal footing - it is what mankind does to twist the core principles that changes their values. When one makes an effort to learn more, really understand, about what core teachings are, there is so much that is common to different religions. Equal, but different.

Prime examples of modern "Christian" leaders who have condoned - even encouraged - war crimes, include Hitler, Slobodan Milošević, Tuđman , Radovan Karadžić, Ratko Mladić ....

But using labels based on their religion is racist. Just as identifying the monstruous Russian commissar L. Kaganovich primarily as Jewish is done with racist intent ... He'd have been a monster whatever his religion ...

Child marriage is a cultural practice - fortunately, one that is dying out. It is found in places following different religions, and is usually linked to poverty & lack of access to adequate education services. (For example, it is still quite widespread in Ethiopia - a Christian country.) But recognition that the roots are cultural rather than "Muslim" doesn't suit those trying to justify their racism.
 

Evelyn B (61)
Monday June 1, 2015, 7:59 am
Do you realise that there is a Jewish school in London that has now taken a position that children whose mothers drive them to school will not be admitted ..... their community considers that good Jewish mothers should not drive .... Shades of Saudi Arabia ...
And further proof how close Judaism and Islam can be, depending on the leadership!!
 

Carol R (11)
Monday June 1, 2015, 8:06 am
Great article Evelyn, thanks.
 

Fiona Ogilvie (565)
Monday June 1, 2015, 5:46 pm
I agree with Carol. This is a great article. I will share on fb and twitter. Thanks.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 1:24 am
Shared on facebook and twittersphere.

The Press/Media machine doing its job. . .
 

Lona G (77)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 6:31 am
Excellent article, Evelyn, thanks for posting.
 

Louise D (44)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 10:51 am
Interesting article and is at least a bit of balance over the anti-islamic posts that have been on the site for the last few days. Mostly with figures that are little more than argumentum ex culo, the only thing that I actually agreed with them is that pan-Arab nationalism was influenced by Nazism even though the article was a rambling piece which bordered on Godwin's law. Well, it does cover most of the Fox News talking points on Islam at least they were reasonably quiet as they were too busy with their less than subtle contempt for Bruce Jenner's gender reassignment.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 2:35 pm
Thanks
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 10:05 pm
Evelyn,

Israeli law is not based on details of Judaic law. The age for marriage in Israel is 18 years old, not 9, or 12.

If Mohammed's acts were not given as examples of behavior for all future generations to repeat, and lots of Muslims did not follow them precisely, nobody would care much what that man did long time ago.

Unfortunately, this concept of following Mohammed steps gives religious aspect to many wrong customs. This goes to terrorism, child marriage, slavery and other well-known bad practices we all know about.

You should read what the true Islamic scholars say before you start defending Islam no matter what.

Because at the end of the day they have credential to define what Islam really is, and not you.

 

Evelyn B (61)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 1:03 am
Israel is a political state, following mainly political Zionism. It is only this year (2015) that the Marriage Law has been ammended to a minimum age of 18 for both males and females - and exceptions are still possible.

Judaic Law gives a minimum age of 12 for girls and 13 for boys, exceptions being possible in the case of girls, Torah law allows younger marriage for girls - with betrothal at birth and marriage at age 3 (Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 37:1.) - which is younger than any Muslim Family Law. However (as with Muslim traditions), this does not mean that the marriage can be consummated immediately.

In 2011, there was a concerted effort by some Hassidic communities in Israel to lower the age of marriage - their arguments being that this would curtail cases of rape - and also, as stated by Rabbi Asher Idan of The Lobby for Jewish Values and Director of Jerusalem-based Kol HaNa'ar: "Parents of large families who cannot financially support all their children would be able to marry off their daughter earlier so that she can move into her husband's house,"

The legal minimum age of marriage is not a guideline to the average age of marriage. As with Islam, the religious marriage ritual is a formal 2-step process, nowadays often combined as one since in practice the bride and groom have almost always reached an age to consent.

Check your facts more carefully before attacking.

And check also more carefully before you decide who YOU, hater of Islam, consider to be "true Islamic scholars". Your judgement might well be very faulty ...

 

pam w (139)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 8:14 am
Religion ruins EVERYTHING.
 

Bryan S (105)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 4:33 pm
Great article Evelyn, thanks. It certainly is disheartening when you think of the people who are more interested in demonizing another group of people than they are concerned with fostering peace.

Besides refusing to look at Islam objectively, the demonizers refuse to look at the role the West has played in bringing about fanatical groups and their ability to get support. Can you imagine the groups of violent extremists that would gain support in the US if, say, a Muslim nation were to prop up a hated government here, or even overthrow elected leaders?

I think this refusal to be objective is because these people are rigid fundamentalists themeselves, with no real desire for peace. That said, i have no problem criticizing Islam, and tend to agree with Pam W., but there's a way to be honest about things and work towards peace or a way to bring more hatred and conflict.
 

Evelyn B (61)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 5:08 pm
I'd be more inclined to blame "intitutionalised religion" than religion per se!

As I see things: People structure the interpretations they promote in their religious institution .... and the structuring reflects their values and their power systems ... often at the expense of core principles underlying the religion! Which is how we have so many different "churches" all claiming to be Christian ... yet ready to fight each other & kill in the name of their particular teachings ... Same with Islam, with the broad Sunni/Shia divisions, and multiple lesser sub divisions. Same with Judaism, with different degrees of "Orthodoxy" & different principles/ priorities.

And if one could scrape away the "power games" & the institutional differences, one would find the the core values & principles differ little irrespective of official Religion ... in fact, one also finds the core prinicples underpinning the spiritual values (for want of a better description) across traditional beliefs around the world ... tailored to the physical & environmental context ... Basically, much more in common than the power leaders would have us believe ...

What's that saying? "Divide and Rule"?

So if the leaders and those who invest in the institutions would stop manipulating, most ordinary people could and would find ways of working towards peace. Especially if there were a concerted effort to help promote understanding and mutual respect, to overcome instinctive fear of the unknown, of what one doesn't understand ...

But I admit, that's my personal conviction! Not that of institutions, their unconditional supporters, or of our "great leaders"!!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:14 pm
Evelyn, you seem not to get it:

Israeli law is not based on details of Judaic law. The age for marriage in Israel is 18 years old, not 9, or 12. It was raised from 17 to 18. No matter what the Judaic law says. Girls at 12 cannot get married in Israel, period.

And the main thing: "If Mohammed's acts were not given as examples of behavior for all future generations to repeat, and lots of Muslims did not follow them precisely, nobody would care much what that man did long time ago. "

Islam teaches Muslims to follow in Mohammed steps, but the steps are really bad, from a modern point of view. That's why Islam is in the mess.

You will have hard time teaching non-Muslims to start liking public stoning or beheading.
 

Bryan S (105)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 8:48 pm
Evelyn, i very much agree that there is a big difference between religious institiutions and people's spiritual beliefs. But to me, the term 'religion' most often means an entrenched belief system / power structure that ends up going against the core principals. So of course it depends on how things are defined, and then there's really big differences in different organizations called religions, even (or mostly) within the same tradition, as you point out.

It's the core principles of course that should trump individual perspectives, pejudices, desires, etc, but instead, most often it seems that religion is something used to strengthen power structures and individual/group biases. So that's why i tend to say i'm against it.

And i agree that it is the manipulators, for whatever ends, who cause the problems. Yes, imagine what a difference it would make if the leaders explained the truth of our shared experience, instead of using the fact that different systems exist as a way to drive us away from truth. But i'd also say that anyone who professes to follow a spiritual path should quickly reject such "leaders". Anyway, i agree with what you're saying!

 

Bryan S (105)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 8:50 pm
Bob, you're something else. Yeah, all those Muslims around the world supporting stoning and beheading. Jeez.

And like i said, you'll never consider the political events that cause extremists (anywhere) to gain support.
 

Evelyn B (61)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 11:30 pm
Bryan - a cascade of stars due! ******************************
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 5, 2015, 1:55 pm
Bryan, remove politics from discussion.

When Koran says do it (stoning, beheading, etc), and Koran is holy, Mohammed did it - and everyone has to follow Mohammed, how can Muslims not to be obedient to it? Islam means "obedience" after all.

Which other options did you find for Muslms, provided they remain practicing Muslims?

I did not hear about Humanistic Islam, or Reform Islam, or Feministic Islam. Did you?
 

Evelyn B (61)
Friday June 5, 2015, 9:34 pm
Bryan's view isn't coloured by racism & preconceptions of any one religion being intrinsically wrong and sick ...

And one cannot separate politics from religion .... because religious institutions structure how people approach their religious community, and that involves power (of the leaders) over the followers of that particular sect/ religious group - which isn't necessarily in agreement with other groups under a same overal religious label.

I can't say I've heard of Humanistic Christianity, or Humanistic Judaism, or Humanistic Buddhism or Reform Christianity, or Reform Judaism, or Reform Buddhism or Feministic Christianity, or Feministic Judaism, or Feministic Buddhism, either.

But I've heard of - and met humanist Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists. And I've met reformist Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists. And I've met feminist Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists
 
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