Thursday May 21, 2009, 1:29 pm
They are now reporting that Mother & Son have been spotted at the Mexican border.

Thursday May 21, 2009, 7:26 pm
It is said they she was heading to a Tijuana clinic..to get the Gerson Method..I hope not..I hope they find them before it is too late for this young child..
Thanks Chrissy..
Sadly noted...

Friday May 22, 2009, 2:10 am
What is this Gerson Method?

Friday May 22, 2009, 2:32 am
Gerson Therapy was developed by Dr. Max Gerson (1881-1959) and is based on the belief that "toxins" cause diseases such as diabetes and cancer and that these "toxins" can be eliminated from the body by a diet rich in fruits, vegetables, and coffee enemas. He believed that "cancer was a symptom of a diseased, polluted body in which tumors form when the liver, pancreas and other organs are out of balance, and reasoned that animal and dairy products and other chemicals must be banned. The coffee enemas are used to strip the gut of harmful bacteria and pollutants, but specialists argue they often lead to other problems such as dehydration."* Most scientists today agree that eating fruits and vegetables is good for you. Few recommend the large quantities of juices used in Gerson Therapy.

Tijuana (The Baja Nutri Care Clinic). (The treatment is illegal in the U.S.) The cost--about $15,000 for three weeks of treatment--is prohibitive for most folks. Yet, dying people can be desperate"

Friday May 22, 2009, 3:37 am
Like you say Dee, desparate people will do desperate things .... my friend Esther dx with Breast Cancer, then refused treatment after her mastectomy .... she asked if they could see any cancer and they said no, it was too small if it was there .... and she went on a route very similar to this. She also had all her amalgam fillings removed, had epsom salt baths and twice weekly IV Vit C injections ... plus a huge array of herbs. She didn't need to change her diet as she ... her own words .... has always been a health freak. Not only is the cancer back, but back with a vengeance. pelis, liver, lymph and lungs. NOW she is having chemo, but of course it is basically palliative ... and she will tell you that.

Friday May 22, 2009, 5:34 am
Desparate people accept chemotherapy believing it will cure them most die from this treatment 7.5 million people a year so Ive read . I personally cant ignore those figures. I think that chemotherapy has alot to answer for.

Friday May 22, 2009, 7:57 am
ummmmmmmmmmm JEANETTE HARVESTPLANET .....7.5 mill. is the number of people taken by cancer a year ......now i have 3 members of my family who had chemo and all are alive ........i have known people who took the natural path and are now dead ....all of them and it took them during their treatment .......its basically a snake ooil scam .....sooooooooo i think i am in support of chemo ........

Friday May 22, 2009, 10:46 am
I don't think I would call the Gerson treatment snake oil but chemo has a proven record. I hate to see the court order people to undergo procedures or take medicines but I agree that it is needed and I hope it does not get abused like everything else the gov does. Cancer detection, treatment and prevention continues to improve each year and may become a thing of the past real soon.

Friday May 22, 2009, 11:46 am
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=10544&pst=1297431

More on this story and the fallacy that chemo 'cures' everyone, and that natural health kills all who try it, which is the conclusion I would reach by reading the above posts.

Why not research it all a little bit further than just listening to fear generating stories?

Friday May 22, 2009, 11:49 am
I also know a lot of people who took chemo and all of them died.. after a long, painful, suffering...

Out of those who had the big C and who chose to go the natural route, they are all alive...

You always find what you are looking for, (especially) if you have made up your mind ahead of time.

Friday May 22, 2009, 11:56 am
Chrissy, it is almost never a good idea to go off on some hair brained nature method, without validation that it is working (or not) as the case may be, with medical tests. Medical testing is valid and can find whether a tumor is growing or shrinking. Obviously, this lady did not ever test anything, and relied 100% on what she was doing..

Even a simple pregnancy test could have told her what she needed to know.

Not doing testing, re testing and monitoring progress is a recipe and sure fire method to go down the wrong road, every time, no matter what path one is following.

A combination of some medical (testing) and scientifically proven natural protocols is a nice marriage of two different branches of medicine. However, it is not easy, as the medical system we have is a monopoly that actively conspires and FORCES people in many cases to do chemo, radiation and surgery, no matter what...

The above case is an example of how it works.. and how patients in this system have no choices, but are forced into a monopolistic, money grabbing, high profit system that often hurts more than it helps..

Have you seen an acupuncturist, herbalist, homeopath or any other natural health expert in any clinic hospital lately?

Friday May 22, 2009, 4:15 pm
If this boy dies she should be charged with murder

no religion or sect is worth risking your child's life for.

i would do anything I possible could to save my children & family

Friday May 22, 2009, 5:41 pm
Hodgkin Lymphoma can be cured if Daniel receive the proper treatment.His mum should let her son have the treatment beside the holistic therapy. She should have consulted her son's oncologist.In Holland it's possible to have both therapy with approval of your specialist.This to avoid problems like these.

Friday May 22, 2009, 8:40 pm
Jeanette Harvestplanet, chemo does at times have a lot to answer for, but so do those telling people that no chemo is the way to go.

Both Jeanette and Eric, sadly, I have first hand knowledge of both cancer (esophageal) and chemo. All I can say is "Thank heavens" for my surgeon who removed my cancer. I can say quite categorically that I would not be alive if it were not for my surgery and follow up chemo. I say this knowing full well that there will be retorts of "how do you know?". My primary tumour was at the gastric junction and I was at the stage where very little food was able to pass. Yes, I lost 1/2 my stomach and 1/2 my esophagus and yes, I did endure ... and endure it was ... chemo (due to 15 of 30 lymph nodes removed having cancer). yes, I did also use alternative treatments as 'complimentary" and now 14 months since surgery, I am here to my life, be it for another 12 months or 12 years ... I am a glass half full person. Complimentary is the way to go and as for Drs NOT ALLOWING you to engage in alternative treatments while undergoing traditional medicine, what a crock. The Dr works FOR YOU! I can understand if they are against totally alternative, especially if the particular type of cancer has a high remission rate.

I think people are "led astray" by saying "..... has cancer". cancer is a blanket name for over 200 different diseases and what works for breast (which by the way would have been my cancer of choice, as it has a very high remission rate), doesn't work for lung and what works for lung, doesn't work for esophageal and so on and so forth.

Eric, esther DID have all the testing that she was supposed to have, but chose to believe what she wanted to. Even when the first secondary (met) was found in her neck, she refused chemo and insisted that she could make it shrink. sadly, she couldn't and the rest id history.

Saturday May 23, 2009, 12:46 am
Therein lies much of the problem, Chrissy. You're absolutely right. I once knew a gentleman, a talented opera singer, who developed a huge cancerous tumor on his face. He asked his doctor how long he would live without chemotherapy, and the doctor replied, "About 30 to 60 days." My friend said, "And how long would I live WITH chemotherapy?" And the doctor replied, "About 30 to 60 days." So my friend told the doctor that he was going to beat this - and he went to a natural health spa, taking herbs based in Native American traditions. Within that period fo 30 to 60 days, he woke up with no pain in his face - and now, ten years later, he is still cancer-free and looking and feeling great.

However, I'm not against chemotherapy, or radiation therapy, or whatever. There are cancers and there are cancers, and chemotherapy isn't what it was ten years ago. More research has been done, and there is more knowledge as to what kind of therapy works best for different cancers. And there is still so much more to be learned. I don't care for health fanatics or prejudiced empirical doctors who pooh-pooh ANY cancer treatments that have track records that show that they work. I call for more research - provided that the research is not done on innocent animals. Tissue cultures do very well, as well as observation of human beings who have beaten cancer or any other serious illness with ANY sort of treatment.

I'm not a doctor, of course, but I have had two friends who died of cancer. Both had been health nuts for all their lives. One died while concentrating mainly on conventional treatments, and another refused anything but herbal medicines. I feel that cancer prevention is the best way to go, but for those who still slip between the cracks, they should try to find out which treatment would be best for them.

Saturday May 23, 2009, 3:53 am
I have to agree with Eric. Having had family in the medical field for years I can tell you that a great deal of doctors don't let their own family take chemo! What bothers me a great deal about this whole situation is big brother forcing people to take the route doctors say is the only way! Telling you what you can and can not do with your own kids is not acceptable in my book!

There was a kid in TX not long ago that was pefectly able to decide if he wanted chemo or not. He did not because he was so sick! They took him away from his parents! Here is one article;
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474976767026

The fact is that most medicines come from natural sources and they are synthesized so they can be patented. Reseach Graviola for one thing!
http://www.rain-tree.com/graviola.htm
I think that is one thing the cancer treatment centers of american uses. I now a neighbor I used to have cured her cancer from that place using natural things!

Sometimes people probably do have to combine natural and medical treatments but to disregard natural things is not very bright in my book. Even the Bible says God put every herb here for every sickness.

Saturday May 23, 2009, 10:13 am
"There have been no well-controlled studies published in the available medical literature that show the Gerson therapy is effective in treating cancer.

In a recent review of the medical literature, researchers from the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center identified 7 human studies of Gerson therapy that have been published or presented at medical conferences. None of them were randomized controlled studies. One study was a retrospective review conducted by the Gerson Research Organization. They reported that survival rates were higher than would normally be expected for patients with melanoma, colorectal cancer and ovarian cancer who were treated with surgery and Gerson therapy, but they did not provide statistics to support the results. Other studies have been small, had inconclusive results, or have been plagued by other problems (such as a large percentage of patients not completing the study), making it impossible to draw firm conclusions about the effectiveness of treatment."

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Gerson_Therapy.asp?sitearea=ETO

Saturday May 23, 2009, 10:29 am
And what Chrissy is saying is so very correct. The results any patient will get from any treatment will depend on the specific condition, the specific patient, and the specific treatment.

My father responded very well to chemo for his skin cancer - and has remained in remission and in good health for about seven years now. With my grandmother, the chemo given to her for her lung cancer wasn't to try and put her into remission (since she was told upfront that it would not change her terminal status), but it did shrink the tumor and reduce her pain significantly, which was the intended goal. And the side effects were milder than the pain she had been enduring from the larger tumor, so she achieved her goal.

There is no one-size-fits-all answer to anything in this regard. Use what is known scientifically to work best. And add in any complementary therapies that may help, so long as it's done under the care of your primary treating physician.

Saturday May 23, 2009, 7:25 pm
Even if you took three women with breast cancer..each one is as different as day and night..as is the treatment for it..
Most all clinics and hospitals right here in the united states..today do indeed work with alternative treatments..An oncologist may make a recommendation based on his/her examination..test results..And it is untrue that everyone of them will recommend chem/radiation..
In my sisters case..(breast cancer) following her surgery.. they advised her not to have it..She is undergoing a clinical trial..part of it is alternative methods..along with tradition drugs..but no chemo..no rad..

Chemo does not kill anyone..cancer does..Cancer is such a complex disease as with many diseases..but everyday they are learning more..Are these methods pleasant..hell no..but not at all as it was years ago...

I have 3 different types of cancer..had surgery..chemo..radiation..you name it I have done it..I also have had alternative..but where that failed.. you better believe I did what I needed to do..like it or not..And had it not been for the chemo and other methods..I would not be here babbling today..

Most of the stats you find listed under those that survived all natural..is never complete nor totally honest..
For one..most do not do a follow up on patients..does not state type/stage/..and most that do..have been found to be fraudulent..

Listen I am all for as natural as it gets..I am in total agreement that our diet play a part..certainly not to the extent that some take it to..but yes all of those are important..But if you have an aggressive cancer..714X just is not going to cut it..nor is any particular diet..And anyone who tells you any different is not an honest person..

Eric you said.."You always find what you are looking for, (especially) if you have made up your mind ahead of time."

I will dispute that..When someone has cancer..there is no set mind on anything..the only set mind is for survival..We want to live and above all to live well..

But back to topic on this mother who has no right to decide that religion and or "her fear" are above the importance of wellness of her child..

Saturday May 23, 2009, 7:26 pm
And we're very glad, Dee, that you're "here babbling today"!

I hope things continue to go well for you medically.

Saturday May 23, 2009, 7:30 pm
Aww Thank you..Lindsey..that was very kind and thoughtful of you to say..((hug))

Tuesday May 26, 2009, 3:50 pm
It's funny, NO ONE is asking what the child in question wants. I know I will probably take A LOT of heat for this, but what does he want for himself? Could this mother have been trying to protect her son's wishes??? I know, I know, "a child that age isn't capable of making that kind of decision for himself". Well now it's all a moot point as they have returned and he will be FORCED to undergo the "medically necessary" poisoning that will supposedly save his life. I read that someone thought the mother should go up on murder charges if her son dies. If the son gets chemo and his immune system becomes highly compromised then contracts the new strain of swine flu and dies from complications from chemo induced weak immune system, WHO'S TO BLAME THEN??? I know, lets just chalk it up to an act of GOD!

Tuesday May 26, 2009, 5:27 pm
I wouldn't give you or anyone heat for saying that Wendy..We should talk to our children..in a reasonable and rationale way..and..age appropriate of course..and we should give them their voice always..however..one should also consider that this is still a very young child..What young child ever willingly want to go through something so serious..and difficult..So as a parent..we do have to make decisions for our children;s best interest quite often..
But at the very least we should never ever put fear into a child..and this is a part of what happened to this child..One being told chemo would kill him..two putting religion above health..a sin if he received any chemo..
And then just think..being whisked away in the night..fleeing to goodness knows where..away from your home..your Father..friends..and hiding out as if you were a criminal..if that didn't stress and frighten this child to death..I just don't know..

I don't believe it is an act of any God anytime..ever whether one lives or dies..that is left in our own hands..and or those we live among..

I am just glad the child has been returned..and now I think we all should just hope for the best for him and his family..I'm hoping for his wellness..

Tuesday May 26, 2009, 7:07 pm
"NEW ULM, Minn. (AP) — A mother who took her son out of state because he refused court-ordered chemotherapy for his cancer told a judge Tuesday she now believes the treatment is necessary to save his life. The judge then ruled Daniel Hauser can stay with his parents.

Thirteen-year-old Daniel has Hodgkin's lymphoma that an oncologist who examined him Monday said has significantly worsened. Daniel and his mother, Colleen Hauser, missed a court appearance last week and left the state to seek alternative treatments. But both his parents told the judge they now understand their son needs chemotherapy and will set aside their religious objections to it."

http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?ps=1011&rip_id=%3CD98E57401%40news.ap.org%3E&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCLM_UNEWS