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Reagan: The Great American Socialist


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Americans, government, republicans, democrats, GOP, media, obama, rich, poor, middle class, reagan, tax cuts, socialism, income tax, jobs, budget, economy, health care, green energy, education )

Tom
- 1936 days ago - truthout.org
Socialism has been in the news for months. Some GOP stalwarts charged President Obama with preaching the heresy. John Boehner, the House minority leader, said Obama's stimulus package was, "one big down payment on a new American socialist experiment."



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Brsd B. (0)
Sunday March 22, 2009, 1:05 pm
As much as I still disagree with Reagan's policies, he remains the idol of the GOP and was a hugely popular president while serving. He made no bones about his intentions, yet America flocked to the polls to reelect the man that approved the sale of drugs in America to get arms to sell to Iran to secure the release of Americans that was tabled until after his election (and arms to support CIA supported rebels in their war against a popular and elected Niceraguan government). If we got just exactly what was promised, tell me how we blame anybody but ourselves. This is a country populated by "Dittoheads" and other such blind partisanship. We have no time for critical thought. We sheepishly follow our herders. We base our opinions on "talking points" and catch phrases supplied to us by others. None of this general apathy began with the Reagan years. I'm not quite old enough to know exactly when it did. But I do know this. By virtue of our willingness to let this be a country whose path is chosen by corporate and polital sloganeers, we've gotten exactly what we deserve. If you want to see a villian in all of this, look in a mirror. I do.
 

Kit B. (277)
Sunday March 22, 2009, 2:01 pm
The continued manipulation of the tax system by each new administration is but one reason I support the Fair Tax. Reagan actually believed that by using the culimative wealth of the poor and middle class to support the wealthy and corporations, America would thrive has it had not before. George HW Bush was correct in calling this sham "voodoo economics" that it is finally dyeing a much deserved death is a healthy sign. It is a false premise to say that the country did well or has done well under this economic guise. Rather we suffered through economic bubbles every ten years, felt almost entirely by the middle and lower classes. It is not and has not been the exclusive realm of the wealthy and corporations that support this or any country it is the workers. The workers build and maintain the economy the good and services and of course the infrastructure. Americans have forgotten this and in the process have elevated a political hack into a demigod. I think President Obama is making an effort to reverse the unhealthy affects of this long and wholly negative policy to aid our country in her recovery. This current situation is the cumulative effect of so many years of so called "trickle down" policies, which trickled down to few and through the lack of regulation encouraged many into the poor business practices we see today.

Why do mention the Fair Tax? Because any government attempting to supply any services must have a dependable tax base, whether you personally believe that should be limited to only the military or should include all services even medical care. It does not have any exemptions for any thing. It is a 23% sales tax to be levied at point of sale, this will apply to everyone whether a citizen or not, engaged in illegal activities or not. We currently pay far more in taxation then most believe or choose to consider. Indeed we pay for the cost of corporate taxation in the price at retail purchase. If those taxes were done away with then the price of all items would come down, even if only by 23% being charged in taxes. Property taxation is in the realm of states and counties and not the Federal government, I can see no reason why the property tax must be as high as it is, as mine increases [yearly] far beyond the current (or past) increase in value the of my property. Currently Texas assess a 7.25% sales tax and does a very poor job of reconciling where or how that money is used, still we are unable to provide the basic service that every government is charged to provide. The misuse of funds and abrogation of public responsibility is inherent in the ever increasing tax burden with out transparency. All taxes based on income are an abuse of the system and the good will of the citizens, any level tax create by politicians for the use of Congress can and will be increased. So far all of the level taxes do have exemptions of one kind of another. Should you and I both have the same yearly income but you have more exemptions I will pay the greater tax assessment. Just a few moments at the web-site and even the most concerned citizens can see that the[Fair Tax] tax is levied in fair way and does in fact allow for the poorer citizens in the form of a monthly prebate. By not considering this we stay locked into a system that is corrupt, has no transparency and does not nor will it tax fairly. Since we are rebuilding our economy on the basis of more equatable system, it just makes good sense to begin with a fair tax system

www.fairtax.org/

 

Ralph F. (64)
Sunday March 22, 2009, 2:57 pm
Twisted logic category:
Socialism for the rich = Corporate welfare (good, patriotic, business as usual)
Socialism for the average citizen = Government spending (evil, anti-American, an aberration)
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 22, 2009, 3:01 pm
Oh, yes, I remember that stupid "trickle down economy" theory. Where the rich got richer and the middle-class and the poor got nothing (sound familiar, that's McCain's theory too). Well, problem was, it didn't work. Interest rates to buy a house were 16-18%, to buy a car were 15-14%. And that's with excellent credit. People voted for him because he was like everybody's grampa. He was likable, but he was no economist.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 22, 2009, 5:51 pm
reaganomics was nothing more than a pyramid scheme. Those who supported it and still look at reagan as a visionary are finally dying off, Thank God!. Future generations will question the gullibility and integrity of "that" generation and wonder why reagan's madness was accepted as leadership ability. I'm sure that when the last reaganite dies, reagan's body will be removed from his crypt, a stake driven into his heart, then his rotting corpse sent to a toxic landfill. Only then will the darkest period in America's history finally come to an end.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Sunday March 22, 2009, 6:22 pm
Every single RepubliCON who took office cut benefits for old people and children FIRST ... then the rest of the social policies and benefits were cut ...

RepubliCON$ have always been fi$cally irre$pon$ible
 

Robert P. (3)
Monday March 23, 2009, 7:34 am
23% sales tax hits the lower income people first that sounds really fair to me. Income tax in a graduated scale makes a bit more sense..unless you're just selfish, because if you make a lot you pay a bit more to live in the society that allows you to make that much by supporting the infrastructure for your business.
The so called fair tax as I have read it looks as much voodoo economics as runnyrayguns drizzlin s_t on the poor and middle class. Oh and the 'death tax' aka estate tax does not really kick in until in the millions of dollars range , ostensibly to keep us from having to suffer under financial aristocrats as in past feudal societies, too bad they have managed tax dodges that still give us the Marie Antoinettes. Tumbrel anyone?
 
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