Monday November 9, 2009, 10:54 am
No!

The real puppetmasters all have Israeli passports and AIPAC is the group that politicians pray to.

"The Best Congress AIPAC Can Buy"
Many Americans who thought that the health care debate was important must have wondered where their congressmen were in early August during the first two weeks of the House of Representatives recess. It turns out they were not hosting town hall meetings or listening to constituents because many of them were in Israel together with their spouses on a trip paid for by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). Fully 13% of the entire US House of Representatives, 56 members, traveled to Israel in the largest AIPAC-sponsored fact-finding visit by American politicians ever conducted. And the leaders of the two congressional groups, 25 Republicans for a week starting on August 2nd followed by 31 Democrats beginning on August 13th, were drawn from the top ranks of their respective parties. House Minority whip Eric Cantor headed the Republican group and House Majority leader Steny Hoyer led the Democrats.

Cantor and Hoyer are longtime enthusiasts for Israel and all its works. In January, when Israel was pounding Gaza to rubble and killing over a thousand civilians, Hoyer and Cantor wrote an op-ed entitled "A Defensive War," which began with "During this difficult war in the Gaza Strip, we stand with Israel." Why? Because "Instead of building roads, bridges, schools and industry, Hamas and other terrorists wasted millions turning Gaza into an armory." Hoyer and Cantor, clearly noticing a militarization of the Gaza Strip that no else quite picked up on, also affirmed that Israel occupied the moral high ground in the conflict, "While Israel targets military combatants, Hamas aims to kill as many civilians as possible." That Hoyer and Cantor were completely wrong on this vital point as well as others, in fact reversing the truth, has never resulted in an apology or a correction of the record from either lawmaker. "

see the rest : http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2009/09/02/the-best-congress-aipac-can-buy/

Monday November 9, 2009, 11:00 am
I would have thought Catholic bishops wouldn't have been nearly fundamentalist enough to be responsible for the rabid self righteousness and medieval attitudes displayed by the last couple of US administrations.
I believe many fundamentalist christians in the US would have women in burquas and disenfranshised etc. in the blink of an eye if they thought they could get away with it.

Monday November 9, 2009, 11:06 am
The Vatican has been a huge influence on our Government for years mostly regarding womens issues on the negative. They influenced the Stupak Amendment. After everything I have been readoing on these issues I am convinced that the Vatican not ALL Catholics Hate women and want us to remain us property only!
Where is the seperation of church and state? How are we going to stop these religious extremist from controlling our Gov. and womens lives?

Monday November 9, 2009, 12:43 pm
Let us never forget the ill will the Vatican has for women, and women's reproductive right. During three hundred years of the witch hysteriak the Vatican burned at the stake nine million women and charge the children or other relatives of these women for the wood to burn them.

Monday November 9, 2009, 1:08 pm
the vatican has no right to tell governments what to do i'm irish and they ran the government here for many years conterception and divorce were against the law its changed now but they ruled with an iron fist

Monday November 9, 2009, 1:15 pm
I am sick and tired of BIG religions trying to shove their ideas and ways down my throat. Where is the seperation of church and state? They went too far with this, and it's none of their business. We don't run to the Vatican and tell them what to do....or if we did, they would use the Inquestion again. They were masters at tortoure. STAY OUT OF OUR COUNTRY AND RULE YOUR OWN. Our woman are smart enough to make their own decisons without your help.

Monday November 9, 2009, 2:56 pm
They like to think they are so powerful.
So do several faith based-tax-free-jockeys.

Judy Cross, you are amazing.

Monday November 9, 2009, 3:05 pm

The brainchild of a zealous and devout New England Congregationalist, Anthony Comstock,
the Comstock Act (17 Stat. 599) was passed after little debate in March 1873,
in the last days of Ulysses S. Grant's first term as president.

Beginning in the 1800s, laws in the United States prohibited birth control, when temperance and anti-vice groups advocated outlawing birth control devices and information about birth control devices. These groups considered birth control information to be obscene, a belief that was popular enough that in 1873, Congress passed the Comstock Act outlawing the dissemination of birth control devices or information through the mail.

Most states followed suit by passing their own laws outlawing the advertising, sale, and distribution, of contraception.

Not until;
A 1965 landmark Supreme Court decision further eroded these laws sanctioning birth control. In Griswold v. Connecticut, the Court addressed the prosecution of a Planned Parenthood executive director charged with violating a Connecticut state law that prohibited the distribution of contraceptives, information about contraceptives, and prohibited the possession of contraceptives. The Court found that although the U.S. Constitution does not explicitly offer a right to privacy, that right can be inferred from the language in various sections of the Bill of Rights. The Constitution therefore does contain what the Court called a "zone of privacy." Connecticut's statute violated that zone of privacy in the realm of marriage because it permitted police officers to search the bedroom of a married couple for evidence of contraception. The Court deemed this action to be overly intrusive and an unconstitutional violation of the right to marital privacy,

Monday November 9, 2009, 3:52 pm
The US Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) apparently is running the US government, aided by a cadre of "faith-based advocacy groups," the House Democratic leadership, the White House and members of the Senate.

What ever happened to separation of Church and State.....there was a reason for that. But like every other thing in this Country our Rights have no meaning anymore.

Monday November 9, 2009, 6:34 pm
Come on gang....no one denies the Vatican has influence, but it is second tier now. It has support from Christian Fundies on birth control and women's issues. but not much influence on foreign policy. The Church has been a handmaid of imperialism since it was made the state religion of Rome under Constantine.

It follows rather than leads imperial policy. Israel on the other hand dictates to Washington.


WASHINGTON, Mar 22 (IPS) - The pro-Israel lobby in the United States has manipulated Washington's policies in the Middle East to the point where it is the U.S. that does most of the fighting, dying and rebuilding while Israel reaps most of the security benefits, argues a new study by two U.S. scholars.

"This situation has no equal in American political history," says the 83-page study, "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy".

"Why has the United States been willing to set aside its own security and that of many of its allies in order to advance the interests of another state?" ask authors John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt of the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.

The answer, according to the paper, which is already stirring debate in academic circles and fury among pro-Israel groups, is the influence of the pro-Israel lobby.

These groups include the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organisations, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, the Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy, and more recently, Christian Zionist organisations.

A shorter version of the study was published in the London Review of Books on Mar. 10. The authors say their research is so strong that they doubt that any U.S. mainstream publication would dare publish it. "
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=32599

Monday November 9, 2009, 6:44 pm
Newsflash: the Democratic party is being infiltrated with conservative evangelists! People this is scary stuff. We need to revolt!!! Religious cults like the old white boys on C street. Just saw this on Rachel Maddow on MSNBC. It is not just the Vatican. What is happening in this country? I think the old men are scared of women taking over the world! Just my opinion. They are doing everything in their overwhelming power to play womens bodies like footballs. This womans' body is no football for any monster to mess with. I will die first before they take any of my few rights away!!!

Monday November 9, 2009, 6:47 pm
IS THE POPE A JEW?

Separation of church and state is nothing more than a bad joke!...Why do sooooooooo many Americans believe that religion is the answer to everything, when in fact it is the road to destruction for the millions of "misinformed" sheeple?...Do nothing to help your fellow man, expect nothing in return!

"I am religious"[?], I am anti-abortion, I am anti-healthcare for all, I am Pro-war????

Monday November 9, 2009, 7:51 pm
Israel is a country. The US does not send the Vatican aid money.

" AIPAC, or the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, describes itself as the most important organization affecting the U.S. relationship with Israel. With a budget of $65 million, and membership now standing at over 100,000, it is no wonder that congressional staffers consider it one of the most powerful and effective lobbies on Capitol Hill.

Once a year, AIPAC holds its annual conference in Washington DC. This May it was attended by over 5,000 participants. Its annual policy conference is one of Washington’s largest gatherings of lawmakers, topped only by the President’s State of the Union address. Guests this year included two-thirds of the House, half the Senate, and Vice President Richard Cheney.

Only rarely is a critical word uttered among politicians regarding AIPAC and its associates that support unjust and aggressive (and disastrous) U.S. policies toward the peoples of the Middle East. We aim to change that.

For too long, policies that support Israeli militarism and occupation have gone unchallenged. Political voices raising even minor disagreements with prevailing policies are silenced or subject to campaigns of intimidation. We must open the door to full debate regarding U.S. relationship with Israel and U.S. policy with other countries in the region.

These pages will examine how AIPAC and related institutions (usually collectively known as the "Israel Lobby") support a dangerous status quo, including AIPAC's support for U.S. military aid to Israel, which amounts to over $3 billion per year. We will examine its support for even the worst of Israeli policies, and its support for further U.S. military action in the region. "

I've never heard tell of a Roman Catholic organization that compares to AIPAC.

Monday November 9, 2009, 8:23 pm
Despite Judy C rabid anti-Israeli hate and fear mongering, that to me is just guano crazy , and the anti-Pope, Bishops, Catholic Church sentiment, the anti-Catholic Church hierarchy is at least some what closer to the truth, they completely miss the mark. Stupak and Pitts are both members of 'The Family', Stupak fairly new and Pitts one of the hierarchy, you remember 'the Family" brought out into the light of day by Gov. Stanford and Senator John Ensign with their ultra family morals and ultra loose zippers, an ultra- secrative conservative 'Christian' group, who's political role models include Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot, that uses money and political power as a prayer suppliment, and believes that the personal wealth and political power of their members gives them instant forgiveness for anything up to and including murder. Stupak and Pitts were joined by more than a dozen known 'Family ' members, and an unknown number of still unknown members of the group, in threatening to vote against the House bill if this misogynistic amendment was not added and the still voted against it. The 'Family' has members in both parties, and their members inf the Democratic party is but part of the growing cancer of conservative Evangelicals in the Democartic party, mostly as Blue Dog, aka closet Repugnican, Dems. The Family it might also be noted has stong ties to some of the most oppressive govermants in the world, including Uganda and its new Death Penalty for just about anything remotely homosexual.

Monday November 9, 2009, 9:43 pm
Excuse me, Lloyd H, .....rabid hate mongering? I didn't say that the Roman Church was a bunch of goody two shoes.Given the pedophile scandals, that would be impossible, even if I were so inclined.

What I attempted to point out is that there are bigger crooks in place now, whose allegiance is not to the Vatican but to Tel Aviv..

Frankly, given your reaction, methinks those who pretend that the RC still wields the power it had in the past are trying to send people off in the wrong direction when they look for today's villains.

The Romans have nobody in place who can compare to White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, proud son of an Irgun terrorist and Obama’s chief minder.

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 1:38 am
Before doing of war dance of moral condemnation the Church should consider the words of our Lord Jesus Christ " Let the those without sin ast the first stone". The stone throwers hand's have covered up many instances of sexual abuse within their own remit! Such moral pronouncements from the clergy of the, do as I say rather than as I do, are hypocritical. Consider the dilemma of the young girl in the confessional; "Forgive me Father for I have committed two sins, I have had an abortion because I allowed one of your colleagues to rape me!" Healthcare should be available to all by virtue of need not moral judgement! There those that have stated "healthcare should not be available to those who have made a choice" whatever that means. Taken to it's logical conclusion that would disbar healthcare to smokers, passive smokers, drivers of vehicles who have an accident, people who work and suffer an industrial disease, soldiers, firemen, police officers who suffer injury because of there hazardous work etc etc! The list would be almost endless and arbitrarly discriminatory, most sane people would think it daft! To those that would propagate religious unity you might want to remember Jesus was an Orthodox Jew who also features in the Islamic tradition. Christ, if his reported ministry is to be relied on would have had a far more enlightened approach to healthcare in line with his compassionate humanity! Evidenced by his restoration of the soldiers ear when St Peter chopped it off in anger! Catholicism regards St Peter as the first Pope so it could be argued that the papacy does indeed have a Jewish element! However the compassion and forgiveness of Jesus apears to have slipped out of the religiuos equation! Indeed I wonder if many Christian Churches would recognise Christ if he arrived today especially if he was astride a Harley or Triumph with his long hair flowing behind or driving a truck, much in the same way as the Jews lost their Messiah 2000 years ago! They did not recognise him the! Healthcare is something that should be available to all on the basis of need not morality, religious affiliation or belief! Judge not lest ye be judged!

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 3:30 am
Bishops do not rule the rooooost... just differeing opinions from two different groups of people.. some of us just see through the looking glass differently... abortion is a contentious and personal matter... we to must not condemn, as I agree with Chris' comment he who is without sin let him cast the first stone.. nn of us can cast that stone... but we can strive to live a more moral life and there would be less abortion... but for rape and other cases... lets put ourselves in their shoes before we comment... Jesus to loved the sinner, and he mentioned... those that are sick need the doctor.. he came for such as those...

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 7:28 am
I do not see any pro-lifers doing anything or saying anything about the unborn in Iraq who are born and will be born with birth defects from depleted Uranium. Nor do I see or hear them speaking out for the Native American children who were never born because of forced sterilization of the women,nor those pregnant women who are abused,raped, or any other of the list of atrocities that happen to women and children around the world.I do not hear the Catholic Bishops condemning the slaughter of children around the world or apologizing for their long history of slaughter or changing their Doctrine of Discovery which allowed much killing to be done in their name.. I do not hear about the Jewish folks in power in Israel reaching out to help the children in Gaza or in any other country for that matter.(They just like to buy America's weapons of mass destruction)
Right to life folks seem to be very selective over whose life has a right to live and very silent on many other things in the world that affect the unborn and those that are born. they only seem to be concerned about life for the most part in the womb of a selected few and seem to lose interest in their well being after they are born.Other wise they would be wanting a single payer health care option and they would be the first to condemn these war mongers in the world. Children around the world would not live in war zones or die from hunger ect. Those who want to control women's bodies are just a modern day version of the those that have always kept control over women. Not to mention the fact they are all liars and bonafide Hypocrites---they prove it daily. But lying for our "good" is OK isn't it??? We elect them anyway don't we??. The end justifies the means because it's all about whose God is great isn't it. This has always gone on. Now we just get to see what has really been happening all along instead of the propaganda we have always been fed and believed. Welcome to the TRUTH.Now that you know it... Be the change you wish to see in the world and keep on doing what U are doing to spread the awareness... ladies and gents.. U are awesome and I am proud to know U.

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 7:35 am
I cannot exonerate the Catholic Church, or the non-Catholic "family values" (HA) crowd. However, they attain inroads to the U.S. political process only because our legislators permit them to do so. We need term limits for legislators and tightening of campaign finance legislation.

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 7:37 am
Like a friend says "it is like a pressure cooker getting ready to explode". The truth is unvailing itself slowly but surely. They must take us all for fools they can push around. Over my dead body.

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 7:47 am
Hypocrites!! Nuns burried babies in cement walls, priests sexually abusing little boys. Boys most likely a preference because they can not get pregnant. Yet they will excommunicate a 14 year old girl for getting pregnant by a molestor and needing to terminate it to save her own life. One can not remove a splinter from their brother/sisters eye, until they remove the log from their own. For the record, Yahshua was liberal. No one is forced to love God only through man made traditions or religious corporate law. And yes, of course, religion and politics since the beginning have gone hand in hand. Tax them all!! Yet Yahshua did make comment on big brother does not tax his friend yet the stranger, food for thought.

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 10:03 am
Are not a great many of these comments rather off the point. Is not the main issue behind all the various smokescreens simply whether or not the cost of abortion should be borne by the general public or solely by the woman wanting the treatment? That is hardly an ecclesiastical or even a women's rights matter; merely one of basic commosense. Why should anybody but the woman who engaged in sexual intercourse merely for fun expect others to foot the resultant bill? Make her pay for her sordid entertainment. Rape or genuine medical crisis are entirely different matters and need a more sympathetic consideration.

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 10:15 am
I am not Catholic, and am not defending these bishops' opinion, however I am defending their right to voice their opinion. It bothers me when people use the inaccurate "Separation of Church and State" argument. First there is no such "clause" in the US Constitution. Second their right to voice their opinion on this issue is in fact protected by another clause that was used to make a successful "separation" argument in the courts before. This argument was properly made concerning government PROMOTING religion not listening to opinions from religious people. See US Constitution Article (I): Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 10:18 am
Lionel your comment is extremely sexist. The woman did not get pregnant alone remember biology class? It is funny that men who are conrolling our bodies in the Gov. do not want any responsiblity after the deed is done. Your comment is very typical of the problem that exists world wide since he beginning of time. It is all her fault always, always, blame the woman for everything and punish us for everything as well by taking are only basic right of controlling what hapens to our bodies no one elses. This country picks and choses who will die and who won't. I don't want to pay for your wars anymore with my taxes because war kills. What do say about that????

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 10:40 am
You are right Lionel, I do not want to pay for reckless consentual play gone bad, just like I feel VIAGRA and all male stimulation/enhancement drugs should be out of pocket only. While we are at it, it should be reduced to be only prescribed at male clinics who only specialize in the male reproductive organs. The problem I do have is that at this moment pregnancies from rape, child sexual abuse, and genuine medical crisises are not on the table. And it was the pope himself who liked Obama except for his pro choice views, but was willing to "educate" our prisident personally. The constitution is only words, meaningless unless actually acted upon, certianly the individual people of church establishments have little to no pull, but that has little to with the governments of both church and state being intertwined, like wall street, medical, and insurance companies they are powerful lobbyists.

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 11:37 am
I think the ONLY think they wish to run is our souls. Nothing more, nothing less.

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 1:00 pm
I am not off topic when I speak to the motivation behind the acts. The thought processes that would allow funds for abortion or not to be paid for by public monies all come from a persons belief system usually religious though not always. I mean this is how the pro abortion - anti-abortion thing became an issue isn't it -a differing of God rules beliefs. I do not like where much of my tax dollars are spent,(Wars) nor am I for abortion -however I do not like the fact that others get to dictate to a woman about her own reproduction rights or not. The assumption that we are paying for abortions because some woman was "loose" or "ignorant" is insulting to women everywhere. (for the men..what no condoms were available?) "Loose and ignorant" is a small portion of those women that get abortions. Most "loose and ignorant women" have those babies on public dollars. Also crap happens and often Birth Control fails. So let me see if I understand U folks correctly here. No funds of urs for abortion.. well do you mind taking care of the child if and when it gets here? Do you mind ur funds going for that? It is more expensive that way U know. They can place the child up for adoption U say? There are lots of children waiting for good parents now and they are being paid for by our tax dollars often times real poorly.
Just a thought

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 1:04 pm
oh for those who would like to protest this; here is a petition
http://site.pfaw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=Stop_StupakPitts&autologin=true
copy an paste people I already signed

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 1:11 pm
Thanks for signing the petition!

Thank you Faith

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 1:20 pm
Thank you Faith I just posted this petition on C2NN

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 1:21 pm
Ur welcome Nitty gritty oh and for those folks who think this is just about abortion think again. there is much more in there and it just does not stop at abortion funding here is a thought for ya from a truthout article
Will the Stupak Amendment Force Women Who've Miscarried to Lose Insurance Coverage?
http://www.truthout.org/topstories/111009vh04
again copy and paste

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 1:23 pm
ur welcome Tierney

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 3:34 pm
Lionel I'm not given to making smoke screens other than incense ones around the Altar, for anything and if you have a look at my post you will I guess see my point. As to your rather patronising and sexist remark which is wholely judgemental, I would ask you who makes such a judgement when offering healthcare it is not in the remit of say a doctor to make a moral judgement as for starters it would be contrary the hippocratic oath and likely get them struck off the medical register should a complaint be made against them, I don't know whether for example your profile photo is your self at the organ but on the assumption that it is pehaps your hobby or profession and some medical condition arose from that activity which presumably gives you pleasure, would you expect someone to sit in judgement and say no healthcare for you mate you'r a musician. Do you perhaps get the point that that would be as illogically discriminatory as what your post is suggesting. The net result of our system in the UK is all get treatment free at point of delivery based on need not means or morality. This of course means that those who suffer greater illness get more out the system than those that are lucky enough to stay in good health however if the fit are going to begrudge those in need of healthcare by virtue of individual cost then one might as well resort to the ethics of the schoolyard/playground were one might have said he's got a bigger piece of cake than i've got I want gimme gimme! Certainly our Lord Jesus Christ would not be likely to make the same judgement that you apparently make,His compassion and forgiveness for sinners should be well known to you from your religious affiliation and as you will be aware his comments on let those without sin cast the first stone, related to a woman accused sexual intercourse outside of marriage which if memory serves me correctly was a one sided affair (no pun intended) under the then Jewish law as it did not apply to men that went off the straight and narrow, no doubt someone will chime in and correct me if I am wrong on that score! Just for the record yes I still enjoy Bach JS that is, the smell of incense and the tranquil sound of Gregorian chant.Probably sacriledge to you as my catholic musical taste embraces some pop,rock, dance, country, opera, classical, shows, baroque, jazz, folk, big band, military, ballet, Latin etc but I could not imagine being discriminated against for healthcare if my love of music caused me deafness, daftness or dislocation from dancing to it! Likewise if my female relatives or friends found themselves in need of an abortion for whatever reason I would not expect them to be discriminated against on the grounds of lifestyle, morality or profession!

Wednesday November 11, 2009, 9:08 am
Judy Cross, are you saying the Jews run the U.S. gov't? Blaming the Jews are we?
I though it was the 'communists' that were taking over the U.S. gov't., or was it the 'elitists' or the 'Banksters' or the Rockefellers or the Rothschilds or the British Royal family and every other world leader who is part of the 'new world order conspiracy' that was running everything on the planet, which of course would have to include the U.S. government.
Gets a bit complicated doesn't it.

Wednesday November 11, 2009, 11:47 am
The Catholic Church would run the whole world if they could. For centuries they ran most of Europe. Remember the Crusades? Remember the Inquisition? I have no problem with the Catholic Church dictating what their members can and cannot do. People can decide for themselves if they want to stay in the Church or leave and judging by the numbers, they have been leaving in droves.

I object to the Catholic Church dictating what the laws of the country should be and their attempts to impose their particular views of morality on everyone else. I think when the Catholic Church or any other religious organization starts engaging in politics and lobbying Congressman and Senators, they should loose their tax exempt status.

The Revolutionary War, The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are all predicated on the idea of Democracy, a system of government where the people decide what the laws should be and not a few Kings and Bishops. The Bishops should go back to their churches and stay off of Capital Hill or start paying taxes on revenues and property.

Thursday November 12, 2009, 12:44 am
Thanks for posting this, Tierney--your intent is noble and I agree with some of the more poignant parts of this article...

As for some of the respondents in the comments, I have less enthusiasm. Perhaps we could all do with reading something about conspiracy theories. It's wise to consider the malicious nature of trying to hijack a conversation from an original specific topic and the resulting stifling and manipulative effect and intent of framing discussion to suit one's own conspiracy theory. It is the exact opposite of free speech--it is malicious propaganda based on simply telling distortions multiple times. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and many others all believed that if you said something untrue many times that people would come to believe it!. If this shoe fits, wear it and remember that you are ALWAYS being watched by others and will screw up some time and cross the line and be reported to our masters here at Care2!!

Wayne McDonald wrote on this subject:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/newgw/gw_rmd1.htm

Of Particular relevance here is this excerpt from that article:
"Oppressive conspiracy theories are frequently used to both obtain and retain political or some other form of power. The well-documented invocation of numerous alleged conspiracies, as well as the recent anti-Semitic ranting, of former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney of Georgia’s 4th congressional district are examples of this tactic.1
A close relative of the oppressive theory is the deceptive conspiracy theory. Deceptive conspiracies are dedicated to presenting the illusion that the root cause of some social, economic, or political problem is something other than actual cause. The most notorious use of this tactic came in the early 1930s in Germany.
Germany was in social and economic chaos as a result of the repressive conditions set forth in the Treaty of Versailles which had essentially stripped Germany of its economic infrastructure. When the worldwide effects of the Great Depression were factored in, the desperate German people were willing to literally try anything. Adolph Hitler and the Nazi party, playing on the already widespread anti-Semitism of the era, blamed all of Germany’s problems on the Jews. It is not necessary to relate the tragic results of this particular conspiracy theory."

Let's consider that its' unfair and intellectually dishonest to direct conversation from one subject to the other to feed one's own agenda. Many thanks to those who realize that here and have commented positively otherwise.

Thursday November 12, 2009, 1:07 pm
The standard way of calling people together is to give them a common enemy, in Judy's case she chooses Jews and Israel. (If she is so anti, why does she use their inventions, an extreme hypocrite?) This is the method that Hitler used in the 1930s to bring Germany together to believe in the Deutch Mark.

The Catholics, in my opinion, rule by fear. They introduce the concept of Hell and Purgatory and put themselves in control of whether or not you have to go there. There are some good people in the Church but we see the Vatican where the senior members wear satin, silks and valuable jewellery. They eat beautifully cooked foods and watch their followers starve and suffer in the event of a natural disaster. (I see Israel send aid and help immediately!)

Jesus preached Judaism, pure & simple. Man has taken what was preached, twisting and sitorting it to something that is no longer recognisable and uses the religion to abuse millions of people. Jesus did not intend for women to have to put up with abuse and rape nor did he intend a woman to die having a baby. I could continue but I find it beyond acceptable that in the day and age of equality that women are STILL being abused by men in power, because they can!!!!