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Goat Donation NOT a Good Idea!!


Animals  (tags: AnimalWelfare, environment, charity, goats )

Kim
- 640 days ago - vancouversun.com
Several organizations have taken up collecting donations so that they can donate goats to impoverished countries. These places haven't considered the big picture in keeping a goat. Please note and share and please DON'T donate a goat, for it's own good!!



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Kim O. (398)
Monday January 28, 2013, 8:13 pm
I orginally thought this might be a good idea, but after reading this, no way!! Green sparkly stars to everyone I can star! Please share with anyone that was considering donating any goats!
 

Dana H. (229)
Monday January 28, 2013, 8:58 pm
I sent out a share for other activists thanks for sharing this kim
 

AniMae Chi (419)
Monday January 28, 2013, 9:02 pm
Than.q Kimmy
 

Angelika R. (142)
Monday January 28, 2013, 9:05 pm
Want to send stars to the author and to the paper for this great awareness article, couldn't agree more!
thank you Kim!-git your star already, am out now)
 

desanka s. (394)
Monday January 28, 2013, 9:58 pm
I think Patricia Tallman made a very good point in this article.

"You cannot currently send a star to Kim because you have done so within the last week."
 

Kim O. (398)
Monday January 28, 2013, 10:14 pm
Stars to everybody! I must've gone star crazy lately, can't send any to all above! I have these...*************
 

Danica Mirkovic (108)
Monday January 28, 2013, 10:16 pm
You're totally right, thank you Kim! Shared on FB and tweeted.
 

Henriette Matthijssen (147)
Monday January 28, 2013, 10:32 pm
These livestock gift programs inflict a life of misery and death on the "gifts" and degrade the impoverished environment - introducing non-native livestock to fragile environments is not a solution.
Donors can create a more positive and lasting impact by supporting agencies that help through the introduction of plant-based sustainable agriculture, rather than encouraging the farming of animals for short-term gain in exchange for long-term environmental and health damage.
Thanks Kim absolutely correct.
 

Gabriela V. (166)
Monday January 28, 2013, 11:32 pm
Noted and shared, thank you!
 

Pogle S. (88)
Monday January 28, 2013, 11:34 pm
I too used to think this was a good idea but I'm thoroughly disillusioned now. Thanks for the eye opener Kim O !
 

Mary T. (186)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 12:03 am
Thanks Kim for posting this, Shared on Facebook, Sorry can't send you a star on this as it seems I am to early.
 

Arthur S. (88)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 12:14 am
Thank you Kim!! xx
 

Ness F. (211)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 12:23 am
Cheers Kim, noted mate...I too thought it was a good idea till I read this well written article! xx
 

katarzyna phillips (6)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 12:24 am
i've always been dubious of such things and i always knew that 'buying a goat for a family in...' was never going to be exactly that. the way the article is written shows EXACTLY why these people don't have these animals in the first place. if we want to get them out of poverty, there are better ways to do it as the article states. at christmas time, or birthdays, those who can't think of a present will lean maybe towards this offer. but i think the 'donors' need to be more aware of what they are donating. another problem, or a good solution?
 

Ruth L. (302)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 12:34 am
Good article. Thanks for sharing Kim.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 2:04 am
Better is donating money to develope agriculture instead of giving animals to a certain death. I strongly agree with Henriette !
 

Simon Validzic (248)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 2:15 am
It is unacceptable that a humanitarian organization is "tipping the balance" in favor of animal farming and the consumption of more meat. Even if the goat is for milk, it is almost killed at some point. (The word "it" is not degrading for a goat because I also us "it" for a human child where the gender is not known). A few years ago, I accidentally "signed" a "quick" petition (that Change.org used to have) to help the impoverished but then I went back and opened the full text and it was for Hiefer International. I asked Change.org to delete my "signature" but they told me that that was not possible. I do not "sign" petitons unless I read the full text, no matter how long it is.
 

Ruth S. (304)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 3:23 am
I agree with Kim O.
 

Danuta Watola (1207)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 4:22 am
noted
 

TRISH GEIDEL (214)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 4:28 am

AGREE WITH U KIM, # 110 % ! THANX 4 LETTING ME KNOW ! XXXXX
 

Elsie Au (266)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 4:44 am
Thanks for the post. I hate the idea of sending animals just to be killed later as food. They should promote more sustainable diet.
 

Colleen Prinssen (14)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 4:46 am
there are some people who have been herders for generations. should we call them souless morons? better give them the right seeds and not Monsanto GMO ones.

Oh. how will we also veganize so many nomadic people? National Geographic has covered the Kyrgyz. they use sheep and camel as "money". how horrible?
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (385)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 4:50 am
Do not donate goats!
 

Kath P. (11)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 5:00 am
I've often wondered about the wisdom of donating animals to places where the people are having a hard time feeding themselves and finding clean water. Thanks for bringing this to everyones attention.
 

Leslene Dunn (75)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 5:07 am
Send them vegetables, it is far healthier. Why should these poor goats be sent so that people can eat them. Mielie pap and vegetables is a staple diet - they don't need meat!!!
 

Joy Wong (75)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 6:05 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Alison A. (237)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 7:48 am
Animals are living beings, they make a good point that a goat would 'need' to eat two hectares of grass per year, if this cannot be supplied, she would go hungry, but probably still be expected to produce milk, then killed for not doing so.... how would that be right?

I know I would not want to donate to the possible mistreatment and suffering of an animal.

Noted with thanks Kim.
 

tasunka m. (334)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 7:48 am
NOTED AND NOT SIGNED.
IF ONLY IT WAS ALL THIS EASY,JUST IGNORE!
 

Patricia Cannell (754)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 7:54 am
Noted! Thanks for sharing!
 

Michele Wilkinson (106)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 8:04 am
Definitely NOT a good idea.
 

Veronique L. (213)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 8:10 am
Oh dear...I like you Kim thought it was such a great idea..
 

Beatriz Blauth (31)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 8:13 am
Always found weird this thing of donating goats... goats are living creatures, have a right to their own lives, they are not things to be donated...
 

Bernard Cronyn (31)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 8:58 am
Amazing that finally after 50 years a few are starting to belatedly remove their rose colored spectacles when dealing with AID agencies. AID very often spawns mutli-billion dollar industries providing six figure salaries for top management fat cats and lining the pockets of advertising and PR executives. More often than not when a fraction of the money eventually trickles down to the people who it is supposed to help, a mixture of naivety and ignorance prevails and more harm than good occurs. There are semi-desert area where desertification has been speeded up by the introduction of goats. There are instances where after years of finally weaning people off these animals; our “wise” and kind AID workers from the West come waltzing back in with goats to reverse the good work. Disastrous fishing schemes that have wrecked the ecology of lakes and rivers, agricultural schemes doomed from the start, unsustainable fresh water schemes I have seen them all and of course there is the worst of all with the heaviest impact. This is of course wading in amongst tribal people, drastically slashing infantile mortality and then refusing to introduce birth control because of “religion”. Famine follows creating even better opportunities for more AID and more flow of money in all directions. There is a Chinese saying “Kill the hand that feeds you” in reference to unsolicited charity – so true.
 

Sandi C. (235)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 9:14 am
noted.
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 9:26 am
Noted , thanks !
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (727)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 9:47 am
noted,tweeted,fb and shared in my groups--ty Kim
 

Pam B. (0)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 9:51 am
so basicaly they need too much care and feed. i think ention started out good in some cases but actualy they didn't think it out
 

Catherine Turley (194)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 10:38 am
www.awellfedworld.org is the kinder version of heifer international and world vision.
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 10:53 am
Thanks Kim for the very informative post. Henriette's comments are right on!!
 

Gudrun D. (421)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 11:05 am
Thanks Kim - I agree just as people shouldn't give chicks and bunnies for Easter or puppies and kittens as gifts. Taking care of any creature is a big responsibility!! How well we all know of the neglect to the voiceless that happens from irresponsible humans possessing creatures. Great post - thank you Kim!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 12:27 pm
A real eye opening article Kim - donate a livestock animal used by NGO's as a fundraising scheme to pay for salaries, offices, etc. As the article states, Donors can create a more positive and lasting impact by supporting agencies that help through the introduction of plant-based sustainable agriculture, rather than encouraging the farming of animals for short-term gain in exchange for long-term environmental and health damage For donors who are concerned, organizations such as HIPPO (Help International Plant Protein), Trees for Kenya, and Food for Life Global provide support that benefits the recipients for the long term, without exploiting animals or degrading the environment. Donors can create a more positive and lasting impact by supporting agencies that help through the introduction of plant-based sustainable agriculture, rather than encouraging the farming of animals for short-term gain in exchange for long-term environmental and health damage. These agencies are new to me and prob. many others too. Thanks for posting.


 

Lisa Neste (707)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 12:41 pm
Noted, thanks for the heads up Kim!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 1:27 pm
Do not be surprised?? We have here donates ( human beings) Instead of (goats ). Noted , Thanks .
 

Franco Di Palma (374)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 6:07 pm
Thanks Kim......noted. You are the best my friend........
Franco
 

Veronica C. (44)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 6:11 pm
I've always been against donating goats. This backs up my belief. Thanks Kim!
 

Dogan Ozkan (5)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 8:50 pm
noted
 

Constance F. (432)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 9:00 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Kim because you have done so within the last week.
I had read about this, about how many of the animals donated through these seemingly benevolent organizations were dying off through starvation and neglect. The article smartly spelled out why this is an AWFUL idea. And while a few may have had the best intentions, they weren't thinking of the animals; they obviously see animals as a commodity, which tells us their mindset is harmful and exploitive. Thank you for posting !
 

Kim O. (398)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 10:33 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Constance because you have done so within the last week.
 

Mariette AWAY (151)
Wednesday January 30, 2013, 1:05 am
Noted and shared. Thanks Kim!
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (80)
Tuesday February 5, 2013, 3:12 am
I would like to take advantage of this post to denounce one of these groups with many tentacles, not only because they are offering all sorts of livestock for purchase for 'humanitarian' purpses, but because of their numerous corporate & GM-linked backers.

I don't know how I got on their mailing list, & I had never heard of 'Heifer' before, but I felt suspicious about it intuitively, as soon as I saw the e-newsletter they sent, featuring Haiti, which I know has been destroyed with the complicity of certain NGOs: Heifer Projects are Sowing Hope in Haiti. I don't know why but I immediately suspected Monsanto & other agri-corporations behind this glossy 'humanitarian' come-on. Maybe because the headquarters are in Arkansas & they claim to be devoted Haiti-helpers that I thought of Bill Clinton & his terrible record of destroying Haitian agriculture, then bringing sweat-shops to occupy the ruined Haitian farmers & ensuring they got the lowest wage in the hemisphere. In any event, watch out for these pseudo-humanitarian orgs all linked via 'Heifer' :

Heifer is associated with "Farmers Feeding the World: A campaign by American agriculture to fight global hunger" which includes BASF, Dow & Dupont among their corporate partners via "The Farm Journal Agricultural Foundation"! So this is 'fighting hunger' with chemicals! & using the come-ons of "Fighting hunger" & humanitarian action as a means to securing new & bigger markets for GMOs.

I was already less & less reassured when after clicking around some more, I came to this page: a href="http://www.heifer.org/ideas/ideas-in-action/?msource=NIM1A130001">"East Africa Dairy: A Shared Smallholder, Business and Government Partnership" - In 2008, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation awarded a 5-year, $42.8 million grant to Heifer International."

Click here to see all the different sorts of animals you can buy ((rabbits, flock of chicks, llamas, dairy goats, water buffalos, heifer, etc.) as Valentine's gifts: "Giving an alternative gift from Heifer is as simple as 1 - 2 - 3."

1.Click an animal icon from the list below to learn more about how that animal helps families in need.
2.Type the quantity of animals or shares of an animal desired into the appropriate box.
3.Click "Proceed to Checkout" to add your items to your cart and check out through our secure payment process.

Giving a truly meaningful gift has never been easier!"
:

"Heifer International works with communities in need around the world to end hunger and poverty while caring for the Earth. Your gift will give families the resources and training they need to lift themselves out of hunger and poverty. This Valentine’s Day, give a gift from the heart. Gift Different. Give Heifer."
 

Kim O. (398)
Tuesday February 5, 2013, 6:54 pm
Thanks PeasantDiva for exposing this organization!! The more we know, the better for the animals!
 

Sylvie Bermannova (39)
Wednesday February 6, 2013, 1:15 am
Despite having heard about the project before (as a Czech human rights organization has also been promoting such "animal gifts" here), admittedly, I did not quite realize what is behind it.

I find it rather unfortunate if a program presented as an aid to needful people turns out to be so ill-conceived as is described here. While this may have been a well-intentioned endeavor, on somebody's part at least, there are a couple of buts that come to mind in light of the facts mentioned here: the first being that the donation may be used differently than advertised; the second being that the goats are treated like commodities while their welfare is obviously disregarded; and the third being that the project seems not to produce desirable results, even causing damage.

This raises doubts about appropriateness of such a project and suggests that another--better--solution should be found to help these people without having to compromise on animal rights and/or environmental protection. Because even if this was of some help to these people, what's the good of it if it's hurtful elsewhere? Then it's like a supposed medicine with too many side effects...
 

Mandy A. (93)
Wednesday February 6, 2013, 8:20 am
I was always wondering why they kept promoting Heifer on care2, and kept forcing that little button thing, we in the wolf army blog had discussed it many many times, it was promoting killing animals..could never grasp the reason or why it was on the petition site and so many of them... thank you for getting some attention to it, Chris was going to and Krystal has been having troubles with her pregnancy, Chris just does not have the impact as many others, so it would not have gotten much attention sadly and everyone just kept signing it...not I said me and my peoples... knew better
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (80)
Thursday February 7, 2013, 2:06 am
Ah, Mandy! Now you've taught me something! I didn't know Heifer was promoted on C2!
 

Suheyla C. (229)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 6:49 am
Thanks Kim
 

Birgit W. (147)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 5:18 am
I am not able to get to that page. It says: "We’re sorry, the page you requested is not available."

 

ellen m. (222)
Friday May 24, 2013, 9:47 pm
Same here Kim, can't get there from here, and it won't refresh.
Short of driving 3 hours to physically search their archives which is a little drastic ;-)

wish I had seen this alot sooner so that I could shave seen it.thanks
 

ellen m. (222)
Friday May 24, 2013, 10:36 pm
Hey Kim, you didn't by chance print out this article or save it for yourself did you?
 

ellen m. (222)
Friday May 24, 2013, 11:29 pm
Thanks again Kim - read and shared!
Here's the link for those might still visit this page and want to read it ;-)

http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=7841785
 
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