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Is There Global Warming or Isn't There?


Environment  (tags: climate, ClimateChange, CO2emissions, ecosystems, destruction, environment, globalwarming, greenhousegases, habitat, pollution, science, Sustainabililty, weather, wildlife, world )

Gaby
- 2043 days ago - imtiredonline.com
There's been so much coverage in the news on both sides, from "experts" all over the world. Is there global warming? Now we're hearing about the next "ice age" that's on its way... Is the sky falling? What are we going to do??? Read on...



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Chris J. (0)
Thursday January 15, 2009, 11:03 am
hmmm that's interesting - noted
 

Emily R. (3)
Thursday January 15, 2009, 11:07 am
Global Warming is a big problem in today's world - we definitely need to make sure that we each do our part to help out!
 

serge vrabec (279)
Thursday January 15, 2009, 11:20 am
Do not be fooled , OUR environment , planet is in dire need of our help, right now. We must and are turning towards suatainability to keep OUR planet alive while people awaken to their spiritual (true) nature , again. Thse Shift is here, have no fear, be and do what YOU CAN, NOW or not.

"Fear and Caution are two different things. Be Cautious- be conscious- but do not be fearful. Be mobilized, not paralyzed."- Conversations with God-book #3
 

Jack Seniorest (69)
Thursday January 15, 2009, 2:32 pm
It is 4:30 PM in S.E Wisconsin. There is about 20 inches of snow on the graund and the current temperature is minus five. Today I would say no.
 

Sir Walk F. (124)
Thursday January 15, 2009, 6:28 pm
John, cold temperatures do not negate "Climate Change".

Maybe your joking.
 

Judy Cross (83)
Thursday January 15, 2009, 11:35 pm
Sir W. You are right, but something else is going on beside just cold weather. THERE HAS BEEN NO WARMING FOR 10 YEARS. It's been cooling for 7. The climate has shifted to cool even though CO2 levels are still as high as they were when it was warm.

The writer makes a really good point. Let's just clean up the planet and let the climate take care of itself.

The only thing paying carbon taxes or allowing a cap and trade system to get established will do, is make the already obscenely rich...richer.
 

. (0)
Friday January 16, 2009, 12:08 am
It was 27 below last night and will be again tonight in MN!
Yes, record cold temperatures do negate global warming!
GLOBAL WARMING IS OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Elizabeth L. (164)
Friday January 16, 2009, 12:18 pm
The main point in the article is good - reduce and eliminate pollution. Recycle, live simply, walk the Earth lightly.
 

Tia P. (7)
Friday January 16, 2009, 4:07 pm
John, Judy, & BB, part of the change global warming produces is more weather extremes - higher highs, AND lower lows, more severe storms AND droughts. It is mid-January, and it has been in the 80s & dry every day for a week! THIS IS NOT NORMAL!!! It's supposed to be cold & raining right now in Southern California!!
Global warming is real - please stop denying it, and especially, please stop regurgitating and spreading the utility & oil-company propaganda.
 

. (0)
Friday January 16, 2009, 4:22 pm
part of the change global warming produces is more weather extremes - higher highs, AND lower lows
NO that is not right!
It just snowed in LA not long ago
 

Judy Cross (83)
Friday January 16, 2009, 4:28 pm
It is normal...CHANGE IS NORMAL. The climate switches as ocean currents, sunspots, and who knows what else works on it. During La Nina periods the Southwest has long severe droughts. The Pacific Decada Oscillation has switched to its cool phase, so La Ninas will be more frequent. Oil companies have nothing to do with it.
http://watersupplyconditions.water.ca.gov/background.cfm

"Akasofu countered with the statement, "CO2 emissions have been increasing, but the rise in air temperature stopped around 2001. Climate change is due in large part to naturally occurring oscillations". Akasofu says the earth's warming trend began prior to the industrial age, and believes much of the warming seen may simply be a natural recovery from the so-called Little Ice Age, that ended in the 17th century."

http://www.dailytech.com/Japanese+Report+Disputes+Human+Cause+for+Global+Warming/article13934.htm

Japanese Report Disputes Human Cause for Global Warming
 

Carol W. (119)
Friday January 16, 2009, 8:52 pm
Gore is part of the problem as he distracts attention from real solutions, to form his joint venture.

"Maybe we could/should focus our attention on something much more simple, that every human being can understand and actually do something about? POLLUTION."

Like the jet fuel being dumped in the oceans and bays by military short flights.
What else is being dumped that Govt. is hiding?
 

. (0)
Friday January 16, 2009, 9:13 pm
Even the four experts cited in the news item who believe that human activity is not primarily responsible still do not state that it isn't at least partially responsible. And, of course, the remaining expert (along with others in his field) does believe human activity is substantially responsible.

Considering the possible dire consequences, until the experts get more in sync wouldn't caution be the best course of action? Because the potential environmental penalties for inaction could be devastating.
 

Patricia B. (0)
Friday January 16, 2009, 9:40 pm
The root cause of the environmental declines we are facing throughout the world is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Once one-fourth part of the earth is destroyed (Re.6:7-8) we will move forward to the next Seal events, followed by Trumpet events, followed by Plague events. The earth is on a downhill slid from which it will not recover. The first four Trumpet events will destroy an additional one-third (Re.8:7-12).


Patricia © Bible Prophecy on the Web
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BibleProphecy

 

Judy Cross (83)
Saturday January 17, 2009, 12:16 am
Spare us the really silly argument that we have to do something ...even though nothing out of the ordinary is happening. Caution also means taking no action when we don't have a clue about how things really work yet. This cooling was not predicted by the climate models. It happened even though CO2 levels went up. Since the models did not predict the last 10 years we would have be be mad, stupid or crooked to demand restriction of CO2 based on some lunatic reading of the "precautionary principle". It's like beating ashcan covers on Broadway and 42nd St. to keep the elephants away.

None of the temperatures reached in the nineties had not been already reached in the 1920-40 period. 1934 was the hottest year of the 20th century and then it cooled off again during the 1950-1979 period when it then started to warm again.
http://euro-med.dk/billeder/billedertop-2d10-2dwarmest-20years1.jpg

I'm so tired of people who defend the scam that man is responsible for something that is so clearly beyond our control.

I am especially angry because it side tracks real action on real things that need attending to, like the real death of oceans from trash and over fishing while good money is wasted on the stupid hypothesis that the ocean can't handle CO2.

Take a look at this graph...CO2 up...temperatures down and remember none of the Warmists predicted it.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/MSUCRUvsCO2.jpg
 

Susan W. (2)
Saturday January 17, 2009, 8:00 am
I am also very tired of hearing the just plain dumb assertions made by the Global Warming Alarmists! Do people realise that due to the propaganda pushed by that hypocrite and (ridiculously wealthy) Al Gore and the IPCC that government policy is actually causing greater poverty and starvation for people. Do people realise that these lies are costing us millions and millions of dollars which would be better spent on solving the real problems the world faces, like poverty, disease, human rights violations, animal rights violations, water pollution, air pollution in countries such as India and China, mental health issues etc
Here is a reference for those still not convinced that Manmade Global Warming is an incredible scam: Letter_UN_Sec_Gen_Ban_Ki_moon This also contains a lot of other persuasive references. Susan W
 

. (0)
Saturday January 17, 2009, 8:03 am
A very short while ago, it was the deniers of human-caused global warming who were called corporate shills and scam artists.

Which side will be in the wrong tomorrow?
 

Judy Cross (83)
Saturday January 17, 2009, 3:15 pm
Not tomorrow NOW. And if you don't blow the whistle on it, you are going to get a real wake-up when the taxes and cap and trade programs go into effect.

We have an escacalating taxhere in BC, on all non electric energy that will be 7% in a few years. I doubt anyone's income will go up that much during that time.

First they robbed your ritirement funds and now they will just pick your pocket every month when the bills come due...all in the name of saving the planet.
 

Dale Husband (126)
Saturday January 17, 2009, 9:16 pm
The claim that we have been cooling over the past ten years is simply a denialist lie. Temperatures peaked in 1998 due to an especially strong El Nino. When that passed, the temperatures dropped slightly. Then they peaked again at about the same level in 2005, but there was no El Nino happening then. Temperatures dropped again after 2005 due to a La Nina, but they have not yet dropped to the levels of the 1970s.

"None of the temperatures reached in the nineties had not been already reached in the 1920-40 period. 1934 was the hottest year of the 20th century and then it cooled off again during the 1950-1979 period when it then started to warm again."

Another falsehood. I investigated this claim about the year 1934 and found that it was the result of denialist cherry picking only the land based measurements of the continental United States. It is GLOBAL temperatures, including ALL the continents, as well as the oceans and the polar regions, that make us concerned about climate change.
 

Judy Cross (83)
Saturday January 17, 2009, 11:45 pm
Here comes the Dale the Never Wrong.

Oh, it was a fierce bad el Nino that made it so hot so that doesn't count?

Your joking...how dumb do you think people are.

Either CO2 is responsible for warming or it isn't.

I say it isn't and there is plenty of evidence to back that up

As for your "investigation" into the temperature record, you didn't look very hard.
Here is GISS own revised figures after they were forced to correct the record by Steve McIntyre and Anthony Watts
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D.txt

http://www.dailytech.com/Deja+Vu+All+Over+Again+Blogger+Again+Finds+Error+in+NASA+Climate+Data/article13410.htm
Deja Vu All Over Again: Blogger Again Finds Error in NASA Climate Data


GISS's October Data. The large reddish-brown area in Russia is actually September readings.
Amateur team finds NASA error similar to one they discovered a year ago.

NASA'S Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) is one of the world's primary sources for climate data. GISS issues regular updates on world temperatures based on their analysis of temperature readings from thousands of monitoring stations over the globe.

GISS’ most recent data release originally reported last October as being extraordinarily warm-- a full 0.78C above normal. This would have made it the warmest October on record; a huge increase over the previous month's data.

Those results set off alarm bells with Steve McIntyre and his gang of Baker Street irregulars at Climateaudit.org. They noted that NASA's data didn't agree at all with the satellite temperature record, which showed October to be very mild, continuing the same trend of slight cooling that has persisted since 1998. So they dug a little deeper.

McKintyre, the same man who found errors last year in GISS's US temperature record, quickly noted that most of the temperature increase was coming from Russia. A chart of world temperatures showed that in October, most of Russia, the largest nation on Earth, was not only registering hot, but literally off the scale. Yet anecdotal reports were suggesting that October was actually slightly colder than normal. Could there be another error in GISS's data?

An alert reader on McKintyre's blog revealed that there was a very large problem. Looking at the actual readings from individual stations in Russia showed a curious anomaly. The locations had all been assigned the exact temperatures from a month earlier-- the much warmer month of September. Russia cools very rapidly in the fall months, so recycling the data from the earlier month had led to a massive temperature increase.

A few locations in Ireland were also found to be using September data.

Steve McKintyre informed GISS of the error by email. According to McKintyre, there was no response, but within "about an hour", GISS pulled down the erroneous data, citing a "mishap" and pointing the finger of blame upstream to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Adminstration (NOAA).

NOAA's Deputy Director of Communications, Scott Smullens, tells DailyTech that NOAA is responsible only for temperature readings in the US, not those in other nations.

The error not only affected October data, but due to the complex algorithm GISS uses to convert actual temperature readings into their output results, altered the previously published values for several other months as well. The values for August 2008, for instance, changed by 0.11C and the global anomaly as far back as 2005 increased by a hundredth of a degree.

GISS is run by Dr. James Hansen, a strident global warming advocate who has accused oil companies of "crimes against humanity". Hansen recently made headlines when he travelled to London to testify on behalf of a group of environmentalists who had damaged a coal plant in protest against global warming. Hansen also serves as science advisor to Al Gore.

Dr. Hansen could not be reached for comment.
 

Tia P. (7)
Monday January 19, 2009, 8:32 am
Judy, do you work for the oil companies or the coal companies? Because you sure seem to have an agenda to continue practices that are destroying us. Your hostility is becoming very offensive.

BTW - yesterday, Jan 18, it was in the mid 90s here. That's after being in the 80's all last week. I repeat - it is supposed to be cold (highs in the 40s to 50s) and rainy right now, not hot and dry. This isn't erroneous data tabulation - this is first hand experience.
 

Jack Seniorest (69)
Monday January 19, 2009, 8:46 am
Tia, Thanks for the response to Judy. I love this continuing civil discourse. By the way, It was 5 degrees this morning when I woke up in my house warmed by natural gas. Then went I into the basement and started up the wood burner. The outside temperature should be in the 20's. There is over 20 inches of snow on the ground. This is real first hand data. By the way, I am not a oil,gas,coal,global warming or Gore toadie. I just like to keep my water pipes from freezing.
 

Carol W. (119)
Monday January 19, 2009, 9:02 am
Gore's Cap & Trade:
What do the logging companies get in buck$ for not leveling miles of rain forest in S.A. or/and Indonesia?

Do to the trading (loophole) Carbon Footprint in the U.K. has 'risen' 5%.
With the added tax picked up by the people who now are less healthy from increased Carbon Air, the cost of living is harsher.

Judy thanks for your objective reporting and sharing.

It really needs to remain in the realm of 'objective' and not emotional fear mongering irrational exuberance.
(Not one of the band members who shook Gore's hand and rallied his slide show have yet to sell one of their private jets, cut back on caravans of tours, or found alternative energy for their millions of lights on stage.) Well, maybe some have chg'd their light bulbs at home.

Let's hope they are as Mercury conscience as they exhibit in their oxymoron/paradox of carbon conscienceness.
 
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