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Countdown Special Comment: STOP THE LIES! The Clear & Present Danger Isn't Obama's Agenda; It's GOP Talking Points


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Countdown with Keith Olbermann, Fear Mongering, Glenn Beck, health care crisis, health care reform, Healthcare Reform, John Cornyn, MSNBC, Olbermann, Sarah Palin, Special Comment )

Blue
- 118 days ago - crooksandliars.com
Keith Olbermann calls out the dangerous rhetoric and lies of Sarah Palin and her other GOP cohorts--such as Glenn Beck and Sen. John Cornyn--scaring the populace with their outrageous fear mongering over health care reform.
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Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 10:48 am
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Keith Olbermann calls out the dangerous rhetoric and lies of Sarah Palin and her other GOP cohorts--such as Glenn Beck and Sen. John Cornyn--scaring the populace with their outrageous fear mongering over health care reform.

You shouted "fire" in a crowded theater -- a hot one -- and then today tried to roll it back with "no, no, sorry, not fire, I meant flashlights."

Too little, too late, too obvious.

Madam, you are a clear and present danger to the safety and security of this nation.

Whether the 'death panel' is something you dreamed, or something you dreamed-up, whether it is the product of a low intellect and a fevered imagination, or the product of a high intelligence and a sober ability to exploit people, you should be ashamed of yourself for having introduced it into the public discourse, and it should debar you, for all time, from any position of responsibility or trust in the governance of this nation or any of its states or municipalities.

It is exactly this kind of lowest demoninator scare tactics of Palin's and her other GOP buddies that has brought about the aptly albeit bluntly named PleaseCutTheCrap.com.

And while it's semi-nice to see Palin back-pedaling slightly, the fever pitch is such that a concerted joint effort by the White House and the Democrats in Congress is required to push back on this inciting and ugly rhetoric, before it goes too far.

Transcripts below the fold

Finally as promised a Special Comment on this terrible moment in American history, and those unfortunate and irresponsible Americans who have brought us to it.

"The America I know and love," the quitter governor of Alaska Sarah Palin began, "is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."

Of course it is, Ms. Palin, and that is why it does not exist, has not existed, and would never, under this president, nor any other president, ever exist, in this country.

There is no 'death panel.'

There is no judgment based on societal productivity.

There is no worthiness test.

But there is downright evil, and Ms. Palin, you just served its cause.

You shouted "fire" in a crowded theater -- a hot one -- and then today tried to roll it back with "no, no, sorry, not fire, I meant flashlights."

Too little, too late, too obvious.

Madam, you are a clear and present danger to the safety and security of this nation.

Whether the 'death panel' is something you dreamed, or something you dreamed-up, whether it is the product of a low intellect and a fevered imagination, or the product of a high intelligence and a sober ability to exploit people, you should be ashamed of yourself for having introduced it into the public discourse, and it should debar you, for all time, from any position of responsibility or trust in the governance of this nation or any of its states or municipalities.

But it will not.

Because a percentage of America does not want explanations nor serious conversation. It wants panic and the guilty thrill of chaos and an excuse to bash skulls and hang people in effigy.

Or not in effigy.

Ms. Palin, what, in spirit, is the difference between this monstrous image of a congressman hanged in effigy and the indefensible smile of pride on the idiot's face...

And this image… with not one murderer in the mob even feeling the need to hide his face for fear of justice that would never come? They are both, to use your phrase, "Death Panels."

Ms. Palin, you might as well have declared that the government is being run by a coven of witches with fake Kenyan birth certificates.

And you might as well have told the vast unthinking throng that mistakes your ability to wink for leadership, that they should start shooting at Democrats.

There would be no need to tell them to bring guns.

Others have done that.

Somebody left his at an Arizona Town Hall.

And incidentally, Madam, you have forfeited your right to be taken seriously the next time you claim offense at somebody mentioning your children. You have just exploited your youngest child, dangled him in front of a mindless mob as surely as if you were Michael Jackson. You have used this innocent infant as an excuse to pander to the worst and least of us in this nation. You have used him to create the false image of 'death panels.'

The only 'death panels,' Ms. Palin, are the figurative ones you have inspired with such irresponsible, dangerous, facile, vile, hate speech.

The death of common sense.

The death of logic.

The death, perhaps, of Democracy, at the hands of mob rule.

If someone is hurt at one of these Town Halls, pro-Reform, anti-Reform, or, most likely, as these things tend to play out in the real life you know so little about, Ms. Palin -- if the hurt befalls an innocent bystander -- you will have contributed to the harm.

You might very well become, Ms. Palin, the very thing you have sought to create in the lurid imaginations of those spoiling for a fight, waiting for an excuse, looking for a rationalization of their own hatred, their own racism, their own unwillingness to accept Democracy.

You, Ms. Palin, may yet become the de facto chairman of … a Death Panel.

Your… higher calling, Ms. Palin.

God forgive you, Ms. Palin.

It is hardly all Sarah Palin.

She is in fact a relative newcomer to the orgy of fantasized violence and imagined revolution, whose fires have been stoked, for weeks, for months, for years, by Conservatives -- but more often by mere mercenaries, men and women who believe nothing, who are in it for the game, or the profit, or the sheer kick of bending masses to their will.

Glenn Beck, who recoils when somebody actually readies for an attack on one of the "FEMA internment camps" he so cavalierly invented, who so cowers at the thought that he might get blamed, or might lose his precious and well-earned gold, that he actually has to plead with his viewers not to become new Timothy McVeighs…

Glenn Beck, says that… and then comes back three days later and jokes about -- poisoning the Speaker of the House. It is irresistible to you, isn't it?

It's the same thrill of irresponsibility, of caveman thought, of the drug addict who suddenly and joyously cares nothing about self-restraint.

Sobered momentarily into realizing the prospective outline of the horrible shape on the horizon -- soldiers wounded, shooter says she was liberating FEMA camp, says she saw Glenn Beck tell her to rise up and fight back' -- **awakened** to the idea that words you say on television have consequences which you cannot control, you plead, almost cry, for non-violence.

And yet within 72 hours the thrill again rises up in your blood and you cannot resist it, you must fantasize about murder, and by the very action of speaking it aloud, you enable others to join you in this neanderthalian ritual of violence to overcome the enemy -- whether the enemy is real, or imagined, or whether the enemy really isn't an enemy at all, just your neighbor, with a different point of view, who wants to talk about it, who wants to involve you in the decision even though it is his turn to steer and not yours, and even though you both know that some day our system will give you another turn to steer.

But ranting and crying and playing with toys on television, does not work, if you are advocating compromise and dialogue and thought. It works only for a mountebank making the promise of magic and power, with the underlying inherent threat of carnage and chaos.

And now you add you believe 'death panels' are real.

An idea so insane, which mainlines so directly back to the mercenary fantasies of the pathetic Betsy McCoy, that even Sarah Palin backed quickly away from them.

But what a scare tactic!

The big lie in the flesh.

Your dream come true.

Which is probably why, Mr. Beck, we have not lately heard much of your "9/12" groups.

Because there you had the germ of an idea, exploitative perhaps, but at its core, beneficial, calming, unifying, thoughtful: restore the sense of September 12th, 2001 -- not of dread or threat, but of collaboration, of meeting in the middle, of standing together under one flag and trying to improve the conditions of all Americans.

And then somebody from your 9/12 group told its members they should all go to the Health Care Reform Town Hall in Tampa, and break it up, and shout down anybody who disagreed with them, and scuffle with the police, and demand not discourse but disaster.

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Your work, Mr. Beck.

Your contribution to this..

God forgive you.

There are other instigators free in the land, nearly all of them, in effect, un-true believers.

Men intelligent enough to work their way up the political ladder in this country into the Senate of this nation, and yet suddenly foolish enough, or suddenly opportunistic enough…

… like Mr. Cornyn of Texas, to float conspiracy theories about the White House using Health Care Reform to try to compile an enemies list, one e-mail address at a time, when four years ago the same Senator was saying that the previous White House's pernicious, warrantless, illegal consumption of everybody's e-mail address, and everybody's e-mail, and everybody's websites, was defensible and justifiable because, quote, "none of your civil liberties matter much after you're dead."

And now pushing -- is Mr. Cornyn -- the supposedly independent analysis of the proposed Health Care reform by "The Lewin Group" that 119 million people would have to change their insurance -- Mr. Cornyn not knowing, or being paid not to know, that "The Lewin Group" is wholly owned by an Insurance Company, the way the Lewin Group gave Mr. Boehner and Mr. Cantor 60-thousand dollars apiece.

Wholly owned!

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Then there are the birthers, laughable from the moment they opened their mouths, proffering a conspiracy that somehow began with the placement of birth notices in two Hawaiian newspapers 48 years ago this month.

But people who do not want this president to be president will believe anything, and that is meat for fading commentators like…

…Lou Dobbs, whatever he actually believes.

Because the birther movement touches another essential part of the defective soul -- the need for an excuse.

For they need to convince themselves of an immense conspiracy, and place that conviction as a barrier between their actions, and the sad reality that they are not the victims of intricate machinations against freedom, but are just garden-variety, ordinary, racists -- that they can handle the most limited of integration only in theory.

They will take anything that will let them pretend that -- when they burst into tears and cry that they want their America back -- they are not asking for White Power, not asking that somebody make the black man in the White House go away.

There are other instigators, of course, so obvious, so careless -- knowing so well that anybody who desperately wants to believe lies, will not even notice the truth standing next to them wearing a big red sign.

Like the "just a Mom from a few blocks away" at the Wisconsin town hall, who didn't think anybody might google her name and find out she was really the ex-vice-chairman of the county GOP and part of the campaign of the Republican who lost to the Democrat whose town hall she was at that moment, helping to disrupt.

Like the smooth-talking hospital corporate titan, spreading millions around to enable the hate, knowing that none of the haters will ever realize that they have become prostitutes for the health care industries.

Like the people who propagated this widely-cut-and-pasted quote "line by line analysis" of the Health Care Reform Act -- one that saves Right Wingers the trouble of actually reading the bill.

This is where the fictions come from: that it's funding ACORN, that it guarantees free health care for illegal immigrants, mandates abortions, demands euthanasia.

If you read it without knowing the truth, you might shove the right-wingers out of the way at the Town Halls and start screaming yourself!

It seems to have been created by "The Liberty Counsel" -- an off-shoot of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University -- whose other big policy concern is... the attack on Christmas

And maybe the most brazen of them all.

That man at the Town Hall in Connecticut, carrying the "We don't want government run health care" sign, while still wearing his Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield shirt. You might think it was because he was too stupid to wear something a little less corporately-slavish. But given what those around him have read, they not only wouldn't care, they might even take comfort from the logo; that he could boast, and that they could hate under the auspices of, an actual, caring, friendly, ruthless insurance company.

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My words of course, are nothing to Mr. Anthem, or Mr. Cornyn or Mr. Dobbs or Ms. Blish or Mr. Scott or the others.

This is a job to them, and since we have placed a price tag on everything in this country, there is no soul-searching involved. You have a job. If it involves stirring up frightened people to defend the corporation against the citizen, well, you have a salary to earn and a family to feed.

The same rationalization that enables mob hit men to sleep at night.

But somewhere in those crowds of genuinely angry people, people who listen to Cornyn or Dobbs, or fantasize with Beck about poisoning their way to a Democrat-free world, or salivate like Pavlovian dogs at the sound of the shrill whistle from Sarah "Death Panel" Palin, somewhere in those crowds are some actual people with some actual brains still working and thinking and evaluating.

For God's sake, trust your instinct to think.

There are no death panels, there could never be. Were there steps taken towards them, I, and 99.9 percent of the people in this country, from the fiercest liberal to the most apolitical blob, would be standing next to you preventing their creation.

There are no plans to take your insurance away from you.

There will be no rationing of care.

There will be no Health Choices Commissioner and he will not be able to transfer money electronically out of your bank account.

There will be nobody coming into your house and telling you what to... eat.

There will be no euthanasia.

And the people to whom you are listening with half an ear, are telling you half the truth -- on a good day!

The euthanasia scare comes from something as benign as a proposal to let you put in for insurance if you **have** to consult a doctor about what to do if you or a loved one are fatally ill.

If you are where I was last March -- when I sat down with the doctors to talk about my mother, fatally ill, not awake, not aware -- the health care reform will now pay you back for the doctor's fee for that conversation. And it will pay, whether you decide to let your loved one go, or you insist to the doctor that they keep that dear one alive at all costs, to treat them for months or years or decades more.

And this part of this bill was originally co-sponsored by a Republican congressman.

And from that caring bi-partisan starting point, through her own paranoia or for her own political gain, Sarah Palin has invented the boogeyman of "death panels."

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Think, please.

Think, before something horrible happens.

As you move to bellow that which you know not to be true…

As you try to shout down a Congressman who is there to answer your concerns…

As, God forbid, you think there has been enough talking and not enough of something else…

Think... of how Lincoln closed his first Inaugural address, and remember that wise words stand the test of time:

"If it were admitted that you who are dissatisfied hold the right side in the dispute, there is still no single good reason for precipitate action.

"Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him who has never yet forsaken this favored land are still competent to adjust in the best way, all our present difficulty.

"In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow-countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue…

"The government will not assail you.

"You can have no conflict without being you yourselves the aggressors.

"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection.

"The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone, all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 11:02 am
WATCH: Physical Confrontation During Specter Town Hall Airs On Live TV


One man threatened the senator with God's wrath. "One day, God's gonna stand before you," he said. "And he's gonna judge you and the rest of your damn cronies up on the Hill, and then you can get your just deserts."
 

Arielle S. (113)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 11:06 am
BRAVO, Keith! If the rest of America had half the brain waves that Keith does, we would not be in such turmoil.
At least now we know there are a few THINKING people out there - thanks, Blue!
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 11:14 am
CONSERVATIVES SLAM PALIN ATTACK AS 'CRAZY'.... Newt Gingrich told a national television audience this morning that Sarah Palin's "death panel" argument is fair and legitimate. I should note, in fairness to other conservatives, that others on the right have not been as kind to the former Alaska governor.

On "Meet the Press" this morning, David Brooks called Palin's attack "crazy," adding that "the crazies are attacking the plan because it will cut off granny. That is simply not true, that simply is not going to happen."

Similarly, Rep. Jack Kingston (R) of Georgia, who no one has ever considered a moderate, told Bill Maher there's nothing to Palin's attack. "It's a scare tactic," Kingston said. "No question about it."

Even some political reporters who shy away from drawing firm conclusions have acknowledged the facts. The Washington Post's Dan Balz said this morning, "It's not the way to debate this bill, and it's another
example of Sarah Palin having difficulty figuring out how to enter into a serious debate about issues."

I've long wondered if there would be a point at which Sarah Palin went just a little too far for the political mainstream. A whole lot of political observers noticed the obvious lies, the cringe-worthy ignorance, the petty feuds, and the bizarre behavior, but wanted to maintain the fiction that Palin was a credible political figure. After all, John McCain wanted her to be one heartbeat from the presidency -- and 60 million Americans agreed.

Maybe, just maybe, her "death panel" message on Facebook -- complete with lies, poor writing, policy confusion, and family exploitation -- will be enough to convince the skeptical that Palin really is that far gone?

Timothy Egan: Palin’s Poison


With misinformation like the former governor's "death panel" post spreading at warp speed, anger, and even death threats, are no surprise.

 

Jim Phillips (2588)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 11:37 am
As I have said many times in the past referring Sarah Palin as "palinsane", do NOT give any credence to whatever she, "palinsane", says...

TY, Blue.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 12:07 pm



GEICO Pulls Its Ads From Glenn Beck Show
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 12:41 pm
Neil Cavuto calls Sarah Palin's words 'extreme': Things like "death panel" and "evil" destruct the debate
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 12:47 pm

Republican Protester With a Handgun Outside of President Obama's NH Town Hall


Do you think anybody would be allowed to be near President Bush who had a huge gun strapped on his leg? I doubt that, but this is the country the right wing wants us to live in. And if Sen. John Thune had his way, it wouldn't matter what NH law said...
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 1:40 pm
Handguns and Health Care Reform

Exhortations to the right wing base to take armed political action against the Obama administration are far from idle talk--but instead reflect a deeply developed ideology that has been actively promoted by the National Rifle Association and other gun lobby groups for the past 30 years. It holds that the Second Amendment provides individuals with the right to commit acts of violence against our government should it lapse into "tyranny," effectively making firearms "the tools of political dissent." Or as NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre put it at this year's Conservative Political Action Conference, "The guys with the guns make the rules."

The problem is that there are already a substantial number of well-armed Americans who believe our democratically-elected government has become oppressive. Indeed, last week Tea Partiers at a town hall meeting in Tampa, Florida, heckled Rep. Kathy Castor (D-FL) with repeated chants of "Tyranny!" Far from furthering democracy, however, these individuals have made important debate impossible, thereby limiting the political rights of all those who disagree with them.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 1:59 pm
that was soooo good -once again keith brings clarity to the whole -thank you so much blue:)
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 2:38 pm

Republican Apologist Lou Dobbs Sort Of Sorry For Saying Dean Could Be Stopped With "Stake Through His Heart"
CNN : Lou Dobbs is expressing some regret for referring to former Democratic National Committee Chair Howard Dean as a "bloodsucking leftist" who could only be stopped if one "put a stake through his heart."

I just contacted Lou Dobbs' advertisers and told them that Mr. Dobbs' irresponsible, inflammatory rhetoric has consequences.

One consequence is that I will no longer be purchasing their products.

Here is the list:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6205632
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 4:25 pm
Lobbyist-Run Group Americans for Prosperity Provides Talkings Points To ‘Birther’ At Rep. Perriello Town Hall
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 4:26 pm
Lobbyist-Run Group Americans for Prosperity Provides Talkings Points To ‘Birther’ At Rep. Perriello Town Hall
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday August 11, 2009, 5:40 pm
Whistleblower: Insurance firms behind town hall disruptionsWendell Potter, a former executive with health insurer Cigna who now works as the senior fellow on health care at the Center for Media and Democracy, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow that health insurance companies “are very much behind the town hall disruptions that you see and a lot of the deception that’s going on in terms of disinformation that many Americans, apparently, are believing.”

On her show Monday night, Maddow cited statistics from the Securities and Exchange Commission showing that profits at the US’s ten largest health insurance companies skyrocketed more than 400 percent between 2000 and 2007, from $2.4 billion in 2000 to $12.7 billion in 2007.

“Apparently while they quadrupled their profits, the number of Americans without health insurance grew by 19 percent,” Maddow said.

And she also pointed out that the average total take-home pay for the CEOs of those health insurance companies was $11.9 million each, per year, “while the number of Americans without health insurance, for whom a burst appendix can mean bankruptcy, has gone through the roof.”
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday August 12, 2009, 9:42 am
Man arrested at Obama event had loaded gunHeld in police custody; was also carrying pocket knife...
Stewart recalls conservative attacks on anti-war protesters
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday August 12, 2009, 11:37 am

Health Insurance Reform Reality Check
Get the facts about the stability and security you get from health insurance reform instead of listening to industry and right wing hype.


* Nice work from the LA Times fact-checking common health care claims. (thanks to reader T.C. for the tip)


For some factual info on Health Care Reform go to:
http://HealthActionNow.org
http://Healthcare­factcheck.­com

The only way to fight this is with facts
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday August 12, 2009, 2:24 pm
Obama-Nazi Sign Made By Ill Woman On Medicare

Outside, the gathering verged on a street brawl. The opposing forces lined up like screaming armies on either side of the street, about 1,000 people a side. Diane Campbell of Kingston, N.H., held a sign with Mr. Obama's face superimposed on a Nazi storm trooper, a sign, she said, that was made by her chronically ill mother.

Her mother's hereditary autoimmune disease is treated with expensive transfusions of gamma globulin, paid for by Medicare. Her sister, Louise, was born with no arms and one leg, and is also covered by Medicare, the government-run, health-insurance program for the elderly and disabled.

Read the whole story: Wall Street Journal
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday August 12, 2009, 2:59 pm

Professor Stephen Hawking Enters U.S. Health Care Debate
"I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the National Health Service," he told The Guardian. "I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday August 12, 2009, 8:19 pm
Backlash: More companies pull ads from Beck show
 

Barry B. (20)
Thursday August 13, 2009, 1:44 pm
I knew there was a reason I liked Keith. He just reminded me.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Thursday August 13, 2009, 1:59 pm

Professor Stephen Hawking Enters U.S. Health Care Debate
 

Mark G. (27)
Thursday August 13, 2009, 2:21 pm
Look people don't like this bill. I went to our townhall meeting. The vast majority of the attendees made it clear they did not want the bill currently in the house. These people weren't insurance plants, GOP hacks, or Glenn Beck clones. They aren't stupid or ignorant. The vast majority aren't violent or rude. They are just citizens.
In our townhall with 1500+ our congressman asked how many people do not think the current health care system needs some reform. Only 2 raised their hands. But they don't want to wholesale change the system nor do they want a lot more government involvement.
Most Americans have a basic (and healthy in my opinion) distrust of the government. They have seen how the government runs things from Social Security to the Post Office to wars. They don't believe government can be trusted any more than insurance companies can. Denigrating these people is the wrong approach precisely because they are regular people and it has totally backfired.
The house needs to start over on this bill. It doesn't need to be 1000+ pages. It needs to be understandable without the ambiguity that causes misunderstandings. Right now Obama is losing this debate and it isn't turning around it is going the other way. Sure the Democrats can pass it, but if they do the political capital that will be lost by both them and Obama will be severe and likely unrecoverable.
 

serge vrabec (253)
Thursday August 13, 2009, 3:32 pm
"Will I treat all humans as i would wish to be treated were OUR cicumstances reversed?? Is human happiness finally just a reflection of materiality, or also dependent upon the development of inner capacities that are non-material??? How America chooses to answer these questions lies at the HEART of who WE ARE to become".- Micheal sears- Makes a moral case for health and economic reform RIGHT NOW.

Thx Blue, you rock! :):):)
 

Jelica R. (84)
Thursday August 13, 2009, 4:52 pm
I could not access the page on crooksandliars.com
I found video on: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32387276#32365793
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Thursday August 13, 2009, 7:22 pm
'Death To Obama' Sign Holder Detained In Maryland
 

Deborah L. (3)
Thursday August 13, 2009, 8:22 pm
I find it ironic that those who have been disrupting the meeting with their unresearched lies are often the very same people who are benefiting from Medicare. The only party who I have heard talk about dissolving Social Security-cutting granny off- have been the Republican party since as long as I can remember, but especially when G.W. tried to change it in his first stolen term in office. If it was left up to the repubs, all of these people yelling at the meetings would have no income in their old age, let alone medical coverage. I say let them keep their paid medical insurance, but since they are so against "socialized medicine" take away their medicare/ medicaid and lets see what happens to them once they get really sick and how well their paid for medical coverage handles them. And BTW do not allow them the privilege of returning to their former not wanted "socialized medical coverage." As the song says, " You Got to be Cruel to be Kind."

As Obama stated, you can keep your old costly insurance or you can change to a more economical one, it is your choice. I guess that is what has confused them. Most of these right wing fringe have had the religious leaders tell them how to live and do things all of their lives and when Obama offered them a choice of two things they got confused. That may explain the uproar-they are panicked because maybe for the first time in their lives they may have to make a decision all on their own.

When I worked with the mentally handicapped, we were told to offer 2 choices at a time as by asking the clients to choose from more than 2 items at a time confused them. The same thing applied to these ignorant screaming me-me's.
 

Barry B. (20)
Friday August 14, 2009, 12:02 pm
No, Deborah, you don't "got to be cruel to be kind." Most of these elderly people who oppose "socialized medicine" don't even realize that Medicare/Medicaid are run by the government. This age group is the most susceptible to the right-wing propaganda machine. Taking away their Medicare would truly be a "death squad" maneuver. We don't throw the mentally challenged out onto the street just because they don't realize the government is paying for their care and they are easily frightened by shrill screaming. The insurance companies are manipulating them for their own greedy purposes; it's not their fault. Have a heart.
 

Krisjanis K. (0)
Friday August 14, 2009, 3:25 pm
SHOCKING LETTER I GOT!!!

should we better call it deathcare???

Date: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Subject: A doctors response to the Health Bill (GREAT)

This is a letter written by Dr. Stephen Fraser to Senator Bayh. If you would like to send it on to your Congressman, he says to feel free to copy it and send it around to our friends and to senators and representatives.

July 23, 2009

Senator Bayh,

I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Health card will be issued!

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your banks accounts for elective funds transfer.

Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example Translation: illegal aliens.

Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & AmeriCorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members your Health care WILL be rationed.

Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid.. No choice.

Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No judicial review against Govt Monopoly.

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (Salary)

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payrolls.

Page 150 Lines 9-13: Businesss with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesnt provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax Yes, it says that!

Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, youll all be paid the same!

Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctors time, profession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans.

Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS Cancer patients welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.

Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own!

Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.

Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!

Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy Tele-health Advisory Committee. Can you say HC by phone?

Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.

Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)

Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An advanced care planning consultant will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

Page 429 Lines 10-12: advanced care consultation may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!

Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life!

Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?

Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage?

Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.

Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.

Respectfully,

Stephen E Fraser MD
 

Barry B. (20)
Friday August 14, 2009, 3:58 pm
Krisjanis--Where have you been. All this nonsense was debunked a week ago. Read the related threads.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday August 15, 2009, 8:26 am
Barry ... RepubliCON$ are paid to post lies .... he probably got a lawn chair or a frisbee for that bunch of lies.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday August 15, 2009, 1:39 pm
* After all the fuss about every lawmaker reading every word of the health care bill, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R) of Kentucky opposes reform despite not having read the legislation.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday August 15, 2009, 2:29 pm
Where Do the Republican Health Care Lies Come From? Liberty Counsel Document
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Sunday August 16, 2009, 4:26 pm
WHITE HOUSE STILL BACKS PUBLIC OPTION
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Monday August 17, 2009, 10:55 am
Glenn Beck Loses Another Major Advertiser

Read the whole story: Media Matters for America

 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday August 18, 2009, 5:38 pm
WATCH: Man Who Brought Assault Rifle To Obama Rally Was Part Of Radio Stunt

The man with the semi-automatic (referred to in interviews as "Chris," no last name) was spotted at the protest by CNN news cameras, in the middle of a Q&A. Today, his interviewer -- Ernest Hancock of conservative talk radio show Declare Your Independence With Ernest Hancock -- went on CNN and explained to host Rick Sanchez that he and Chris were actually in the middle of a radio broadcast. Hancock, also packing heat at the rally, had invited Chris to come down the protest with his rifle to be interviewed. The two men had known each other for two years, through their work for presidential hopeful Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas).

During the segment on CNN, Rick Sanchez said, "the more we look into this, the more it appears that it was really planned." Hancock concurred: "Oh, it's more planned than you think." In addition to scheduling the interview, Hancock had also informed the local police force.

As the interview continued, Rick Sanchez loudly exclaimed, "This was a publicity stunt!"

"Oh absolutely," Hancock responded.

Sanchez pushed on, "isn't there something terribly disingenuous about putting people on like that? And isn't there also something a little bit... dangerous about playing these kinda games--"

"Oh, it's not a game," Chris interjected.

"---with what I imagine is a loaded weapon," Sanchez continued.....

Chris is also featured in a YouTube video produced by the libertarian group Freedom's Phoenix. In this video he expounds further on his right to bear arms. He also explains that he is "absolutely totally against health care... health care in this way, in this manner, stealing it from people. I don't think that's appropriate."
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday August 19, 2009, 2:12 pm
Phoenix police helped Obama gun-toters, radio host admits
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday August 22, 2009, 11:10 am

"Many promoters of health-care reform believe that people have an intrinsic ethical right to health care—to equal access to doctors, medicines and hospitals. While all of us empathize with those who are sick, how can we say that all people have more of an intrinsic right to health care than they have to food or shelter? Health care is a service that we all need, but just like food and shelter it is best provided through voluntary and mutually beneficial market exchanges. A careful reading of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution will not reveal any intrinsic right to health care, food or shelter. That's because there isn't any. This "right" has never existed in America."

Whole Foods CEO, John Mackey in arecent Wall Street Journal op-ed on health care.

Whole Foods Backlash & Boycott: Bloggers Outraged Over CEO's Anti-'ObamaCare' Column
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Friday August 28, 2009, 11:10 am
Veterans For Common Sense: Veterans demand an apology from the Republicans and FOX for lies about the VA
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Monday August 31, 2009, 2:24 pm

Republican Rep: We'll Repeal Health Care Reform If It Passes
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday September 1, 2009, 3:47 pm
Beck guest: Health reform may spark ‘black genocide’
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday September 2, 2009, 8:11 am
Pastor to Obama: Please Die, Now!


Pastor Steven Anderson prays for the death of President Obama. Have the politics of hate gone too far, or is Mr. Anderson an isolated case?"
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday September 2, 2009, 9:59 am
Why Glenn Beck, and Fox News, can't escape the "racist" trap

Have so many blue-chip advertisers ever fled a program as quickly as the who's who of corporate America that's sprinted away from Glenn Beck in recent weeks? I certainly cannot recall ever seeing a mass exodus of this scale. The A-list collection of disgruntled Beck advertisers is staggering: Applebee's, AT&T, Bank of America, Best Buy, Campbell Soup...[Read more] [Low bandwidth link]
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday September 2, 2009, 11:47 am
Author: Bachmann, Beck actively trying to get Obama killed
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday September 2, 2009, 5:38 pm
When it comes to healthcare, there is no lie a conservative will not tell.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Friday September 4, 2009, 1:28 pm
Beck's Visual Analysis Beck is in very dangerous territory here.
 

Marion Y. (286)
Thursday September 24, 2009, 3:50 am
Hanged [Kentucky] Census worker had 'fed' on chest

He was hung on September 12.

I wonder what Rep. Michelle "I'm refusing to fill out the census" Bachman (R-MN) thinks about this hanging?

This comes after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi expressed worry that something terrible would come from the right-wing rhetoric and frenzy of the tea baggers...and the republicans laughed at her.

What has this got to do with Glenn Beck, the Tea Baggers and the frenzy of lies?

Everything. This is where the right-wing talking heads are leading the village idiots to violence and murder.
 
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