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Why Right-Wingers Can't Stop Saying Insane Things About Women and Rape


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Kit
- 537 days ago - alternet.org
There are reasons why extremists with little regard for women's social equality feel empowered to say whatever comes to mind.



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Kit B. (277)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 8:14 am
(Photo Credit: Sarah Seltzer)

Another week, another offensive comment about women, sex, consent and abortion. We’re getting numb to it by now; a candidate or public figure says something alarming that shows a basic misunderstanding of female anatomy, the nature of rape or the realities of abortion. Everyone gets upset, the person in question semi-backtracks, we realize how awful his policy agenda is, and then the next comment comes down the pipeline.

This has been the year of “aspirin between the knees” and “legitimate rape,” the month of “some girls rape easy” and the awful, false claims that pregnancies are never life-threatening from Rep. Joe Walsh (even after his colleague testified about her own life-threatening pregnancy on the House floor last year). This is the year that women in the military "should expect to be raped," the year of “abortions on women who aren’t pregnant” zombie myth, the year of maybe we should reconsider incest exceptions to abortion bans . And now we have Richard Mourdock saying pregnancy by rape is "God’s will. ”

So here’s the question: why do they keep saying these things? It’s 2012, and these statements about rape, abortion and sex are actually really energizing for their opposition--they pull middle-of-the road voters away from the group they see as “extreme” and toward Democrats, who seem more reasonable, understandable and moderate on social issues. So why does ill-advised stream-of-consciousness ranting continue?

1. They really and truly believe this stuff . (They also don’t believe in the considerable evidence that refutes it.) For years, many vocal pro-choicers have been saying that the bulk of contemporary anti-choice ideology is more motivated by misogyny and the desire to shame and punish sexually active women than by concern for the potential life of an embryo or fetus--thus the lack of interest from this faction in childcare, education, maternal health, maternal leave policy, etc.

That sturdy link between anti-choice advocacy and misogyny also explains why so many casual, women-hating comments come out of the mouths of these guys. This is their doctrine, their bread and butter. Also, these are the same people who don’t trust things like facts and figures. They deny the realities of climate change and fight the teaching of evolution--so the science on women’s health is hardly going to convince them.



Even more insidious than these casual connections is the fact that many of those making offensive comments are hardline movement anti-choicers. Just this week Todd Akin’s ties to an anti-abortion militia were revealed , along with his history of multiple arrests protesting clinics.

2. They’re emboldened by the Tea Party and the war on women. This is a story we at AlterNet, particularly Adele Stan, have been telling for a long time. The extreme, socially conservative, right-wing faction of the GOP used to be kept somewhat at bay by the Washington insider, fiscally conservative faction. Not so anymore. The Tea Party has allowed all of the uglier ideas that used to be swept aside, from racist birther conspiracy theories to those other theories about legitimate rape into the light. And it isn’t pretty.

3. They’re in denial about the dangers women--and all of us--face . It’s no coincidence that Akin's “legitimate rape” comment and Joe Walsh’s absurd claim that no pregnancies can be medically life-threatening are classic examples of making up facts to suit a preexisting argument. Mourdock’s comments, on the other hand, are another kind of denial, a paper-thin religious assurance that the bad things that happen are part of a plan. The reality is twofold: first, issues like rape, incest and life-threatening pregnancies are the kinds of complexities that make the case for legalized abortion for all women, because each person’s case and situation is different, because we can’t stand in each other's shoes.



Second, however, mainstream liberals have been too quick to turn to these examples of dire situations to justify abortion. "But rape and incest and life of the mother!" we cry. When we move into that territory, they do not cede it to us--they attack us on it. So now rape victims are being targeted. We shouldn't be surprised. Instead of acknowledging the real dangers and complications in our lives, right-wingers invent made-up terrors that rob women of agency, like abortion providers who operate on women who aren’t even pregnant, a particularly bizarre myth.

4. They haven’t been punished by voters yet. The Tea Party swept in in 2010. The war on women began in January 2011. There has been no ballot-box pushback against this ideology yet, and it’s unclear whether there will be a strong enough effort to send a message that such statements, and the policy that goes with it, is not okay. But what we’ve witnessed is two years of an assumed mandate, in which extremists with little regard for women’s social equality have felt empowered to say whatever comes to their minds.
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pam w. (187)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 9:02 am
Maybe their fantasies of power over women have something to do with it?
 

Sue H. (7)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 9:13 am
Why haven't they been punished by the voters yet??? Come On Ladies, Vote the Zealots OUT!
 

Arielle S. (313)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 9:31 am
I have to wonder how Mr. Moudock - or any of them - would feel if it was their wife or daughter who was raped and got pregnant - would they still consider it a gift of God?
 

Kit B. (277)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 10:37 am

I'm not a religious person and even I consider this an insult to the god that is supposed to be love. This article is correct, though some may attempy to justify this thinking it has no place in the Congress.

What does Mr Murdock propose as a means of child-support for these children? If the mother must quit school for the baby how will she earn a living? I wonder what god has shared with him about the total reality of this proposal?

If one thinks about this, the pregnancy is nothing more than the criminal leaving behind some DNA, next jump to person that shoots you in a robbery. Is that bullet then also a gift from god? Shouldn't that bullet be left in the body? I do wish we had some medical cure for stupid, intolerant bigots.
 

Brian M. (142)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 2:35 pm
Good article. Noted. It is the nature of patriarchy to discount or deny women's suffering.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 2:57 pm
4. They haven’t been punished by voters yet.-!! Sue already pointed to it.
Send the jerks all together to the "shame room" (remember the banned Doomesbury cartoons ?!) lock it up and throw away the key.
This Focus article today also has a good summary of this GOP issue.
The Real Republican Rape Platform
Thx Kit, good summary
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 3:00 pm
4. They haven’t been punished by voters yet.-!! Sue already pointed to it.
Send the jerks all together to the "shame room" (remember the banned Doomesbury cartoons ?!) lock it up and throw away the key.
This Focus article today also has a good summary of this GOP issue.
The Real Republican Rape Platform
Thx Kit, good summary
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 3:04 pm
sorry- have tried to avoid this, but just couldn't wait any londer so it happened- tough..
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 3:09 pm
from that Focus article:Underlying the Republican rape comments and actual Republican political goals are a few fundamental convictions: first, women are vessels for childbearing and care-taking; second, women cannot be trusted; and third, women are the property of men.
Back to the dark age ladies, yeah, how we love it.
 

Kit B. (277)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 3:52 pm

Actually I think it goes in this order:

1) women are the property of men

2) woman's task is to care for the man

3) the primary function of women is child bearing

4) women like young children, cannot be trusted
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 4:24 pm
looks more logical, yes. (perhaps the author is mother of a dozen?)
 

Carrie B. (279)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 4:30 pm
I will try to stay on topic here, but forgive me if I stray.

In 1960 I was still a child, but a very Catholic child attending Catholic school. I remember the commentary about Kennedy and if he were elected, the Pope would be running the U.S. Even an 11 year old Catholic school girl had questions about that.

Here we are 52 years later allowing an unfriendly religious right try to dictate and impose their beliefs on this country. These are the same people who scream foul when Islamist extremists try to impose their personal religious beliefs and interpretations of the Koran on countries in the middle east. I call this hypocrisy.

For all those out there who keep saying our country was founded on religion - it was not! Our country was founded on religious freedom and the separation of church and state. Personally, I don't care what any candidates personal religious beliefs are, or if they even any. I do care when those already in public office and those running, decide they should not only try to change a person's personal beliefs, but have stated that if elected they will govern on that personal and religious belief. That is not only unacceptable to me as person, but it is not what our Founding Fathers intended for this new country.

Like so many women, I am a rape survivor. Had I become pregnant I don't know what would have happened to me because this was long before Roe v Wade. It appears that many in my age group have forgotten what this country was like before women had a voice in their own personal reproductive rights. Fortunately, I have met some on care2 who remember.

If we allow religious extremists to take over our country, why should we have a problem with a different group of religious extremists take over other countries?

One last point I must make is to those women on the extreme right who say, "Oh, Romney wouldn't really do that" Don't bet your personal rights and freedoms on that one! Romney has proven that he will say and do whatever is necessary to appease those who hold the purse strings. Women have shown that their rights and powers can and do elect U.S. presidents! The republican party would like nothing better than to start taking those rights and powers away, so they can once again be in control of this country.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 5:17 pm

Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Carrie because you have done so within the last week.
 

JL A. (269)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 6:33 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Sue because you have done so within the last week.
You cannot currently send a star to Arielle because you have done so within the last week.
You cannot currently send a star to Brian because you have done so within the last week.
You cannot currently send a star to Angelika because you have done so within the last week.
You cannot currently send a star to Carrie because you have done so within the last week.
And last but not least, You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last week. You all have covered things well and set off a tsunami of emotions that leaders shouldn't do if they are actually honoring their oaths of office to represent all of their constituents.
 

Kit B. (277)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 7:05 pm

Well Carrie, that just about covers it all. I do wish I could send you a galaxy of green stars. I do remember those days. I remember the "girls homes" it was expected that all girls would just surrender their children. It was accepted that rape was some how the woman's fault, and rape was even more rarely reported. How in the hell did we end up right back here?

I do not understand this mind set and to be honest I don't want to understand these people. This about power and control of women by insecure and impotent men. Women that reject their own rights, those so hard fought for by so many are not the kind of women I want to know. Recasting this as being only about "pro-life" is totally mis-characterizing what this is about. As long as THEY are allowed to make this about being for or against life, then the debate is not a debate it's folly. This about many things. that women and only women can decide about their bodies, that women are entitled to make those decisions for themselves, that women deserve the same health care as any man. That women should be paid for equal time, equal qualifications, means equal pay. This also about getting this completely out of politics, these are personal decisions that do not belong in any political body of men.
 

Carrie B. (279)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 7:50 pm
Thank you Kit! So important to know that a few out there really do understand. Many green stars to you also.
 

Kit B. (277)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 7:56 pm

Oh yeah, I understand. It's the crazy others that do not understand.
When people talk to god it's called praying, when god talks to them it's called Schizophrenia.

From Angelika:

Dear GOP candidates and party members,

I'm going to give you some free campaign advice: stop talking about rape.

The latest Republican rape commentary comes from Romney-endorsed Indiana senatorial candidate Richard Mourdock, who tells us:

"I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."

Cue outrage, then cue "apology" from Mourdock – not for his comments, but for "any interpretation other than what I intended". National Republican senatorial committee chairman John Cornyn voiced his support for Mourdock and added that he also believes "life is a gift from God."

I would hate for Mr Mourdock to think I'm misinterpreting him here, so let's be clear about what he said: he did not say that rape is a gift from God. He did say that an unwanted pregnancy is a post-rape goodie bag from the Lord. And that the Lord intended it to happen that way.

Perhaps God should rethink his delivery system. And perhaps Mourdock should rethink his interpretation of divine will.

What this umpteenth rape comment tells us isn't that the Republican party has a handful of unhinged members who sometimes flub their talking points. It reveals the real agendas and beliefs of the GOP as a whole.

These incidents aren't isolated, and they aren't rare. Sharron Angle, who ran for a US Senate seat out of Nevada, said she would tell a young girl wanting an abortion after being raped and impregnated by her father that "two wrongs don't make a right" and that she should make a "lemon situation into lemonade". Todd Akin said victims of "legitimate rape" don't get pregnant – an especially confusing talking point, if God is giving rape victims the gift of pregnancy. Maybe God only gives that gift to victims of illegitimate rape?
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Kathy Chadwell (371)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 8:12 pm
I worry about women's rights,, I worry about women's safety from all the psychos these days.
Glad to see Obama on the job on this one.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gUDloAkj_IDLgN0S7s0TwrxPTMEQ?docId=CNG.7ed8671232e8217d33c817d4bde7d8f2.71
NY cop arrested for plotting to kidnap, eat women

By Sebastian Smith (AFP) – 1 hour ago

NEW YORK — A New York police officer allegedly plotted to kidnap up to 100 women, roast them in his oven or over a fire, and eat them, federal authorities said.
 

Carrie B. (279)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 8:24 pm
I do pray and talk to God. He never answers except in the form of my own personal convictions and beliefs. I really do like the God I have known most of my life. Those who say God is "speaking" to them should be held suspect. My God wants me to be a good and just person, not a follower of one certain belief system that is unfair, unjust, and contrary to love and justice for all. That is not was I was taught as a Catholic, nor what it is I believe today.
 

Craig Pittman (44)
Friday October 26, 2012, 4:54 am
I wonder if all the right-wing men who hold such views would be happier in a special little world of their own without women.
How much better a world this would be if the right got a clear message on election day. This is the time to tell them their views are totally unacceptable. Please everyone - be sure to register your convictions by voting.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Friday October 26, 2012, 5:25 am
Craig, you can stop wondering, the answer is a clear NO. They only suppress what they actually desire.
To not go completely insane over their conflict they need this sort of rethoric and some even need stronger action than just words. The article by Lynn Parramore (see my post Why Does Sexual Hypocrisy Flourish on the Right?http://www.care2.com/news/member/153110506/3472845) gives a pretty reasonable explanation using the example of Dinesh D'Souza and others.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday October 26, 2012, 5:48 am
woman under religion are the slave of the slave...

http://youtu.be/ZJO3HoqInQ0
life has value beyond measure
Peace and Love
 

Kit B. (277)
Friday October 26, 2012, 8:36 am

Some real quotes that fit well into our current insane political climate:

U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock (R-IN), in a debate last night: "Even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."

Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL), to reporters last week: "With modern technology and science, you can't find one instance" of an abortion necessary to save a woman's life. "There is no such exception as life of the mother, and as far as health of the mother, same thing."

Vice presidential nominee, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), mocking women's issues to a group of conservative donors: "Now it's a war on women; tomorrow it's going to be a war on left-handed Irishmen or something like that."

Presidential candidate, Gov. Mitt Romney, asked earlier this month whether insurance companies should be required to cover contraception: "Well it's a question as to, should you get a car painted, you know, red or blue. I mean you can decide which you'd like."

These are real quotes. These are real beliefs. This is real danger.

Very often these are followed by an apology, explaining that the statement was taken out of context, or that it was misunderstood. These people are professional politicians, these apologies are hollow, these men and occasionally women, are not making a mistake they are attempting to rouse the base and appeal to the more moderate voter, with an empty apology. In other words ...LYING.

These are radical ideas, that is if you actually believe that the United States was formed with freedom and human rights as the primary agenda of the founders. They could not possibly be expected to see what the future would bring, what issues would be important in the twenty first century. They gave us a document to use as a guide, and we have. What we have not done was bring religion to Washington DC with the furor we see today, politicians once clearly understood that their personal, private issues do not belong as the basis for laws. We need to remember that, if we are to continue to have any form of personal freedom.

There are those who express views very different from my own, I am very glad they have the right to do so,
 

Gene Jacobson (233)
Friday October 26, 2012, 12:20 pm
"1. They really and truly believe this stuff . (They also don’t believe in the considerable evidence that refutes it.)"

These are the same people who do NOT believe in actual science. And think the world was created 6,000 years ago.

"2. They’re emboldened by the Tea Party and the war on women. "

The Tea Party. That group so well known for its educational and business achievements. And their complete inability to consider, talk about or listen to any view which contradicts their own which is based on how they feel, not on facts, science or actual experience. The group which wishes to impose its view on all issues on all others while loudly proclaiming that they are all about free choices. But only if they conform to the Tea Party agenda. Okay.

"3. They’re in denial about the dangers women--and all of us--face."

Yes, they are. They are, I think, classic sociopaths, unable to spell let alone understand the word empathy. These are people who have never been exposed to the underbelly of life that most of us live in or near. It is hard to worry about criminals and rapists when you live in a gated community or one where anyone not like you is stopped by the police, or your private security, for merely driving near your community. Of course, they don't get it, it has never touched their lives in any way. No one they know has ever been a victim of violent crime so it is just not a reality to them. They are spoon fed "appropriate" news from the day they were born and nothing touches them from birth to death but silk and satin and they have to put up with those burly bodyguards but then, they are more like their nanny since they are with them at all times. They can't even see highway accidents through those dark tinted limo windows. How could they understand life as the rest of us know it when they have never been exposed to it?

"4. They haven’t been punished by voters yet. The Tea Party swept in in 2010. The war on women began in January 2011."

They campaigned on lies. They talked about nothing but the economy, they fooled the American people into believing them. We have since seen two legislative sessions at the national and local level in which they have not worked on jobs at all, they have worked on the war on women, abortion and voter suppression in order that they might forever control the government of this republic. But now, this is the first election since they "swept" into office and the American people know them for what they truly are: bigoted relics of the 19th century whose creed is dollars before people, at all times and in all ways. This election will find their majority swept right back out the door they came through. Because American's don't like bigoted liars and these have shown us their souls through these past two years and they are indeed dark and twisted. They should be setting up the moving vans now, for the trip back to the Hamptons or whatever other slime covered rock they crawled out from under, because their reign of terror ends very soon.
 

Christopher Fowler (84)
Friday October 26, 2012, 2:10 pm
The religious wrong has a long and, sometimes bloody, history of imposing their religion on others.

Carrie, I wish I could send you a green star, but I already have done so this week.

I remember my mother telling me about her aunt being forced to learn to write right-handed (she was left-handed by nature). They actually tied her left hand behind her back to prevent her from writing with that hand. At that time they still actually were dumb enough to believe that being left-handed was a sign of the devil (a concept held over from the dark ages).

We do NOT need to return to that world; it was backward, barbaric and completely unenlightened, where injustice and heresy laws ruled even over kings.

This country was founded on more important principles; more enlightened principles than that. We have had some bumps along that road and we are still having them, but at least it is based on something better than what we had before our founders wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
 

Janet R. (34)
Friday October 26, 2012, 4:19 pm
Carrie B. - thank for your comment; you are 100% on target. Sent you a green star, would send more if I could. These people have forgotten history. If history is lost, it will be repeated. We have to fight like cats and dogs to get Obama re-elected and keep control of the Senate.
 

pam M. (98)
Friday October 26, 2012, 4:24 pm
Mormon - LDS Young Womans Manual 1 Chapter 8 - sounds a bit like the GOP hypocrisy above

•What roles did we promise to Heavenly Father that we would accept before we came to earth? (We would marry and have a family.)

President Kimball cautioned, “Do not … make the mistake of being drawn off into secondary tasks which will cause the neglect of your eternal assignments such as giving birth to and rearing the spirit children of our Father in Heaven” (Ensign, Nov. 1979, pp. 102–3). [Note: Ensign is an official LDS magazine]

Understanding the Value of Our Roles

Teacher presentation

Point out that the worldly view of women’s roles is false partly because it is selfcentered. It focuses so much on a woman’s rights to receive that it almost ignores her opportunities to give. ...

Explain that if we believe that life as a wife and mother is routine and boring, it will be. But if we can understand our divine purposes and realize the great potential we have, our role will take on greater meaning than any other task in this world. By cheerfully and enthusiastically supporting our husbands and by bearing, nurturing, and teaching righteous spirits, we can experience the greatest fulfillment.

Discussion

•How can a clear understanding and righteous attitude toward the roles of wife and mother bless our lives?
•How will the attitude we have toward these roles influence us the rest of our lives?
•How can the teachings of the Lord and his servants about our roles help protect us from the dangers of adopting worldly attitudes?

Role of Wife and Helpmate

Scripture

Ask the young women to read Doctrine and Covenants 25:5, 14, 16, which records the Lord’s instructions to Emma Smith [My note: Emma was the first of some 30+wives, some also married to other living men of church founder and First Prophet Joseph Smith]. Explain that this counsel to comfort our husband with a humble attitude can be given to all women.

Teacher presentation

A woman should never minimize the tremendous power of being a comfort and help to her husband. He may have need to be comforted and encouraged to perform his roles as husband, provider, leader, or teacher. [My Note: So the poor boys are forced into their roles, as well. And. They. Will. Like. It.] ...

Point out that if we have the proper attitude toward our role as wife and helpmate, we too can have great influence for good in the lives of our future husbands, regardless of their station in life. We should never underestimate how important women are as wives. ...

Quotations and discussion

President David O. McKay said: “Motherhood is near to divinity. It is the highest, holiest service to be assumed by [a woman]” (in Conference Report, Oct. 1942, pp. 12–13).

•How does this statement by a prophet of God strengthen our attitudes toward our roles?
•How can understanding such statements from the Lord’s prophets help us avoid the worldly attitude of some women that being a mother is a chore and burden and takes away personal freedom?

Explain that motherhood teaches us to be more loving and to learn to sacrifice. [My note: this seems to plainly suggest that other roles don't require that women sacrifice. I wonder if a mother in the military called away from her children would be considered to be sacrificing.]

President Spencer W. Kimball said:

“Young women should plan and prepare for marriage and the bearing and rearing of children. It is your divine right and the avenue to the greatest and most supreme happiness” (“Privileges and Responsibilities of Sisters,” Ensign, Nov. 1978, p. 103). ...

Conclusion

Quotation and optional handout

President Spencer W. Kimball has given us this encouragement:

“To be a righteous woman is a glorious thing in any age. To be a righteous woman during the winding up scenes on this earth, before the second coming of our Savior, is an especially noble calling. The righteous woman’s strength and influence today can be tenfold what it might be in more tranquil times. She has been placed here to help to enrich, to protect, and to guard the home—which is society’s basic and most noble institution” (Ensign, Nov. 1978, p. 103). -- LDS Young Womans Manual 1 Chapter 8
 

Dandelion G. (403)
Friday October 26, 2012, 4:45 pm
Carrie, I'm so sorry you had that terrible experience and this is what these "men" who push their ignorant ideas on to women, when they don't have to walk in our shoes. What is worse is these women who are even more sorrowful that they support that ignorance. I wish they'd all climb back under the rocks from which they crawled out of.
 

Kit B. (277)
Friday October 26, 2012, 5:00 pm

That sounds like some kind of mind control seminar. Jeesh! That is some scary stuff. Stepford women?
 

Jim Phillips (3205)
Friday October 26, 2012, 5:21 pm
The entire g o p puke and teabagger party are so thoroughly constipated that they can no longer
poop properly as they are so full of crap.

One thing is for certain, rape is "Wonderful" per numerous g o p / teabaggers pols. Seems that they all need
to get raped in order to understand what rape really is all about. Maybe to their families...

Any woman who votes for the g o p ticket of Rmoney and Lyin' Ryan will only be slitting their own throats
in the years to come.

Friend of mine who lives near Salt Lake says that the MoreMoney Church is asking (forcing) all MoreMoney
Members vote for Rmoney or else... Whether that is true or not, seems to resonate as believable...

Ty, Kit.
.
 

Kit B. (277)
Friday October 26, 2012, 5:26 pm

I can honestly say that most women, if you really get to know them, have had a life altering experience of rape or sexual assault. Most will never report this and many will rarely if ever tell others what happened to them. That is what society teaches us over and over, shut up and go away. That and the ever present, if it happened it must be your fault. NO, it is not the fault of any woman. Rape and sexual assault are both criminal acts, they are the fault of the perpetrator not the victim.
 

june t. (62)
Friday October 26, 2012, 6:13 pm
On the other hand, they do provide a lot of material for Jon Stewart and Mr. Colbert, which I've been enjoying
 

Roger M. (0)
Saturday October 27, 2012, 12:18 am
From over here across the pond, it's extraordinary to us that so many Americans, and so many American women, are prepared to vote for this lot.

How are they even remotely in the contest when they come up with stuff like this?

It's baffling to us.
 

wendy webber (31)
Saturday October 27, 2012, 6:52 am
Oh boy.....I have so much to say about these topics that I am not sure what to write, this side of a 40 volume set of books.@Kit, in the 40 yrs that I have worked with women,men,adolescents, and children, I can unfortunately tell you that the #'s that HAVE NOT been sexually abused,raped, etc....are definitely in the minority(you were right). I found this quite shocking and a sad commentary on how some folks think about others.I think a piece of the problem is the old stand by called Entitlement. Kind of like what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine also.The dribble that has come out of these $2 haircut men (borrowing a phrase Tina Fey used) is beyond disgusting.Seems like men who "think" like this want to be "the go to people" of the planet. The ones who knows what's best...for everyone else they say..yet it really is about themselves and their own self-promotion.It's about slavery in its most insidious form.Marriage was created not as a sacred thing but as a means of protecting the property rights of the father. HMMMMMMMM........I too, remember the days before pro-choice,and battered womens shelters etc....all of these issues that are being poo-pooed do much damage to the human soul that survives it.I think these idiots are afraid of losing their power, so they are upping the anti. and you know what? I think we need to take it from them. Kit you mentioned Stepford Women....that is exactly what i thought too.If we are burdened by too many children to care for,no way to make a living wage, no healthcare, no education, no, no, no......we are no better off than serfs.I, for one, am not going back.
 

Mitchell D. (123)
Saturday October 27, 2012, 7:39 am
Thank you Sarah, and whomever posted this on Care2.
These people are like the clowns who "KNOW" that aliens visit, walk among us and do nefarious things to humans.
Unfortunately, the inner world of thoughts and ideas, of these folks, totally divorced from external reality, is set in fundamentalist stone, and, by definition, is not teachable. To love one's neighbor, to these folks, requires that that neighbor be as pure as the proverbial driven snow, an impossibility; and in their black and white world, they then are entitled to punish and shame the other.
 

Linda h. (86)
Saturday October 27, 2012, 9:36 am
Where are our usual sock puppets? There are 13 Senate candidates running today who believe all this horror. How many of us know which ones they are?
 

Kit B. (277)
Saturday October 27, 2012, 10:43 am

I'm not sure I do know all of them. Of course there is Romney and Ryan - Texas Senator John Cronyn not a candidate, candidates: Todd Akin, Tommy Thompson, Ted Cruz, Richard Murdock, maybe Jeff Flake from AZ, John McCain supports this but is not running. It's safe to support the outrageous when you are not in the race.
 

Lois Jordan (54)
Saturday October 27, 2012, 4:38 pm
Noted, thanks, Kit. So many great comments & so few green stars left to send. And, thank you, Pamela for the info on the Mormon church. I hope this Morlock, (not a typo), goes down in flames. We must all oust these members of the American Taliban and prevent more from getting congressional seats. Guess it's time for another Women's Revolution.
 

Kit B. (277)
Saturday October 27, 2012, 4:43 pm

Oh yeah, Lois it's time for another Woman's Revolution, just a little different this time. Morlock, Mordouche...he is a jerk.
 

Robert O. (12)
Sunday October 28, 2012, 4:46 pm
Thanks Kit.
 
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