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Republican Lawmaker Wants to Jail Rape Victims for Ending Pregnancies

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A New Mexico lawmaker has proposed that the fetus is evidence and terminating it could cost women three years in jail.

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Kit B (276)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 12:05 pm

Of all the incredibly stupid and mean anti-woman, anti-freedom proposals this one is in the top five. It took the mind of vicious, deceitful, aggressively anti-woman - woman to come up with this proposed legislation. Next? Maybe sell women to the highest bidder.

Sylvia Wulf (15)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 12:16 pm
How sick can the GOP get? This boggles my mind :-(

Kit B (276)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 12:21 pm

This is a gambit to side step Roe-v-Wade. The same "evidence" can be obtained from the aborted fetus.

Carrie B (306)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 12:36 pm
I know a lot of very angry women in New Mexico ~ I'm one of them! This is outrageous!

Barbara F (47)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 12:43 pm
This is an all time low for republicans, not to mention it's a woman! I'm embarrassed that she even THINKS she can breath the same air that I do! This is the most disturbing thing I've heard in years and they (republicans) have done some pretty disgusting things!

Alice C (1797)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 12:44 pm
The law maker should be required to pay all costs of shelter, food, clothing and college education
for any children born to rape victims ! !

Kit B (276)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 12:52 pm

I think it's more about the simple human right to decide about your own body. If there were a government program to cover all expenses that too becomes another "back door" for making any abortion illegal.

Terry King (113)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 12:58 pm
Each time a Republican lawmaker proposes a new level stupidity I'm sure that they have hit bottom.... I'm always disappointed!

Angelika R (143)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 12:59 pm
Fully agree with Barbara F. -So, what are you all going to do about it? Where are all the petitions demanding she reverse that incredible "error". This just CANNOT go through.

Vallee R (280)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 1:00 pm
Can believe it happened in NM. Sick!

Gene J (290)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 1:02 pm
“Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime.

In other words, Brown just said to rape victims: give birth to this baby or you’ll go to jail."

The pro "lifers" just never stop coming up with new and creative ways to deny a woman's right to choose, guaranteed her under Roe -v- Wade. But this attempt will never pass constitutional muster because not only does it violate the terms SCOTUS set in Roe -v- Wade, it also violates the 5th amendment, which any woman accused of violating this "statute, if it ever becomes one for a little while until invalidated by a court" when asked if she had had an abortion could simply exercise her right under the 5th amendment and refuse to answer because the answer might tend to incriminate her and that can't happen. So it is dead in the water before it ever becomes a "viable" statute. I wonder if we could charge this legislator with having killed an unborn law? She is certainly guilty of being a fool, albeit a rather devious one.

Rose Becke (141)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 1:03 pm
I am speechless and outraged Thanks Kit

Yvonne White (229)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 1:04 pm
The only thing that surprises me about this is that RepubliCONs finally put it in would be jailing women who have miscarriages, whether they knew they were pregnant or not, for criminal negligence or something..and of course addicts & alcoholics are already at the mercy of state laws, but surely good Reich-wing Christians will want "those people" jailed when pregnant to Protect the fetus (and toss mother & child After birth)..:(

Lynn S (235)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 1:05 pm
This is absolutely outrageous! The woman is victimised by the rapist, and then by the state. Next we'll hear that the rapist has the right to charge the woman he raped with murder if she has an abortion.

Is this the 21st century in the US? Despicable!

Yvonne White (229)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 1:14 pm
The War on Women has escalated...where do RepubliCONs FIND these Palin-wanna-bes? Scientology boats? Or do they have cult communes they grow them in????

Nancy M (197)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 1:25 pm
That is just disgusting that anyone would think that. And technically (though a bit repugnant), if the idea is that the fetus is evidence of a crime, than one can certainly save the tissue for DNA testing.

You're right that it does make Todd Akin and my favorite loser- Richard Mourdock- look reasonable.

JL A (281)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 1:37 pm
Outrage is an understatement!

Angelika R (143)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 1:51 pm
The article's author is the same who wrote about Kentucky persecuting atheists and THIS time I am glad she showed her outrage more clearly by spelling out the f- word!

Yvonne White (229)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 1:57 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Angelika because you have done so within the last week.

Vicky P (476)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 2:10 pm
disgusting, I can't believe anyone would want this

pam w (139)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 2:29 pm
This is just a FEINT....some kind of RED HERRING....a preliminary offer so ridiculous that she'll look less demented when she proposes what she REALLY wants.

I sincerely hope her ovaries itch unbearably for the rest of her life!

Thomas P (280)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 2:37 pm
Noted. How shameful and disgusting. Apparently this legislator wants to see to it that a woman who chooses to terminate a pregnancy from a rapist is victimized anew. If that doesn't epitomize being heartless, I don't know what does.

divergent r (309)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 3:07 pm
I'll get back to this. FURIOUS
Wanna pick my words

AWAY AWHILE Cal M (1067)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 3:12 pm
Absolutely ridiculous and devoid of compassion and humanity.

Pat B (356)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 3:15 pm
Surely there are more intelligent women/men representatives in the state of NM who will make sure that this proposed legislation, House Bill 206, will NOT pass.! This is extremely cruel for Brown to treat victims of rape or incest in this manner. The rapist/abuser should be the one in jail, not the woman.!!! Thank you, Kit for this. Passing this on.

Ness F (211)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 3:15 pm
Speechless, ropable, disgusted, outraged! Pam I love the itchy ovary comment, only thing that made me smile after reading this. Thank you Kit.

MarietteAWAY G (175)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 3:16 pm
Punish women who had the audacity to get themselves raped???? Have they totally gone mad? I so agree with you Thomas! Thanks Kit!

Agnes N (703)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 3:25 pm
Thanks Kit..

Cher C (1430)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 3:34 pm


Thnx for posting this sweetie!


Past Member (0)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 3:57 pm
PETITIONS???? This is even more outrageous than what they are doing in Mississippi and Kansas. Thanks Kit.

Naoko i (264)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 4:11 pm
No words...

Carrie B (306)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 4:35 pm
Fortunately, Brown is now backing down ~ saying the printer made a mistake in the bill she did not notice ~ RIGHT!

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 4:44 pm
Yes, I hope she reads the comment I left for her and I do hope she is offended. That will makes us even.

A friend of mine was raped. Thank the Dear Lord she did not have to go through a pregnancy nor some rich bitch trying to jail rape victims for being a victim. She was not pregnant but the trauma still caused her to try to commit suicide. She thought it might have been her fault a total stranger broke into her home and raped her. These poor women go through enough. DAMN YOU Cathrynn Brown, you are a total idiot and a disgrace to women everywhere

penny C (85)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 4:47 pm
This is one sick stupid woman!!

Esther Z (94)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 4:56 pm
I wrote a comment yesterday on another post, how, right when I think the Repugs have hit a new low, they come out with another reprehensible and crazy scheme. Well, here's another low, and it was created by a woman. It's reprehensible, shameful and disgusting that a woman would think in such way, would create such a law, with the pretense of helping the prosecution of rapists, knowing full well the psychological damage it would cause the victim. It's truly unbelievable and disgusting!

Trish K (93)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 4:59 pm
Rapist know no bounds. Old women, Nuns, Pregnant women are raped as well as Males. Rape is not a sex crime it is a crime of Violence. It is not a crime that last and hour. It is a crime that lasts a lifetime and kills the soul of the raped. Why are we voting for rapist and their rights ? Why are we covering for rapist ? Stop voting for these imoral , stupid , vapid , rabid republicans.

greenplanet e (155)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:04 pm

Past Member (0)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:06 pm
WHAT???? Is this True?? the Hell, None words. HIDIOUS....!!!!!!!!!!!

Trish K (93)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:11 pm
Thank you for this sickening wakeup article. WE need to start talking about how the Republicans Love Rapist, are their biggest advocates. Maybe they would see how horrible and disgusting they are to force a woman to give birth to a child of rape. These rapist were babies too, so let's stop talking about all babies as if they were a blessed event in everyones life. There is a lot of collateral damage in Force.
Here is your *. Kit. I hope it turns any color you would like it to be.

Brad Miller (120)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:15 pm
Republican evil madness and despicable lunacy KNOWS NO BOUNDS!

Mitchell D (104)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:15 pm
I thought that "Area 51(?) was in Nevada; what planet can this woman have come from?
It's like she is on "Stubbornly, devoutedly, insistently, imbecilic on steroid" pills!
Carrie, I thought of you the second I saw this article. Somehow, this woman needs to be defeated the next time she runs for office.
I'll bet she thinks of herself as a God-fearing, religious person filled with caring and empathy. If so, just an other deluded clown!

Mitchell D (104)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:18 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last week.

Craig Pittman (52)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:23 pm
It never ceases to amaze and sicken me the garbage spewed by members of the GOP. How anyone could vote for a party that endorses this kind of thinking is beyond me. Please, all the sane folks in New Mexico impeach this lawmaker.

Tamara Hayes (185)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:31 pm
I feel like I am choking on horseshit right now! Excuse my french but I am beyond words at this moment and I don't think I should try to write anything more right now.

Eternal G (745)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:32 pm
So, now they shoved a "female" robot forward to do their dirty work? Are they aiming for the emotionally void and disturbed to hop on their bandwagon?

Mitchell D (104)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:32 pm
Pam, I love that comment , too.
Carrie, thanks for the 4:35 P.M. note.
Tasunka has not been able, it appears, to find the words to express her sense of awe at this woman's being.
It really is mind blowing!!

Angelika R (143)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:35 pm
Carrie-did she specify that "mistake"? we sure would love to know-and it better not be a spelling error.

Jim P (3257)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:51 pm
WOW. I saw that 40 people had noted this story. Went away to do a bit of research
and copying info and a petition. Came back and saw that 53 people had noted the story.
I wasn't gone that long. lol.

Good comments above. Need not add to them but present my comment in a different "light, view"
with a petition as well.

This is the 40th Anniversary of Roe v. Wade decision is 40 years old. It was passed on January 22, 1973.
Very informative.

Please copy and paste the LINK:

More in the next box.


Jim P (3257)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:52 pm
Petition here: Take Action:

We won’t allow a small band of politicians and out-of-touch activists to interfere with a woman’s personal health care decisions. We won’t allow lawmakers to stand between women and their doctors.

On this 40th anniversary, those of us who trust women, who value their health and rights, have something to tell them: Roe is here for good.

Roe is here for the good it has done for our mothers and grandmothers. Roe is here for the good it does me and women nationwide. We value women’s health, and we ARE the majority.

Roe Is Here for Good
This year marks 40 years of Roe v. Wade. That’s 40 years of protecting every woman’s fundamental right to make her own personal medical decisions. But plenty of politicians are still fighting to take that right away.

We won’t let them get away with it. On this 40th anniversary, those of us who trust women, who value their health and rights, have something to tell them: Roe is here for good.

64% of American agree with the Roe v. Wade ruling.

64% of voters younger than 30 said that abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

74% of Latino registered voters support a woman's ability to make personal & private decisions about abortion.

67% of African Americans believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

"You cannot have maternal health without reproductive health. And reproductive heath includes contraception and family planning and access to legal, safe abortion.
- Hilary Clinton

Planned Parenthood

The Decision
"This right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment’s concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment’s reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."

"The detriment that the State would impose upon the pregnant woman by denying this choice altogether is apparent."

– Justice Harry Blackmun, Roe v. Wade decision

Roe v. Wade decision is 40 years old. It was passed on January 22, 1973


Amniocentesis is a test sometimes done during pregnancy that looks for birth defects and genetic problems in the developing baby.

Amniocentesis removes a small amount of fluid from the sac that surrounds the baby in the womb (uterus). It is usually done in a doctor's office or medical center. You do not need to stay in the hospital.
The fluid is sent to a laboratory, where:

Genetic studies are done.
Levels of alpha-fetoprotein are measured.
Other tests may be done.
Results are usually back within 2 weeks.


Yvonne White (229)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 5:55 pm
Thanks for the links Jim!:)

Past Member (0)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 6:13 pm

Fiona O (565)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 6:34 pm
The GOP outrageous waste of some human gray matter (limited to be sure) should know that some rape victims choose NOT to end a resulting pregnancy. I know one who gave birth to her son and raised him with love. But during her thirteen years of medical education, she did get food stamps for herself and her son. FOOD STAMPS! I guess this creep would think she was still an evil doer, that kind of thing leads to socialism.

Robert B (60)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 6:36 pm
Just when I think a Republican political hack can't get any stupider, I read something like this. Cathrynn Brown is a total disgrace to Democracy. She is a real HORSE'S ASS!!!!!.

Jae A (316)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 6:37 pm
Hummm..Arz. a Republican surprises as to who came up with this B.S. I suppose they will pay all the expenses for the women until the fetus is born and then the state will take custody of it...only fair under such an outragious proposal. How about they just abort and use what is removed as evidence. Total insanitea from the get go is what this is ...Maybe Arz. can secede along with Texas and then they'd both being doing something good for American.

WHo's going to be left in that crap state once the minorites leave as well as the women...just a bunch of old republican white guys enjoying gay sex ?

Jae A (316)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 6:40 pm
Hummm...New Mexico, that was suppose to be...the two of them are both going guano crazy the past few years. So Ok Texass,New Mexico and Arz. all secede...even better for America.

Carrie B (306)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 6:52 pm
This is the Bill as it was initially presented. I will let you know if I get the new one. I received this from Progress Now New Mexico.

51st legislature - STATE OF NEW MEXICO - first session, 2013
Cathrynn N. Brown


SECTION 1. Section 30-22-5 NMSA 1978 (being Laws 1963, Chapter 303, Section 22-5, as amended) is amended to read:
A. Tampering with evidence consists of destroying, changing, hiding, placing or fabricating any physical evidence with intent to prevent the apprehension, prosecution or conviction of any person or to throw suspicion of the commission of a crime upon another.
B. Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime.
[B.] C. Whoever commits tampering with evidence shall be punished as follows:
(1) if the highest crime for which tampering with evidence is committed is a capital or first degree felony or a second degree felony, the person committing tampering with evidence is guilty of a third degree felony;
(2) if the highest crime for which tampering with evidence is committed is a third degree felony or a fourth degree felony, the person committing tampering with evidence is guilty of a fourth degree felony;
(3) if the highest crime for which tampering with evidence is committed is a misdemeanor or a petty misdemeanor, the person committing tampering with evidence is guilty of a petty misdemeanor; and
(4) if the highest crime for which tampering with evidence is committed is indeterminate, the person committing tampering with evidence is guilty of a fourth degree felony."
SECTION 2. EFFECTIVE DATE.--The effective date of the provisions of this act is July 1, 2013.

Tomoko Harris (83)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 6:52 pm
Cathrynn Brown, you are the treason!

Laurie H (817)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 7:06 pm
This is an OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!! Definitely, a new low has just been hit! This "Person," is CERTIFIABLE!!!!!!!! Thanks so much Kit~~~

Kit B (276)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 7:14 pm

If the evidence of the crime is the DNA from the rapist than that is not destroyed. No one has to report a crime. Perhaps this is meant as one more way to scare women away from reporting rape?

Thanks for your comments, now it is time to compose a petition.

Freya H (357)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 8:11 pm
What the hell has Brown been smoking, anyway? This B.S. about "destroying evidence" is just the sheep's clothing dolling up the wolf of reducing all women between puberty and menopause to the status of machines for pumping out babies like sausages. Every time I turn around, the anti-choice crowd hits a new low.

Joanne D (38)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 8:15 pm
Outrage is not strong enough. I cannot think of a strong enough word, "printable" or not. What part of her body does she "think" with?

Terrie Williams (798)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 9:10 pm
Sittin' here just shaking my head in total frikken revulsion. This female reptile needs to get somewhere........preferably back to the frikken swamp she crawled out of. Wish I could give out more stars but hey, ya all know the frikken C2 Star Nazis are holding them in detention.

I don't dare say what I would like to cut loose with (yeah, my father would be soooooooooo embarrassed yet strangely proud to hear this tirade goin' on in my head LOL).

And...they are NOT Pro-Life, they ARE Pro-BIRTH. They do not give a Tinker's damn about mother or child after birth....that's why they also advocate for the death penalty and all wars for profit or gain. They make me PUKE!!!!!!!!!

Terrie Williams (798)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 9:13 pm
PS......Signed and shared the petition on RvW.

Lynn S (235)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 9:47 pm
Thanks Jim. Petition signed.

This is just so outrageous!

Michael C (217)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 9:51 pm
I just don't understand how these crazy Republicans, think they can tell people what to do with their lives and their bodies...Aren't they the same Party who say they want smaller Government, and want the Government out of peoples lives? Yet they do things like this, that totally contradicts what they say they stand for...When are people going to finally say enough, and get off their asses and go out and vote these morons out of office?

Helen Porter (39)
Friday January 25, 2013, 1:48 am
I think we should impeach every Republican.

It's about as sane as the idiocies they come up with!
and a lot safer for the people.

How long are we going to have to put up with them?

Ben O (171)
Friday January 25, 2013, 2:09 am
I can only say what I've said so many times before;
NEVER underestimate the power of ignorant idiots in large groups!

Ben O (171)
Friday January 25, 2013, 2:11 am
And, Thanks Jim, I signed the petition (with no hope whatsoever though)

Robert Tomlinson (62)
Friday January 25, 2013, 3:50 am
I agree with Terry. When I think I have seen the worst that a republican lawmaker can come up with.....I find another "how low can you go" story. What is so sad is that some will vote for these characters just because of the R next to their names.

Daniel Partlow (179)
Friday January 25, 2013, 5:29 am
This is the stupidest thing I've heard in some time! How heartless can you be. We don't have enough unwanted children in the world already? Nothing but suffering for everyone involved. Put the damned rapists in jail, not the victims!!!

Sam E M (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 5:54 am
I'm speechless !!!

Cheryl O (82)
Friday January 25, 2013, 6:56 am
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? I have goose bumps the size of geese reading that < wow.You can't even make this crap up. There is something in the water of those making decisions like this. THANKS HUN.

Donna Hamilton (159)
Friday January 25, 2013, 7:32 am
Absolutely outrageous! Their attitudes to women are no different to the Taliban's!

Arielle S (313)
Friday January 25, 2013, 7:32 am
Apparently, it doesn't take a lot of brains or heart to be a lawmaker in New Mexico - I suppose it would be wrong to wish this banana brain would have some personal experience with rape so that she knows what it might be like? There is just SO much stupid out there....

Jim P (3257)
Friday January 25, 2013, 8:32 am
Rape kit

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A sexual assault evidence collection kit, sexual assault forensic evidence (SAFE) kit, Sexual offense evidence collection (SOEC) kit or Physical Evidence Recovery Kit (PERK) kit,[1] is a set of items used by medical personnel for gathering and preserving physical evidence following an allegation of sexual assault which can be used in rape investigation. The kit was developed by Louis R. Vitullo and was for years referred to as the Vitullo kit. It is colloquially referred to as a rape kit. The term applies also to the collected evidence for a specific case.[2]

Description and use

A rape kit consists of small boxes, microscope slides and plastic bags for collecting and storing evidence such as clothing fibers, hairs, saliva, semen or body fluid, which may help identify the assailant and provide evidence supporting prosecution in a criminal trial.[3][4] The process of collecting the evidence for the kit takes hours.[5]

Although a rape kit's contents may vary by location, it may include:[1][6][7]

* Instructions
* Bags and sheets for evidence collection
* Swabs for collecting fluids from the lips, cheeks, thighs, vagina, anus, and buttocks
* Blood collection devices
* Comb used to collect hair and fiber from the victim’s body
* Clear glass slides
* Envelopes for preserving the victim’s clothes, head hair, pubic hair, and blood samples
* Nail pick for scraping debris from beneath the nails
* White sheets to catch physical evidence stripped from the body
* Documentation forms
* Labels

For more information, Please read the rest of this informative article from Wikipedia.


The idea of a rape kit would help defeat New Mexico State Rep. Cathrynn Brown Proposal of Imprisoning Rape Victims who have abortions, "tampering with evidence."


Instead of evidence of a baby, the Rape Kit can be used as evidence against the rapist. There would be no need to force raped victims "to carry their pregnancies to term during rape trials or face charges of "tampering with evidence.""

"However, Pat Davis of ProgressNow New Mexico, said in a statement that the bill is "blatantly unconstitutional."

"Davis said: "The bill turns victims of rape and incest into felons and forces them to become incubators of evidence for the state. According to Republican philosophy, victims who are ‘legitimately raped’ will now have to carry the fetus to term in order to prove their case.""

And there is also the "morning after" pill that a raped victim, woman, can be used as well after a rape kit has been done. Thus, no abortion has taken place.

Who benefits the most from this "proposed bill" by Cathrynn Brown,NM, HB 206, the violent assault and rape against a woman is the rapist.


Kathy Chadwell (354)
Friday January 25, 2013, 8:41 am
Thank you Jim, petition signed

Past Member (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 8:52 am
Thanks Kit and Jim, petition signed.

divergent r (309)
Friday January 25, 2013, 9:38 am
My thought;
Testing for any candidate on basic high school math and science. Failures are not an option.
An informed representative or none at all is superior to maniacs making insane laws.
Thanks Kit

Past Member (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 9:47 am
I wish these "lawmakers" had to be put in the shoes of the people who affect these laws to know what they have to go through. Maybe then the laws would make more sense.

Arielle S (313)
Friday January 25, 2013, 9:57 am
Am told If you would like to send her an email tellling her what you think about this, you can reach her at ~ I suspect that address won't work for long tho...

Kit B (276)
Friday January 25, 2013, 10:07 am

Thanks Arielle - maybe you can add that information to the petition now posted at Care2.

Jim P (3257)
Friday January 25, 2013, 10:33 am
Petition posted is as follows:

Target: Governor Susana Martinez, Cathryn Brown and the Legislature of the State of New Mexico
Sponsored by: Kit Blumenstein
Because we support the human right to self determination of ones own life, we stand in strong opposition to this legislation proposal.
This is clearly a violation of the rights of women to make a presonal choice for thier own life.

This in no way could or would impede the progress of any investigation of a Rapist. Any and all biological data can be obtained whether or not a pregnancy is carried to full term. This proposed bill is a farce and forces women to be victimized twice, once by the criminal violent act of rape and second by the state of New Mexico.

Read the full text of this petition here:

Ty, Kit.

Elizabeth Fuller (134)
Friday January 25, 2013, 11:13 am
With all of the technological advancements, is there not one that can use the aborted embryo as a way to find the DNA of the criminal rapist?? I think so...This woman GOP is a total jackass.

Jim P (3257)
Friday January 25, 2013, 11:14 am
This bill is "blatantly unconstitutional."

"UPDATE: After the bill got national attention, Brown issued a statement saying that her bill had been misinterpreted, the Albuquerque Journal reports. "House Bill 206 was never intended to punish or criminalize rape victims," Brown said. "Its intent is solely to deter rape and cases of incest. The rapist—not the victim—would be charged with tampering of evidence."

A blatant LIE! by Cathrynn Brown.

Brown should withdraw her bill, HB 206, immediately.

Write to Cathrynn Brown:


Petition here: Take Action:

We won’t allow a small band of politicians and out-of-touch activists to interfere with a woman’s personal health care decisions. We won’t allow lawmakers to stand between women and their doctors.


Sheryl G (363)
Friday January 25, 2013, 11:25 am
Roe is Here for Good

Thanks Kit for Making a C2 Petition on this PLEASE SIGN EVERYONE at this link

We can never get comfortable on rights hard won, be they over our own bodies, in the work place, or protection of our environment. There is always someone willing to take away the light once shown upon such injustices. Learn, be vocal, write, motivate others to become involved citizens, and educate yourselves who you are voting into office.

30 years ago this woman wouldn't of dared bring up something this ridiculous and insensitive, but the extremist are emboldened, they became emboldened because too few called them out on it, too few stood up to it, too few were thinking they were nuts cases. Well emboldened nut cases are dangerous and we are being affected by this over and over.

Those in other Countries take heed, this is like a cancer it spreads.......Pay attention to what is going on in your Country as well. Good comments above, Jim P. and Kit outstanding job on this.

Kit B (276)
Friday January 25, 2013, 11:36 am

Very true Dandelion and if we do not take heed at those wise words, just take a look at legislation already passed in many states. From Anti-woman to Anti-labor, the troglodytes will continue to attempt to infringe on your human rights. Do not allow this, you have a voice, make it loud.

ewoud k (68)
Friday January 25, 2013, 11:38 am
Might as well just put them in jail just for being raped, or just for being a woman.

What real comment could one give to this nonsense?

Past Member (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 11:38 am
The only way a rapist can tamper with evidence is if the rapist is the one performing the abortion. My GOD..she is so full of SH*T.

Kit B (276)
Friday January 25, 2013, 11:40 am

We have only 37 actual signatures if are to reach 1,000 we need each of you to sign the petition.

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Friday January 25, 2013, 12:07 pm
I wonder how sick is the person who presented this bill.She simply wants a raped woman to suffer not only the time of rape itself but 9 month more,then the rest of her life. Woman has the right to chose and every one must respect this right. . Really sick.

Abdessalam, You signed on January 25, 2013.
Your signature has been delivered to:
Governor Susana Martinez, Cathryn Brown and the Legislature of the State of New Mexico

Carrie B (306)
Friday January 25, 2013, 12:09 pm
 Send a message to Rep. Brown and ask her to do the right thing and send this bad bill to the trash heap.

Action Alert
Because Freedom Can't Protect Itself

Tell Rep. Cathrynn Brown that rape survivors need care and support, not a felony charge.

Dear friend of liberty,

I thought I had seen it all from anti-abortion extremists. I was wrong.

Late Wednesday, Rep. Cathrynn Brown (R-55) introduced a bill that could criminalize rape survivors who seek an abortion. Under her proposed amendment, the felony crime of "tampering with evidence" would be written to include "procuring or facilitating an abortion...of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime."

That's right; you can't make this stuff up. A bill that could force a rape survivor to choose between cooperating in the prosecution of her abuser and terminating an unwanted pregnancy that was forced upon her. Tell Rep. Brown that these kinds of extreme anti-abortion laws have no place in New Mexico.

After a strong initial public backlash to her bill, Rep. Brown is already wavering on this ill-advised scheme. She claims that she will edit out the most offensive parts of the bill, but this type of legislation doesn't belong in New Mexico in any form.

This bill is only part of a wider effort to intimidate women and make accessing safe, legal abortion practically impossible. This legislative session we have already seen a bill that would force a woman to view a medically unnecessary ultrasound and listen to a description of the fetus before she could terminate her pregnancy, and another that would force a young woman to notify their parents before she could access a safe and legal abortion.

Most New Mexicans agree that we should not punish survivors of sexual assault for the crime that was perpetrated upon them. Rape survivors need care and support, not a felony charge.

We can't let anti-abortion extremists and politicians interfere with private medical decisions that belong between a woman and her doctor, nor can we allow anyone to bully survivors of sexual assault. Send a message to Rep. Brown and ask her to do the right thing and send this bad bill to the trash heap.


Peter Simonson
Executive Director
ACLU of New Mexico

Kit B (276)
Friday January 25, 2013, 12:23 pm

Thanks Carrie but the above petition is only for residents of New Mexico - that is unless you want to post some New Mexico zip codes for us? hint...hint... If someone just happened to find a zip code at

Carrie B (306)
Friday January 25, 2013, 12:30 pm
87507, 87503, 87544 :)

Rosary G (3)
Friday January 25, 2013, 12:33 pm

This should not be a surprise to people. It's where this has been headed for a long time. And it will not stop here.
What is it that americans don't get about the GOP hating the female with a perverted passion? Even some of the GOP women themselves.

Carrie B (306)
Friday January 25, 2013, 12:41 pm
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Carrie B (306)
Friday January 25, 2013, 12:51 pm
Kit, the petition form indicates you can enter your own state info. Has anyone tried? Sorry, all of my comments are so disjointed, but I am doing several things at once ~ all badly, it would appear.

Elizabeth Fuller (134)
Friday January 25, 2013, 1:13 pm
Signed both petitions, thanks For the links Kit and Jim.

Lynne Buckley (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 1:25 pm
What an obnoxious human being. The GOP sink beneath contempt when they have a lawmaker think that treating a rape victim like a criminal is acceptable.

Beth Tatum (95)
Friday January 25, 2013, 1:25 pm
I feel like I should say something, but I am utterly dumbfounded. I've never heard anything so CRAZY in my life. As the atricle said, this will never pass, but that it was thought up in the first place is, well, CRAZY!!!

Hugo L (255)
Friday January 25, 2013, 1:48 pm
Signed petition. Thanks!

Natalie V (27)
Friday January 25, 2013, 1:57 pm

Kit B (276)
Friday January 25, 2013, 2:06 pm

yes Carrie the message was clear: This alert does not apply to your state....

Margery Coffey (8)
Friday January 25, 2013, 3:01 pm
I date back to earlier times such as the days of Huey Long and Joseph McCarthy and other slime balls that got elected to Congress. But that was nothing compared to today's nut cases in Congress state side or federal. Rome fell due to the lead pollution of their air and apparently we are falling victims to our air pollution as well.

Lois Jordan (63)
Friday January 25, 2013, 3:07 pm
Noted w/thanks, Kit, and signed all petitions of course. This made me so mad, I'm going to have to go take my herbal remedy. Next, I'm rechecking my budget to see if I can increase my donations to Planned Parenthood and NARAL.

Marie Russell-Barker (13)
Friday January 25, 2013, 3:23 pm
This is the most egregious hate towards women that I have ever read . Instead of prosecuting the rappist we go after the victims did anybody think about this before they put this law into actions. It is true unless it happens to me I can not feel it. OMG this is the most sickening thing thing I have ever heard Lord what have become of us as humans. Help us Lord for they no not know what they do.

Rose Becke (141)
Friday January 25, 2013, 3:33 pm
Signed as well

I am so angry by this how F&&king dare they even contemplate this

Phil P (94)
Friday January 25, 2013, 4:24 pm
This is the true face of the "Happy Party" that wants to lead/rule the Nation. Ignorant, bigoted, deceitful, vicious, etc., etc., etc.

Judy C (97)
Friday January 25, 2013, 4:45 pm
I wish these narrow-minded people would stop scheming about how to impose their values on everyone else. Part of becoming an adult should be the realization that we are responsible for our own choices with regard to morals and values, not those of everyone else. These judgmental right-wingers may be ignorant, but they are certainly cunning, in coming up with endless cockamamie schemes to try to control the behavior of everyone else. This one is certainly a new low.

Thanks to those who posted the links to petitions above, too. Signed.

Linda P (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 5:42 pm
Is this woman for real?? I can't believe this, how ignorant!! I would hope she never gets elected again. The woman of New Mexico must be livid over this. Would you feel this way if it was you or a female family that was raped?? Disgraceful!!

Kevin Lewis (1)
Friday January 25, 2013, 7:47 pm
How stuped, I hope he is going to be a one term law maker.

Sheryl G (363)
Friday January 25, 2013, 7:50 pm
Thank you for standing up for the rights of rape survivors. Please ask your friends and loved ones to take action against this extremist attempt to criminalize survivors of sexual assault who seek abortions.

Santa Fee looks nice this time of year. Thanks Carrie.

Sharon F (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 8:29 pm
Which nutty religion is paddling this barbaric legislator's canoe?? Does the legislator have a clue as to the cost of locking up more people unnecessarily? I guess this is what we have come to expect from the
RETHUGNICAN party bozos.

David C (29)
Friday January 25, 2013, 9:15 pm
There are no nice words I can use and care2 will not let me use the words that will let you know the way I feel about this!

Kathy B (106)
Friday January 25, 2013, 9:18 pm
I think many of us are old enough to have at least heard whisperings of illegal abortions. The most common method being a coat hanger.

I guess the GOP longs for 'the good old days'. Grim thing to long for.

Phil R (29)
Friday January 25, 2013, 9:30 pm
Another attempt to force a woman to have her rapist's baby....this is disgusting.

Past Member (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 9:56 pm
This is crap! WTF

wendy webber (28)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 2:52 am
Do we have a new low here that cretins can sink to? I swear each attempt to control our lives is more ridiculous than the one before it.What gets me is that there are "people"(I use the term loosely) that think up these laws to pass? I can see the chains coming back out,,,,then the ball,,,then no shoes for woman.....then... slavery. I have worked in a Rape Crisis center with many a survivor and there are already too many atrocities within the why not make it more difficult, more shaming,so fewer will report? Then....where is the problem? Do we really need to keep funding VAWA act for such low stats? Just like The Emperors New Clothes......until I am no longer on this plane, I will continue to work toward all people being treated and respected like human beings who all bleed red.

Julie W (32)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 3:05 am
This is outrageous! Sick ba****rds.

Bill Koeppen (0)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 5:40 am
Puke Brown should be arrested for attempting to take away OUR FREEDOM Of CHOICE !!!

Daniel Partlow (179)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 6:15 am
Jail his stupid a**!

Cheryl O (82)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 7:08 am
The freedom boat sank in this country. It's sad we have rights outlined in our Constitution PROTECTING us from Government that we now have, that's why it was written. The constitution was not given to us as a gift from the government or a privilege iti's for our protection. So seeing this happen and remembering all the blood shed , here we are back in history yet again. Nobody should be able to tell us what to do with our OWN body. That is nothing more then a dictatorship!

Donna W (0)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 8:24 am
This is the definition of crazy: Punish the victim instead of the criminal. I wonder how this NM lawmaker would feel if SHE was the one who was raped and had to keep the embryo/fetus/baby to term as evidence or be prosecuted for homicide if she aborted?

Madhu Pillai (22)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 11:48 am
Signed petition.

Carmen S (611)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 12:16 pm
Thank Kit, this is absolutely ridiculous, women in this situation have been through enough, and then to call them criminal? What is wrong with people?

Adrienne Camfield (1)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 12:17 pm
Although there is controversy over abortion, I don't think it's fair for a woman who is raped to have to keep the rapist's baby. Is the Taliban running our country also?

Aaron Bouchard (158)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 12:22 pm
This is terrible!! How does a guy like him get elected for any party? Noted

Kit B (276)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 1:03 pm

This proposed legislation is by a woman not a man.

Graca T (46)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 1:50 pm
Does this vile woman live on Planet Earth?! Does she work for Satan? How can such a cruel soulless creature be a State Representative?! ! Hope she never goes through the horrendous traumas of rape & subsequent pregnancy!!!

Lin Penrose (92)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 12:09 pm
Thanks Kit. Perhaps this is one politician & woman who wants "death" by impeachment and/or just the notoriety! Her proposal is beyond ridiculous bordering on insanity.

Are Republicans in general testing women in this country to see how far we will go to protect the hard-won freedoms we have gained in this country? Impeach the female, small-minded or mentally ill New Mexico State Representative. Actually Grace T., I hope she does go through those exact traumas in New Mexico, if her bit of "law" should go into effect.

Terrie Williams (798)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 3:13 pm
Terrie, You signed on January 27, 2013.
Your signature has been delivered to:
Governor Susana Martinez, Cathryn Brown and the Legislature of the State of New Mexico

All petitions signed, noted and shared on Fb and in private email.

Kimberly B (89)
Monday January 28, 2013, 7:16 am
Disgusted once again! Shared and noted. Thank you very much Kit!

Susanne R (234)
Saturday February 2, 2013, 12:18 am
Just when you think that the Republican Party couldn't possibly devalue women or abuse their rights any more than they already have, legislation is introduced --by a female, no less-- that would jail women for ending a pregnancy that resulted from rape! I don't know if State representative Cathrynn Brown of New Mexico is an ambitious politician who's trying to make a name for herself with the GOP or garner support from the religious right, but she is nothing more than a traitor to most of the women in this country.

Thank you, Kit, for posting this important story and to Dandelion for the forward. Thank you also to those who provided a link to the petition!

Arild Gone for now (174)
Saturday February 2, 2013, 3:06 am
Whenever a Republican open his/her mouth out comes BS.Thanks Kit.

P A (117)
Saturday February 2, 2013, 4:47 am
Goodness - I have sent another twenty stars reading down here - and there were some I couldn't send stars to as I had just done so a few days ago - sorry - because just about everyone deserved a star! Signed Kit - many thanks for doing this petition. What an unbearably evil thing for Cathryn Brown to propose - I hope her political career sinks without trace - along with her vile bill. (Green star to Megan amongst others - thanks for your description!).

Edwin M (346)
Saturday February 2, 2013, 7:01 am
How do people like this get elected? Do they disguise their true feelings until after and election? Part of the problem is that the electorate is too lazy to do any research on candidates and simply vote for a name they recognize from television ads or signs placed along the road and the candidate that gets the most exposure is the one with the most money behind them. When a party makes statements as to what they plan on doing if they gain the majority, people still seem shocked when they actually follow through on their idiotic plans. Do some homework before you vote so that those of us that do, don't have to live with consequences like this.

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Saturday February 2, 2013, 9:13 am
# 240
12:11, Feb 02, Mrs. Kathy Chadwell, IN

. (0)
Tuesday February 5, 2013, 1:09 pm
Totally outrageous. What the hell is next! Thanks Kit and dandelion for the fwd. Am sorry comments/notes are not always sticking

Gina Caracci (219)
Friday February 8, 2013, 6:57 pm
I am speechless. these people have gone INSANE and they are in charge? R U KIDDING ME????
you guys do know its a conspiracy dont you? Why do they want every child born whether wanted or not? SO they can go into foster care and get beat and molested? become drug addicts and alchololics? (Not all of course!) WHY are they cutting all benefits for people that need them? Why is the govt stealing children and selling them w/the help of the church? WHY ARE THEY ALLOWING US TO SUFFER WHILE THEY PROSPER? THINK ABOUT IT.
and GREEN STARS TO ALL! I didnt have time to send one to each cuz connection is slow today

Gina Caracci (219)
Friday February 8, 2013, 7:12 pm
Thinking about it I had to come back and comment again. I guess the toxic poison in the water, air, soil, food and products has finally got to them. to where they are all INSANE. And they thought they were immune. HA! Their stupidity is out in the open for all to see. That a WOMEN proposed this just shows how SICK she and they have become. I guess she thinks it cant happen to her, but then again she is ABOVE us peons so she wouldnt have to follow rules she creates. typical politician BULLSH**.
Sorry, I guess I wasnt as speechless as i thought. lol..

Nancy C (806)
Saturday February 16, 2013, 6:17 pm
s,sh on fb & group. 12% of rapists arrested. 3% ever convicted in NM. And this proposal is a break dance around RoevWade...trying to break us. But, as we all know, we don't need to conceive after rape. We know secrets...
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