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By the Millions, Egyptians Seek Morsi's Ouster


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Kit
- 447 days ago - nytimes.com
Millions of Egyptians streamed into the streets of cities across the country on Sunday to demand the ouster of their first elected head of state, President Mohamed Morsi, in an outpouring of anger at the political dominance of his Islamist backers-->



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Kit B. (276)
Monday July 1, 2013, 5:39 am
Photo Credit:Tara Todras-Whitehill for The New York Times --- Egyptian demonstrators, waving a flag with the face and name of an activist who was killed in February, in Cairo on Sunday. More Photos available.



CAIRO — Millions of Egyptians streamed into the streets of cities across the country on Sunday to demand the ouster of their first elected head of state, President Mohamed Morsi, in an outpouring of anger at the political dominance of his Islamist backers in the Muslim Brotherhood.

The scale of the demonstrations, coming just one year after crowds in Tahrir Square cheered Mr. Morsi’s inauguration, appeared to exceed even the massive street protests in the heady final days of the uprising that overthrew President Hosni Mubarak in 2011. At a moment when Mr. Morsi is still struggling to control the bureaucracy and just beginning to build public support for painful economic reforms, the protests have raised new hurdles to his ability to lead the country as well as new questions about Egypt’s path to stability.

Clashes between Mr. Morsi’s opponents and supporters broke out in several cities around the country, killing at least seven people — one in the southern town of Beni Suef, four in the southern town of Assiut and two in Cairo — and injuring hundreds. Protesters ransacked Brotherhood offices around the country. In Cairo, a mob of hundreds set fire to the almost-empty Brotherhood headquarters, pelting it with stones, Molotov cocktails and fireworks for hours. A few members hiding inside the darkened building fired bursts of birdshot at the attackers, wounding several, but the police and security forces did nothing to stop the assault or the arson.

Demonstrators said they were angry about the near total absence of public security, the desperate state of the Egyptian economy and an increase in sectarian tensions. But the common denominator across the country was the conviction that Mr. Morsi had failed to transcend his roots in the Brotherhood, an insular Islamist group officially outlawed under Mr. Mubarak that is now considered Egypt’s most formidable political force. The scale of the protests across the country delivered a sharp rebuke to the group’s claim that its victories in Egypt’s newly open parliamentary and presidential elections gave it a mandate to speak for most Egyptians.

“Enough is enough,” said Alaa al-Aswany, a prominent Egyptian writer who was among the many at the protests who had supported the president just a year ago. “It has been decided for Mr. Morsi. Now, we are waiting for him to understand.”

Shadi Hamid, a researcher at the Brookings Doha Center in Qatar who studies the Muslim Brotherhood closely, said: “The Brotherhood underestimated its opposition.” He added: “This is going to be a real moment of truth for the Brotherhood.”

Mr. Morsi and Brotherhood leaders have often ascribed much of the opposition in the streets to a conspiracy led by Mubarak-era political and financial elites determined to bring them down, and they have resisted concessions in the belief that the opposition’s only real motive is the Brotherhood’s defeat. But no conspiracy can brings millions to the streets, and by Sunday night some analysts said the protests would send a message to other Islamist groups around the region in the aftermath of the Arab Spring.

“It is a cautionary note: don’t be too eager for power, and try to think how you do it,” Mr. Hamid said, faulting the Egyptian Brotherhood for seeking to take most of the power for itself all at once. “I hear concern from Islamists around the region about how the Brotherhood is tainting Islamism.”

Mr. Morsi’s administration appeared caught by surprise. “There are protests; this is a reality,” Omar Amer, a spokesman for the president, said at a midnight news conference. “We don’t underestimate the scale of the protests, and we don’t underestimate the scale of the demands.” He said the administration was open to discussing any demands consistent with the Constitution, but he also seemed exasperated, sputtering questions back at the journalists. “Do you have a better idea? Do you have an initiative?” he asked. “Suggest a solution and we’re willing to consider it seriously.”
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JL A. (275)
Monday July 1, 2013, 7:09 am
And other reports say the US is sending Morsi riot control technology? Seems that listening to the protest message instead of fighting them is more in everyone's self-interest and alignment with constitutions.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Monday July 1, 2013, 11:25 am
Where will this lead to? Our reports speak of at least a dozen dead, over 700 injured..a new ultimatum for Morsi to resign set for Tuesday 5 p.m. Let's hope the military will stay calm and responsible, I am just afraid of another blood bath. We must give credit to the millions of brave Egyptians taking to the streets demanding what was promised to them!
 

Angelika R. (143)
Monday July 1, 2013, 11:31 am
In your media I am also missing the report of 5 ministers having resigned, - Morsi seems to have no more functioning government.
 

Jaime A. (32)
Monday July 1, 2013, 1:18 pm
Noted, thanks.!!
 

Boo B. (11)
Monday July 1, 2013, 1:31 pm
When will this ever end?
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Monday July 1, 2013, 6:41 pm
Looks like time's up for Morsi...at least that's what I'm betting my nickel on. The U.S. absolutely needs to stay out of this.
 

Frances Darcy (219)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 2:59 am
Awaiting developements on this .
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 6:12 am
On Sunday June 30,2013 I joined the protectors in Tahrir square from 4:00 pm Cairo local time till 10:40 pm That reminded me with the three days I spent there in January/ February 2011.It is an amazing experience.We librals are taking back January 2011 revolution against Mubarak after it has been stolen by those who call themselves Islamists. Islamists have abused not only Islam but also simple and poor Egyptians ( around 40%) promising them what the called "renaissance project" to get their votes. Renaissance project turned to a nightmare and Egyptians discovered over the past 12 month that they have been subject to a fascist government headed by a President who has no experience and who surrounded himself with unqualified team of his own group. The main effort of this rule was to put its non-qualified loyal Muslim Brother Hood supporters everywhere trying to change Egypt's identity as a moderate Islamic country . .

On November 21,2012 Mursi issued what he called a constitutional declaration giving himself all powers and preventing any court,including the constitutional court,from judging against any of his decisions. He later cancelled this constitutional declaration under people's pressure but didn't cancel the decisions he took under this illegal declaration.Those Islamists wrote Egypt's constitution the way they like after the withdrawal of all liberal members of the constitution committee .
At this point Egyptians realized that they have subject to lies and false promises and decided to ask him to step down. " Rebels " movement asked people to advocate in writing that they ask for early Presidential election. More that 22 million Egyptian took that advocate and rallied in different cities asking for "early presidential election"

A road map has been suggested by the Egyptian Libral and civil opposition . Mursi resigns and be succeeded ,temporarily, by the Chairman of the constitutional court with limited power to be assisted by a 3 / 4 members council from all political powers one of which may be . In six month a professional committee would draft a new constitution that represents all Egyptians and reflects their future demands of equality,freedom and justice. A referendum for this draft constitution....... then Parliamentary and/ or Presidential election be held which must be open for all Egyptian
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 6:12 am
A spokesperson for the General Command of the Armed Forces, speaking in an audio statement broadcast by state television, gave all political groups in Egypt a 48-hour grace period to respond to the demands of the people.

The army reiterated its "call that the demands of the people be met and gives [all parties] 48 hours, as a last chance, to take responsibility for the historic circumstances the country is going through," the statement, read out on television, said.

"If the demands of the people are not met in this period...[the army] will announce a future roadmap and measures to oversee its implementation."
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 6:16 am
In about 2 hours from now Egyptian protesters will put a siege around the Presidential palace to force Mursi to accept people's demands.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 6:19 am
" No violence " this is our slogan "
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 6:21 am
SORRY . There is a spelling mistake in my first comment . It should read " On Sunday June 30,2013 I joined the protesters in Tahrir square
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 6:33 am

I didn't even notice a mistake in spelling, Abdessalam. Things happening in other countries are remote for so many of us, and reading an account from someone actually there is very exciting and enlightening. I wish you and all Egyptians, success in your struggle to find a peaceful government, one that reacts to the needs and desires of the people. The Egyptian people well deserve that. Thank you so much Abdessalam.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 7:23 am
The Ministry of Interior voiced its approval for the armed forces’ Monday announcement and vowed not to favour any one political movement over another.

In an official statement released on Monday night, the ministry stated that it fully supports the statement released earlier that day by the Armed Forces, which it said “protects national security and the state’s interests.”

“The police apparatus renews its vow to … protect citizens and vital state institutions and to preserve the security of the protesters,” the statement read. “The police belong to the people. They stand with equal distance from all political factions, and do not side with one faction at the expense of the other.”
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 7:28 am
Sorry. It is 4: 25 pm Cairo local time and I have to leave to Tahrir square to rejoin my fellow protesters > I am not sure how long I'll be there. Today is very important but I hope to be back may be at midnight to rejoin commentators in this post. Thanks to you all for the concern you expressed here.
 

JL A. (275)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 10:03 am
Thanks so much Abdessalam for fleshing out the context of these events for us--our media is not doing as good a job this time. I hope that a just order emerges from the chaos and that police and military power continue to align with the public interest.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 10:39 am
Tons of green stars to our dear friend Abdessalam for his bravery of taking part in this historic moment and thanks so much for the authentic update. Let's all remain faithful that public interest will be regarded!! So far Police have indeed proven solidarity with the people, we just don't know if and how the army might get involved.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 12:43 pm
http://live.reuters.com/Event/World_News
they have a live video on, but it's all in arabic/egyptian so I cannot understand. Live updates,too, 4 dead in Gisa. Abdessalam may want to have a look but likely his state TV is also broadcasting. Things look real critical..
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 12:49 pm

The army it is said are asking Morsi to resign.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 12:51 pm
Looks like that video is capturing the Mursi supporters, huh? sorry if that's the case
 

Allan Yorkowitz (453)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 1:01 pm
After Sadat. I pray, Egypt will seek Murbak as the levelor in all of this. What is the age old adage, "you don't know what you had until you lost it."?
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 1:18 pm
Yes Kit-but don't we all have a gut feeling that he will reject this.. Hope Abdessalam stays SAFE
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 1:53 pm

Things do seem very agitated in the more recent updates. Though the army is not (at the moment) moving against the protesters.

Allan if you consider a brutal dictator to be better than the freedom to reject what is not working, then what the hell are you doing in the US?
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 2:08 pm
BBC just read of the latest Twitter feed from Mursi- he is REJECTING it all and calls on the army to WITHDRAW their proposal.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 2:10 pm
Just saw it's also in the Reuters update:
.@MuhammadMorsi tweets to demand Egypt's army withdraw ultimatum, saying he rejects any deviation from constitutional legitimacy #breaking
— Reuters World (@ReutersWorld) July 2, 2013
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 3:09 pm
Well, ...we now heard his speech... going to bed now in fear of what will happen on Wednesday.., or even over night..
 

Dandelion G. (382)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 4:52 pm
Stay safe Abdessalam. I send prayers for your safety and those you join. I give you all high respect for at least you stand together on this, by the millions. I do hope a peaceful solution will work it's way forwarding you all to a place of peace and what the majority of you seek. Thank you for the information you have provided.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 6:43 pm

I'm so sorry that Morsi has chosen to turn his back on the will of millions of people. For a man that barely won, with only 27% showing at the polls, he knows he doesn't have the people on his side. I do hope the army will hold out and not turn on their fellow Egyptians.
 

Mitchell D. (131)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 6:52 pm
Am I missing something? Didn't the people of Egypt elect Morsi, knowing full well his deep connection to the fundamentalist Islamic Brotherhood?
Well, perhaps they are learning about the pitfalls of electing by way of religion...electing ANY fundamentalist people, or government.
ANY fundamentalists," Born Again" George, or anyone is going to think that he/she has a direct line to what his/her god thinks, wants, etc.; like the clown from Pennsylvania who would not let a gay COLLEAGUE talk, because he knew that what he would have said would be going against "God's Law!"
Then there is the fool who said, in Congress, that there can be no such thing as global warming, "Because God would not allow it."
We have to keep church and state separate, or the difficulties we see now, in government, will seem like verry small potatoes.
 

Mitchell D. (131)
Tuesday July 2, 2013, 7:04 pm
Abdessalam, I am hoping that you will be safe,and that the road map you presented in your first note will be followed.
 

Craig Pittman (45)
Wednesday July 3, 2013, 3:41 am
Thank you Abdessalam for your detailed first-hand account of events. For ongoing well balanced constant updates of the events as they unfold in Egypt folks may want to check out Al Jazeera news. They cover world events and do an excellent job at in depth coverage of stories often ignored by other media here in North America. My thoughts and best wishes are with the people in Egypt today.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Wednesday July 3, 2013, 12:44 pm
Mursi is finished and so is MBH and all Muslim extremists . This is going to have a positive effect in the whole Arab world from Arabian / Persian gulf in the east to the Atlantic ocean in the west. Egypt will never be a shelter for terrorists or extremists. I am Egyptian and proud. Long live Egypt.
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday July 3, 2013, 1:13 pm

Congratulations Abdessalam to you and all of your fellow Egyptians. We are following the events here in the US and it seems nothing can stop this push for change.
 

Michael Dewey (1034)
Thursday July 4, 2013, 6:08 am
Good to hear that this is for the best. Such a complicated area its tough to know what is going on.
 
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