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Egypt Must Address This: Epidemic of Sexual Violence


World  (tags: 'CIVILLIBERTIES!', 'HUMANRIGHTS!', crime, Egypt, middle-east, politics, society, violence, Women )

Kit
- 533 days ago - youtube.com
Egyptian anti-sexual harassment groups confirmed that mobs sexually assaulted and in some cases raped at least 91 women in Tahrir Square over four days of protests beginning on June 30, 2013 amid a climate of impunity. Human Rights Watch->



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Kit B. (276)
Saturday July 6, 2013, 6:07 pm
Video from Human Rights Watch


Egyptian anti-sexual harassment groups confirmed that mobs sexually assaulted and in some cases raped at least 91 women in Tahrir Square over four days of protests beginning on June 30, 2013 amid a climate of impunity. Human Rights Watch has long documented the problem of sexual assault in Cairo's streets and particularly at protests. A new video highlights the stories of women who have been attacked, in some cases as recently as January.

For more information: http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/07/03/eg...
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (281)
Saturday July 6, 2013, 6:07 pm
It makes me so angry Kit
 

Kit B. (276)
Saturday July 6, 2013, 6:34 pm

I do agree Rose, and women have waited long enough to have this addressed. Women/ victims do not cause rape, no matter what they wear, where they go, they are not responsible for the sick mind of the rapist.

Egyptians have given us all a lesson in striking out for freedom and the democratic process, this issue now must be one they tackle and win.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 6, 2013, 7:43 pm
Bloody a oath Kit and Rose
 

Carrie B. (318)
Saturday July 6, 2013, 8:15 pm
Is there any hope of justice for these women or will Egypt keep ignoring the obvious?
 

pam w. (191)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 9:22 am
As long as they cling to a culture which demeans women, dresses them in body bags, mutilates their genitals, denies them equal access to education, civil rights, equal voices in cases of rape, etc....women will never thrive in these countries.
 

amanda Ashworth (4)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 10:12 am
I agree with you Pam it's a long time coming.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 10:22 am

If the women will speak up and if they will collectively make this a loud issue, we just might begin to see a change. For the sake of the women, for the little girls yet to be women, I hope it is so.
 

Monica T. (294)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 10:24 am
I wasn't angry until I hear what the boy in the video said... How the women dress and how they walk won't push him into raping unless he is already a perverted jerk! I bet that if the women were wearing a loosely fitted dress and walk like robots, he will still rape them if he already set his mind to it!!!

It is the free will of the women to decide how they would walk and dress! It shouldn't be viewed as urging themselves to be raped... Heck, it is not asking to be raped until you hear 'can you please rape me?' come out of the woman's mouth... and I can imagine how many times that exact question has been uttered.... zero.
 

Jennifer Towe (37)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 10:26 am
This kind of thing should never unpunished!!! Makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it!!!! How vile some people are!!!
 

ewoud k. (73)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 10:34 am
Still a long way to go.

 

Allan Yorkowitz (448)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 10:44 am
Egypt wants a democratic government,,do they even know what this means? Their assaults on women reduces their plight in my eyes.
 

Svetlana B. (19)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 10:46 am
Sadly noted, thanks for the video.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 10:51 am

I know Monica and that attitude that I have heard echoed a few too many times, is what finally decided the issue for me. I do not accept that those attitudes can not be changed, I believe that education is the answer, along with a heavy dose of constant pressure from women.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 11:21 am
I'm shocked, who would have thought of this while we were watching the masses protesting..
Yes Kit, like in the US, education and permanent pressure from women and human rights groups is needed. .And it will be a long and hard battle but one that must be fought.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 11:26 am

I guess I'm not all that surprised, the protests from 2 years ago in Tahrir Square lead to the exposure of many rapes, including one of a US reporter. If we do not accept that there is ever an excuse for rape, we can make no exceptions to that rule. Nothing raises the hair quite as much as blaming the victim.
 

amanda Ashworth (4)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 11:27 am
I was sickened to hear how are sister's in Egypt are being treated. How can this be allowed to continue. I cannot believe how some men are using the troubles to commit these crimes against these brave women. Our Prime Minister should be using his influence to voice his disgust at this violation of women's rights.
 

Esther Z. (96)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 1:10 pm
It's all about social conditioning; you have to raise little boys to respect women, and to treat everybody with the same respect you would expect for yourself. It doesn't matter what country, or what religion you practice, your economic status or level of education. Respect is the same everywhere, just like evil is a curse everywhere. There might not be the same amount of sexual violence in the U.S as there are in other countries, but lets not look to far, shall we? Are we not struggling to find a solution for all the military rapes, reported and unreported, in the U.S Armed Forces? Sexual harassment is everywhere because women are just not given the same level of respect given to men; in many parts of the world, as in the U.S, women are second class citizens who have little voice or little to no power when it comes to policies or issues affecting them. So, social conditioning, at the very early stages of childhood development, is when a little boy can become a fair-minded and respectful man. For a little girl, it's teaching her self-worth at a very early age that can help her mature into an independent and strong woman. Unfortunately, social mores, religion and just plain old power agendas keep everything as the status quo, with people unwilling or unable to change. Just my two cents.
 

Birgit W. (152)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 1:21 pm
When will men respect us women? Those macho men have written the bible, koran, etc., and it was always against women. This has to stop.
 

Lois Jordan (58)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 1:44 pm
Esther (above) made the connection that must continue to be explained to Americans....that our own military is strongly objecting to exposing and prosecuting rapes within our own military. And, let's not leave out our Congress, with their crazy explanations that "women can't get pregnant from being raped," and other such complete idiotic nonsense. Also, an excellent explanation regarding "social conditioning." I've seen it in my own family. My brother was taught that we are all equal, and he has always treated women with genuine respect. I have taught that to my sons. But, when a religious belief permeates a whole society, the root is poison and must be replaced completely.
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 2:59 pm
Egypt should take a cue from Libya (or at least what Libya is currently saying - time will tell how effective the speech is).
 

Stuart Thomas (519)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 3:18 pm
Noted. It is sad that women in demonstrations in Egypt it seems are not safe. As I think it was Aretha Franklin who sang the song R-E-S-P-E-C-T., men in all countries need to respect women; it is arrogance and lack of empathy not to do so.

Thank you for the posting Kit.
 

Sandra Pfannkuchen (0)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 3:38 pm
I went out with an Egyptian man for a short time. I quickly learned the meaning of Macho. I just feel soo bad for the women in the middle east. To be a sub citizen. and what really gets my goat is that they have no choice but to raise their sons to be the same kind of men. Mob mentality can be dangerous anywhere. We've seen it here on a lesser leves after sporting events. Nothing on the scale of what goes on there. I hope that the government there finally starts taking all of this seriously and starts holding these criminals accountable for the crimes they are commiting .
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 5:01 pm

Socialization and teaching respect implies better education. I do believe that is the key, for both men and women.
 

Gloria H. (88)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 6:16 pm
aside from politcal and religious sanctions against women that green light rape, I wonder if there is a biological factor also involved: heightened adrenalin rush mixed with testosterone overload (you know....going to "the other brain" that causes some men to get into a rape frenzy mode.
Or are these just perverts that hesitating to molest their own daughters and sisters,
see fit to rape other men's daughters and sisters.
Justice for rape-castration. Let them pee squatting down for the rest of their lives.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 6:21 pm

These are group or gang rapes talked about in the video.

Gang rape is very different from individual acquaintance rape. Foremost among those differences is the use of the rape as a reinforcing mechanism for membership in the group of men. Perpetrators have a physical advantage of their position when gang rape occurs as it is conquest of multitudes over an individual.

Men who rape in groups might never commit rape alone. As they participate in gang rape, they experience a special bonding with each other, a unity of purpose that comes from the pride they feel in reducing their victim to nothing. Through the rape, they also prove their sexual ability to other group members and underscore their status. Often, the groupís leader is the first person to rape the victim with the underlings to follow. Sometimes two people will have consensual sex first and afterwards one party will invite others to take turns without the otherís consent.
To read more:
http://www.gmu.edu/depts/unilife/sas/definitions/types/gang.php
 

Mike H. (237)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 6:23 pm
This is horrible. Don't Muslims blame the victim when a rape occurs?
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 6:28 pm

It's a patriarchal world, Michael. Even here in the US, there is a recurring effort to blame the victims. In this video the discussion is about gang rapes that occurred during the recent protests.
 

Twyla Sparks (208)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 7:59 pm
horrible, it makes me sad and sick.
 

Billie C. (2)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 10:24 pm
the men are taught from an early age that women are nothing more than brood mares and they can do anything they want to them. muslims won't and don't want to change. they want the rest of us to change to be like them.
 

Inge Bjorkman (147)
Monday July 8, 2013, 12:22 am
Stop all rapes in the world, including the military, 71 rapes a day in the U.S.
Love
 

Colin Hope (243)
Monday July 8, 2013, 3:32 am
and I supposed the victim is blamed, again??
 

Alice C. (1797)
Monday July 8, 2013, 5:26 am
There is sexual violence right here in the USA
 

Lona Goudswaard (77)
Monday July 8, 2013, 5:34 am
Noted. These protesters were united in their fight for more democracy and a more secular government. If this is the way so many of the men among these protesters feel fit to act, laterally grabbing ANY opportunity to put women in their 'place', any new government doesn't bode well for women's rights and lives in Egypt.
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday July 8, 2013, 6:49 am

Yes, Alice there is sexual violence in the US and we do have laws that side with a victim over the perpetrator. I am simply saying that I agree with the women in this video. Egypt needs to finally address the rights and concerns of victims of sexual abuse and sexual attacks.
 

JL A. (276)
Monday July 8, 2013, 10:11 am
Adequately addressing this issue is something that could give the new government credibility and support by showing that they are listening to the people and will indeed change things in the ways the people need and want.
 

Esther Z. (96)
Monday July 8, 2013, 10:53 am
Kit, if "Socialization and teaching respect implies better education" then why do we have well educated men in the U.S. Congress passing policies and legislation that are utterly disrespectful to women? I've seen people, perceived as low income or less educated, behave in a very respectful manner than some Ivy League educated politician who sees nothing wrong with violating a woman's right to choose with some terribly disrespectful legislation. I know I'm going a bit off topic here, so my apologies in advance.
 

Suzanne B. (246)
Monday July 8, 2013, 11:26 am
Thank you for sharing this!
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday July 8, 2013, 9:07 pm

You do have a very good point, Esther and I don't believe that is off topic. If the only thing these men and women learn are the same superstitions and cruel beliefs of those who committed the atrocities, where then do we begin the cycles of change? If the only immediate education is that of knowing the law will deal with them in a quick and severe manner, that is better than no education.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Tuesday July 9, 2013, 5:32 am
Very sad, women are there standing up for ALL their rights, includes men, and this is the manner in which they are subjected while doing so. Is harder always to be woman, they face whatever may happen to all those who protest then they must be subjected to violence from the male protesters.

What the male said has been conditioned into many of the males over there and is the reason or excuse given to keep women in full coverings. That the male can't control himself so therefore the woman must be covered so as not to tempt him. That is bull crap, but that is what they are taught so that absolves them of responsibility of their actions. We still have some of that "mind thought" here in the USA, of she was dressed provocative or she shouldn't of been there. I recall the rape of the woman who was too drunk to know what was happening to her, how so many tried to place blame at her feet and not that the males took advantage of her when she is unable to protect herself.

Rape is a crime, I don't care if you are drunk, insane, naked, in a bathing suit or clothes covering you from the top of your head to your toes, it gives no right to attack someone and force themselves upon another. It seems these males only feel Democracy is for them, these women have this second battle to deal with. I hope once it all settles that strong women leadership is allowed to enter into the fold. Very intelligent and educated women on the film who were attacked, so I hope they gain footholds into the political process.
 

Gene Jacobson (255)
Tuesday July 9, 2013, 9:21 am
That little pr$ck who said "they push us to do this. By the way they dress, walk, everything." Should be in jail. It doesn't sound as if one can tell if this only Morsi supporters, the Brotherhood or if this is happening in the progressive and sectarian protests too. But what is common is that this is the plight of women, not only in the middle east, but wherever Sharia proponents are, the same thing happens in England, Germany, Norway or at least I've read stories, not this bad, but of the same sort of disrespect, the same blaming of the victims. It just makes this old man want to grab that young chit by the lapels and say NO, YOU control your behavior, this is NOT the fault of women or biology or anything but YOUR lack of moral character. Because that, in the end, is the truth. It is not the women at fault here, not in any way, and accepting that kind of statement only perpetuates the immoral and criminal behavior of these very sick men.
 

Bryna Pizzo (139)
Tuesday July 9, 2013, 11:15 am
Thank you for sharing the news. Sexual violence against women must be outlawed worldwide. Women must join together and rise up as one to combat violence against us. There is a worldwide war on women.
 

Melania Padilla (185)
Wednesday July 24, 2013, 11:44 am
So sick of this, women deserve so much better!!!
 
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